The Conservative Party (a REAL party)

[nate895]

Since the Libertarians and Constitutionalists are really constituencies of what should be a much broader coalition party. Neither of them have the slightest hope of gaining seats outside of a proportional system. If both of them could be combined with independent conservatives/libertarians/constitutionalists to fight for their shared beliefs, since they are all very similar, then they can really gain some traction. That is the problem with most third parties, they become so Gestapo-like in their enforcement of the platform, down to the letter, that they are unable to fight for what is really important. Another thing both parties lack is money. If a new party was able to get the majority of both parties aboard (which would probably kill the CP entirely), they could have two and a half million dollars at their disposal without much effort, as opposed to around two million for the LP, and three-quarters of a million for the CP. If they could then harness the power of the Ron Paul fund raising might, they'd have enough money to win a few seats in the House and Senate to give liberty a larger voice in DC.

We need at least three people per state to help in organization in the initial phase, one can serve as the temporary chairperson, and the other two can serve as temporary committeemen/women. As soon as we can get somewhat organized in enough states to both theoretically win the electoral college vote and win the majority in the House and Senate we can call our first convention (hopefully early next year) to organize the national party and form the national committee.

Post if you are willing to help, your state, and/or any opinions you might have.

Edit: New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts have Conservative Parties. In New Jersey it appear to be able to be taken over easily, and NEw York looks too hard with 40,000+ members, and I am unsure of Massachusetts.

State (EV)- number of necessary spots filled
people who have filled them

Alabama (9)-0/3
Alaska (3)-0/3
Arizona (10)-0/3
Arkansas (6)-0/3
California (55)-1/3
Kombayn
Colorado (9)-0/3
Connecticut (7)-0/3
Delaware (3)-0/3
District of Columbia (3)-0/3
Florida (27)-0/3
Georgia (15)-0/3
Hawaii (4)-0/3
Idaho (4)-0/3
Illinois (21)-0/3
Indiana (11)-0/3
Iowa (7)-0/3
Kansas (6)-0/3
Kentucky (8)-0/3
Louisiana (9)-0/3
Maine (4)-0/3
Maryland (10)-0/3
Massachusetts (12)-0/3
Michigan (17)-0/3
Minnesota (10)-1/3
gjvrieze
Mississippi (6)-0/3
Missouri (11)-0/3
Montana (3)-0/3
Nebraska (5)-0/3
Nevada (5)-0/3
New Hampshire (4)-0/3
New Jersey (15)-1/3
JosephTheLibertarian
New Mexico (5)-0/3
New York (31)-0/3
North Carolina (15)-0/3
North Dakota (3)-0/3
Ohio (20)-0/3
Oklahoma (7)-0/3
Oregon (7)-0/3
Pennsylvania (21)-0/3
Rhode Island (4)-0/3
South Carolina (8)-0/3
South Dakota (3)-0/3
Tennessee (11)-0/3
Texas (34)-0/3
Utah (5)-0/3
Vermont (3)-0/3
Virginia (13)-0/3
Washington (11)-2/3 (haven't spoken to any fellow Paulites as of yet outside the home)
West Virginia (5)-1/3
Gin
Wisconsin (10)-0/3
Wyoming (3)-0/3

 

[Flash]

Great idea! There has been the idea floating around to merge the Libertarian/Constitution party, I managed to find this site recently:
http://libertyparty.org/
You should probably contact these people too.

 

[nate895]

Great idea! There has been the idea floating around to merge the Libertarian/Constitution party, I managed to find this site recently:
http://libertyparty.org/
You should probably contact these people too.

They look good. The reason why I picked the "Conservative" Party though was that it would get several people from outside the current "liberty movement," such as the three million who supported Pat Buchanan in '92, and others who aren't inclined to vote for a "Liberty" Party without talking to them about it. Conservative party would get party affiliation simply from the name. Look at the American Independent Party in CA. There is no way they have that many subscribers to their beliefs in that state.

 

[RoamZero]

Why stop at just merging those two parties? Why not fold them in with the Republicans to help continue the fight to take back the GOP?

 

[nate895]

Why stop at just merging those two parties? Why not fold them in with the Republicans to help continue the fight to take back the GOP?

You guys can focus on that. This would include all disenfranchised conservatives, as long as they would sign a statement of principles for membership. Something like "I support the Constitution as a binding document and do not support any measure by the Federal beyond what is allowed by the Constitution of the United States."

 

[Captain America]

other countries have parties that band together to acomplish the goal of gaining a minority. i hope with all of the being that is what the BIG news is going to be later this week

 

[nate895]

other countries have parties that band together to acomplish the goal of gaining a minority. i hope with all of the being that is what the BIG news is going to be later this week

The difference is that most of those countries have either proportional systems (which I advocate here on a state-by-state basis) or they have really small constituencies for their national assemblies. UK Constituencies are about as large as a legislative district in my state.

 

[ChickenHawk]

Third party members tend to be uncompromising. It's their way or the highway. Anyone that disagrees with them are shills for the NWO and should be thrown in jail for treason. Not likely these kinds of people are going to get together and find common ground even if there is substantial amounts of it.

 

[nate895]

Third party members tend to be uncompromising. It's their way or the highway. Anyone that disagrees with them are shills for the NWO and should be thrown in jail for treason. Not likely these kinds of people are going to get together and find common ground even if there is substantial amounts of it.

