Terry Jones Is Not Responsible for the Murders of United Nations Workers.

[MelissaWV]

Jones is responsible for being an absolute douchebag. He's been a douchebag, unbeknownst to most of you, for many years. He and his douchebag church have said douchebag things for well over a decade, and they've run scam after scam, and tried desperately to make money out of having snazzy facial hair, zero tact, and a whole lot of brimstone-psychic-ability stuff. It's like the Westboro Baptist people, but with fewer followers and no balls (it does, even if you hate them, take a certain blend of balls and stupidity to act like the Westboro folks do). He has talked badly about groups that would overlap until just about everyone in this thread is included, really.

Did you have any idea?

Now, when all the media trucks suddenly showed up when he was going to have his "Burn a Koran Day" event, you knew. That didn't even happen. Now he burned it, and why do you know?

Everyone in this thread could be using a Koran as a seat cushion, and I have no idea. I would only become aware of it if someone felt the need to share. Certainly the Middle East would not become aware until the media ran with the story and sent it zipping around the world.

If these folks are only upset about this book burning, then what upset them last week, or the week before? What upset them 100 years ago, or 1,000? Extremist killers in the Middle East are nothing new. The area's culture and geography and economy blend together to make for a perpetually violent climate. You could move monks into the Middle East and in a few years... war again.

This is just the latest thing to get ticked about. It isn't special, it's just more publicized.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Sounds like a swell guy Melissa - must be nice having him as a neighbor

 

[MelissaWV]

Sounds like a swell guy Melissa - must be nice having him as a neighbor

Not quite a neighbor... just... down the street pretty much. Different neighborhood entirely.

His church is within the subdivision I grew up in Place looks really different now as a result of the kookiness. I really, really hate the signs.

 

[doodle]

How are people so damned sure that the recent uptick (if that's even true) in violence in Afghanistan is due to the Koran burning? Isn't it more likely that it's due to the release of the pictures of soldiers holding dead Afghani civilians by the hair, in pics celebrating their "kill?"

Showing Afghanis as murderous bastards who kill over a book burning sounds like a bunch of propaganda to me, especially given what's come out recently. Not saying it isn't possible, but it doesn't make much sense given all the horrible things being done to civilians. If I were Taliban and/or Al Qaeda, I doubt I could inspire folks to join me because the Koran was burned, but a picture of the local farmboy being killed/photographed like an animal? Uhhh, yeah--then you might get me to take up arms.

P.S. Lee Doren is a neocon douchebag who doesn't deserve the time of day.

Very astute observation.


Sarah Palin , Florida Pastor and other top US Church leaders had also strongly condemned those "kill team" killings also , unless I'm mistaken.

BTW, Karzai had called for arrest of Florida Pastor and condemned him just before the Afghan riots that led to attacks on UN offices began. Incidentally his cousin was killed in a botched NATO raid few days ago, he had called for foreign troops to leave Afghanistan afterwards.

It is remarkable that such violent protests are only taking place in democratic free Afghanistan and not in hundreds of other sharia ruled muslim countries where we are not spreading democracy, equality and freedom.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Not this time. But less than a year ago Afghanistan not the only place to riot because of Koran burning.

Indian forces killed 18 people and injured scores of others in the bloodiest day of violence in the troubled area of Kashmir.

Police were called in when thousands of rioters, chanting 'Down with Koran desecrators' and 'Down with America', attacked a Christian school in one town and buildings in other cities...

...Kashmiri officials also removed a state-run Iranian station from local cable networks that had been fanning the anger by repeatedly broadcasting reports of Koran burnings in the U.S.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ashmir-Koran-burning-riots.html#ixzz1IcSLbpcD

India controlled. Heard about it from Iranian news station. Burned down a Christian school.

Who do we blame for that one?

 

[doodle]

Not this time. But less than a year ago Afghanistan not the only place to riot because of Koran burning.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ashmir-Koran-burning-riots.html#ixzz1IcSLbpcD

India controlled. Heard about it from Iranian news station. Burned down a Christian school.

Who do we blame for that one?

Who did we blame when Condi Rice's Church and other Black churches used to be burnt down in US?

Therein lies part of the answer.

Environment, socio-religio-politico-cultural factors all play a role in evolution of violent behavior to this crude level where it becomes completely irrational. Why muslims in UAE didn't burn but built bigger Churches in recent years? Why muslims/christians in Palestine produce more suicide bombers per capita than other groups?

People in other countries are ahead or behind us be few decades in evolution of modern politically correct conduct in dealing with inner conflicts.

 

[South Park Fan]

Not this time. But less than a year ago Afghanistan not the only place to riot because of Koran burning.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ashmir-Koran-burning-riots.html#ixzz1IcSLbpcD

India controlled. Heard about it from Iranian news station. Burned down a Christian school.

Who do we blame for that one?

I'm not saying that Terry Jones didn't play a role, but it is highly likely that India's imperialistic administration of the predominantly Muslim Kashmir might have something to do with it.

 

[doodle]

Who did we blame when Condi Rice's Church and other Black churches used to be burnt down in US?

Therein lies part of the answer.

Environment, socio-religio-politico-cultural factors all play a role in evolution of violent behavior to this crude level where it becomes completely irrational. Why muslims in UAE didn't burn but built bigger Churches in recent years? Why muslims/christians in Palestine produce more suicide bombers per capita than other groups?

People in other countries are ahead or behind us be few decades in evolution of modern politically correct conduct in dealing with inner conflicts.

I stand corrected, I meant to ask reasons for bombing of Condi Rice's Church that killed her best friend, nor Churches burnt.