The leaders might be uncompromising, but I believe most of the members would still be able to separate themselves from the party if they see a principled coalition party. I just want to experiment with it and see if we can get this thing together. I think if we can get to be a "major-minor" party by next Presidential Election, the LP and CP might unite behind it.

 

[kombayn]

I like the idea. You should talk to minor 3rd parties in states with ballot-access for the next election. Get affiliations too. The Conservative Party could become it's own Unity brand for LP/CP members to jump-ship. There are many options available if you look into it.

 

[Gin]

I think it's a great idea.... Count me in for WV.. It would give the true Conservatives a place to go.. I think it would pull from across the spectrum... especially after this current election being such a sham... no one wants either party really.. but alot of folks believe they don't have a choice... A Conservative Party would give them that choice.

 

[nate895]

I think it's a great idea.... Count me in for WV.. It would give the true Conservatives a place to go.. I think it would pull from across the spectrum... especially after this current election being such a sham... no one wants either party really.. but alot of folks believe they don't have a choice... A Conservative Party would give them that choice.

Thank you, and bump.

 

[nate895]

I like the idea. You should talk to minor 3rd parties in states with ballot-access for the next election. Get affiliations too. The Conservative Party could become it's own Unity brand for LP/CP members to jump-ship. There are many options available if you look into it.

We would talk to local/state affiliates of the LP and CP, as well as members as soon as we can get organized, and if we can prove that we can raise money and be more successful than they are.

 

[nate895]

bump

 

[kombayn]

We would talk to local/state affiliates of the LP and CP, as well as members as soon as we can get organized, and if we can prove that we can raise money and be more successful than they are.

That's awesome. I know the Constitution Party of Montana doesn't have an affiliate, neither does the Natural Law Party's in Michigan & Mississippi or the Louisiana Taxpayers Party and what about the Reform Party in Kansas or the other 3 Reform Party's? Plus, I'm sure the Independent Greens of Virginia Party would be interested, they'll do anything for press. You also have the American Independent Party in California who may break its allegiance to the Constitution Party as its national affiliate. Anyone know how to become an official National party? I would have to do more research but if you can get 20 affiliations to go with brand new Conservative Party, that I think would work out well. I don't see the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party merging together anytime soon, but I could see a lot of disenfranchised members of the Party's jumping-ship to a TRUE Conservative Party. You can also put me down as a delegate or whatever for the State of California.

 

[nate895]

That's awesome. I know the Constitution Party of Montana doesn't have an affiliate, neither does the Natural Law Party's in Michigan & Mississippi or the Louisiana Taxpayers Party and what about the Reform Party in Kansas or the other 3 Reform Party's? Plus, I'm sure the Independent Greens of Virginia Party would be interested, they'll do anything for press. You also have the American Independent Party in California who may break its allegiance to the Constitution Party as its national affiliate. Anyone know how to become an official National party? I would have to do more research but if you can get 20 affiliations to go with brand new Conservative Party, that I think would work out well. I don't see the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party merging together anytime soon, but I could see a lot of disenfranchised members of the Party's jumping-ship to a TRUE Conservative Party. You can also put me down as a delegate or whatever for the State of California.

In order to become a national party, a national party committee must hold a national convention and support several candidates in several states for House and Senate. In order to form a national party committee, you need to open a bank account in the committee's name, have a treasurer, and submit paperwork to the FEC. I was hoping that someone in the Virginia/Maryland/DC area could officially form the national committee because that would make it easier to hire consultants who know their shit and when we eventually get enough money to move in with the big boys at the Watergate Complex, we might get press coverage (especially if we pick up seats in Congress and a few Governor's mansions in 2010).

The Montana CP would be a good place to start. The Natural Law Party wouldn't go for it. I am not sure about the Reformers, but I think AIP would have at least a 50/50 shot at affiliation, but we couldn't count on them.

 

[kombayn]

In order to become a national party, a national party committee must hold a national convention and support several candidates in several states for House and Senate. In order to form a national party committee, you need to open a bank account in the committee's name, have a treasurer, and submit paperwork to the FEC. I was hoping that someone in the Virginia/Maryland/DC area could officially form the national committee because that would make it easier to hire consultants who know their shit and when we eventually get enough money to move in with the big boys at the Watergate Complex, we might get press coverage (especially if we pick up seats in Congress and a few Governor's mansions in 2010).

The Montana CP would be a good place to start. The Natural Law Party wouldn't go for it. I am not sure about the Reformers, but I think AIP would have at least a 50/50 shot at affiliation, but we couldn't count on them.

Yeah I figured as much about the Natural Law Party. Anyways, I got your PM and I'll start looking into starting the party. Hell I'll run under that banner for Mayor of my City. But I think affiliations are key to a National movement. We'll have to start discussing a platform. Maybe take the Boston Tea Party internet approach to building the party up.

 

[nate895]

Yeah I figured as much about the Natural Law Party. Anyways, I got your PM and I'll start looking into starting the party. Hell I'll run under that banner for Mayor of my City. But I think affiliations are key to a National movement. We'll have to start discussing a platform. Maybe take the Boston Tea Party internet approach to building the party up.

What we should do is form preliminary charters/platform/rules online and then get an official convention to gather and make everything official.

 

[nate895]

Bump

 

[nate895]

One last bump for the day