Rice honors little girls killed in Birmingham church bombing ...
Oct 23, 2005 ... 2005-10-23 04:00:00 PST Tuscaloosa, Ala. -- the Birmingham church bombing that killed four little girls and inflamed ...
articles.sfgate.com/.../17396916_1_birmingham-civil-rights-institute-church-bombing-state-

Blackterrel, I know you are not always in habit of engaging in a two way debate and answer questions posed but I'm curious how would you answer this question to get some idea of your thought procress.

If we are only 40 years ahead of Afghanistan - the global cave dwelling - we have ways to go.

 

[puppetmaster]

Anybody say "blowback"? Freedom of speach is fine but sometimes there are consequences. Even unintended ones.

This is blowback for blowback, all of this has been brought to a head by a very flawed foriegn policy

 

[EndDaFed]

He's clearly not a neocon.

He's a neocon. He was on Free Talk Live and talked about how he was for the wars. It also didn't help his credibility when he became a spokeshole for AEI a neocon think tank.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

If this idiot pastor is still alive in a month, I think we can all rest assured that the fear mongering about Islamic terror cells in the US has been "slightly" overblown...

 

[doodle]

He's clearly not a neocon.

Not all leftists who convert to conservatism are neocons but many are. If he not a neocon, he is mentally absent. Anyone who sees Israeli oppression and crimes against unarmed palestinians as "reasonable" is mentally unreaonable or a religious fanatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks2Jk0oViFU

 

[BlackTerrel]

Who did we blame when Condi Rice's Church and other Black churches used to be burnt down in US?

The people who burned the Churches.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I'm not saying that Terry Jones didn't play a role, but it is highly likely that India's imperialistic administration of the predominantly Muslim Kashmir might have something to do with it.

1. India oppresses predominately Muslim Kashmir.

2. Muslims in Kashmir attack and burn down a Christian school.

2 doesn't really follow 1.

 

[acptulsa]

Jones is responsible for being an absolute douchebag. He's been a douchebag, unbeknownst to most of you, for many years. He and his douchebag church have said douchebag things for well over a decade, and they've run scam after scam, and tried desperately to make money out of having snazzy facial hair, zero tact, and a whole lot of brimstone-psychic-ability stuff. It's like the Westboro Baptist people, but with fewer followers and no balls (it does, even if you hate them, take a certain blend of balls and stupidity to act like the Westboro folks do). He has talked badly about groups that would overlap until just about everyone in this thread is included, really.

If he didn't have the title of Baptist Minister, the amount of attention the media would pay to him is approximately zero. And he could burn all the copies of the book he could afford, without causing any problem whatsoever. Now, I don't know if the fact that people are fascinated with Pastors Behaving Badly justifies the press in pointing cameras at him or not. But I think that if we were ready for a voluntaryist civilization, these idiots would exist in a vacuum.

 

[Vessol]

How are people so damned sure that the recent uptick (if that's even true) in violence in Afghanistan is due to the Koran burning? Isn't it more likely that it's due to the release of the pictures of soldiers holding dead Afghani civilians by the hair, in pics celebrating their "kill?"

Showing Afghanis as murderous bastards who kill over a book burning sounds like a bunch of propaganda to me, especially given what's come out recently. Not saying it isn't possible, but it doesn't make much sense given all the horrible things being done to civilians. If I were Taliban and/or Al Qaeda, I doubt I could inspire folks to join me because the Koran was burned, but a picture of the local farmboy being killed/photographed like an animal? Uhhh, yeah--then you might get me to take up arms.

P.S. Lee Doren is a neocon douchebag who doesn't deserve the time of day.

This was my thoughts as well as I watched the protests. The media is trying its best to hide those pictures and videos from America. What would be the best way to report a protest over that then reporting it as a protest over a stupid koran being burned.

 

[doodle]

The people who burned the Churches.

2. Muslims in Kashmir attack and burn down a Christian school.

That is very interesting. In one case of violelnce, you are not stereo typing and do not use religious or racial identiy like "white christians" or "whites" to describe people who bombed a "black church".

In other case, you are stereo typing and using a religious identity and instead of saying "the people" who burnt the school, you are using the term "muslims".

Is this difference in stereo typing deliberate or instinctive?

Terms like "the muslims", "the jews" or "the arabs" are more common in places like mideast/Israel where a whole population segmenrs have been abused/conditioned to group think and you would see that mindset displayed by some muslims/jewish/mideasterners run sites even in America like wnd, CAIR,ynetnews, Drudge report, hotair etc but really should not be encouraged in America. Such group think often indicates a laerned group prejudice as a dfense mecahnsism.

 

[Vessol]

That is very interesting. In one case of violelnce, you are not stereo typing and do not use religious or racial identiy like "white christians" or "whites" to describe people who bombed a "black church".

In other case, you are stereo typing and using a religious identity and instead of saying "the people" who burnt the school, you are using the term "muslims".

Is this difference in stereo typing deliberate or instinctive?

Terms like "the muslims", "the jews" or "the arabs" are more common in places like mideast/Israel where a whole population segmenrs have been abused/conditioned to group think and you would see that mindset displayed by some muslims/jewish/mideasterners run sites even in America like wnd, CAIR,ynetnews, Drudge report, hotair etc but really should not be encouraged in America. Such group think often indicates a laerned group prejudice as a dfense mecahnsism.

Now you're just trolling and flame-baiting.

 

[doodle]

Can you be spacific, which part you find objectionable? There are few different thoughts in that post.

The part about some mideastern/minority run sites in America showing group think tendency?

 

[RyanRSheets]

The only person ever responsible for a murder is the murderer, but that doesn't mean Terry Jones didn't instigate. He was like a child swatting at a bee's nest. He didn't kill anyone, nor did he call for anyone to be killed, but he did strengthen the resolve of murderers. Putting some blame on him is appropriate, because he was warned what his actions would cause, and he did it anyhow. Burning books is a childish, stupid action. His way will never mend things.