Terry Jones Is Not Responsible for the Murders of United Nations Workers.

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Any attempt to blame this irrational violent outburst on a man committing a non-violent act of protest in my opinion is an attempt in my opinion to obfuscate the fact that these UN Workers would have never been killed in the first place if there was no War in Afghanistan to start. There is no justifying a non-violent act of self expression with an act of violent aggression. The people at fault are the leaders who put our men their in the first place and the rabid backwards afghan mob who committed a heinous act of murder.
 
Pastor Jones:
"We don't feel responsible for that. Of course, that is what they used. Of course that is very obvious and they're actually saying that. But of course Islam, and as we see their history, I believe they will use any excuse and if they don't have an excuse, they will simply use the excuse that America is in Afghanistan, America is involved in Islamic countries and they should get out."
 
The Tehran Times disagrees.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=237877

So you see, when the U.S. government wants to act in a swift, unconstitutionally and in a vengeful way nothing can stop it. Ergo torture, water boarding and rendition as seen in the War on Terror.

The truth is Bradley Manning’s actions have not cost anyone their life but, someone whose actions have triggered a killing spree of mayhem and murder is the American Pastor Terry Jones.

His inexplicable act of burning a copy of the Holy Qur’an has caused a tsunami of revolt among ordinary Afghan people, and with the striking of a single match he has undoubtedly put the life of every U.S. squaddie based over there in danger.

Sadly, I suspect what is unfolding in Afghanistan will be repeated in other sporadic outbreaks of violence in the Muslim world.

Yet no one lifted a single finger to stop this deranged, evil old man from setting fire to a holy book revered by more than a billion Muslims ... a book, by the way that is also hugely respected by countless Christians, Jews and people of other faiths and no faiths.

Now I’m sure some will claim that what he did was an expression of freedom and that he had every right to act in the way he did because America is the “Land of the Free” after all.

If that is the case can someone tell me why U.S. authorities are very quick to act against those who dare to criticize Israel for instance? The University of California at Irvine suspended its Muslim Student Union for a year when members heckled Israel’s Ambassador to the U.S. in February 2010.

Other students and teachers elsewhere in the U.S. have been punished, sacked or suspended for expressing anti-Israeli views or criticisms of the Zionist State.
In fact, if you are too vocal about the evils of Zionism or voice your support for the Palestinians in the west Bank or Gaza, you can expect a home visit from FBI agents.

So if U.S. authorities can jail Bradley Manning and punish him in an obscene way even before his trial, and they can sack, suspend and intimidate U.S. citizens for daring to criticize the Zionist State why did no one act swiftly to rein in the demented pastor?
 
In fact, if you are too vocal about the evils of Zionism or voice your support for the Palestinians in the west Bank or Gaza, you can expect a home visit from FBI agents.

Really?
Great article by the way...the pastor may be morally responsible but he's not legally responsible.
 
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Anybody say "blowback"? Freedom of speach is fine but sometimes there are consequences. Even unintended ones.
 
I'm not saying that what this "pastor" did should be illegal, but he's a ****ing idiot.

I blame the media for giving ANY attention to this guy. As such I will change the channel, or not click any stories related to him.
 
I'm not saying that what this "pastor" did should be illegal, but he's a ****ing idiot.

I blame the media for giving ANY attention to this guy. As such I will change the channel, or not click any stories related to him.

The media giving coverage to this pastor should be considered a threat to national security (sarcasm).
 
How are people so damned sure that the recent uptick (if that's even true) in violence in Afghanistan is due to the Koran burning? Isn't it more likely that it's due to the release of the pictures of soldiers holding dead Afghani civilians by the hair, in pics celebrating their "kill?"

Showing Afghanis as murderous bastards who kill over a book burning sounds like a bunch of propaganda to me, especially given what's come out recently. Not saying it isn't possible, but it doesn't make much sense given all the horrible things being done to civilians. If I were Taliban and/or Al Qaeda, I doubt I could inspire folks to join me because the Koran was burned, but a picture of the local farmboy being killed/photographed like an animal? Uhhh, yeah--then you might get me to take up arms.

P.S. Lee Doren is a neocon douchebag who doesn't deserve the time of day.
 
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Showing Afghanis as murderous bastards who kill over a book burning sounds like a bunch of propaganda to me, especially given what's come out recently. Not saying it isn't possible, but it doesn't make much sense given all the horrible things being done to civilians. If I were Taliban and/or Al Qaeda, I doubt I could inspire folks to join me because the Koran was burned, but a picture of the local farmboy being killed/photographed like an animal? Uhhh, yeah--then you might get me to take up arms.

It's a fallacy to think that everyone the world over is inspired and upset over the same things that you are.

If you don't think there are some Muslims who are upset at their holy book being burned or their prophet being portrayed in cartoon you are being extremely naive.
 
Really?
Great article by the way...the pastor may be morally responsible but he's not legally responsible.

You really thought so?

I actually posted it as an example of the mentality that I dislike:

Yet no one lifted a single finger to stop this deranged, evil old man from setting fire to a holy book revered by more than a billion Muslims ... a book, by the way that is also hugely respected by countless Christians, Jews and people of other faiths and no faiths.

Now I’m sure some will claim that what he did was an expression of freedom and that he had every right to act in the way he did because America is the “Land of the Free” after all.


The article is making the argument that the government should curtail this guys free speech and expression.
 
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It's a fallacy to think that everyone the world over is inspired and upset over the same things that you are.

If you don't think there are some Muslims who are upset at their holy book being burned or their prophet being portrayed in cartoon you are being extremely naive.

Yeah, no shit. But to think that the photos of civilians being killed would not be used by the Taliban/Al Qaeda to recruit is frakking stupid (and rather naive).
 
Maybe they have two recruiting methods.

Maybe...but why the focus on this wingnut in Florida when it's pretty obvious that there's a really huge, actual problem in our alleged push to win "hearts and minds?"

Perhaps because the media is complicit? Perhaps because it's more convenient to claim that the evil Muslims get all killy over a book burning than US troops killing children and civilians like wild game?
 
Perhaps it is because the people who attacked the UN compound said that what got them so upset was the Koran burning.
 
Any attempt to blame this irrational violent outburst on a man committing a non-violent act of protest in my opinion is an attempt in my opinion to obfuscate the fact that these UN Workers would have never been killed in the first place if there was no War in Afghanistan to start. There is no justifying a non-violent act of self expression with an act of violent aggression. The people at fault are the leaders who put our men their in the first place and the rabid backwards afghan mob who committed a heinous act of murder.

Correct. I expressed the same view several days ago. Jones' act was a silly publicity stunt.
 
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Maybe...but why the focus on this wingnut in Florida when it's pretty obvious that there's a really huge, actual problem in our alleged push to win "hearts and minds?"

Perhaps because the media is complicit?

Perhaps. But then you'd have to say that Iranian and other media in Arab and Muslim countries is complicit as well. Seems like a stretch.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=237877

Perhaps because it's more convenient to claim that the evil Muslims get all killy over a book burning than US troops killing children and civilians like wild game?

Calm down the rhetoric a bit. You're quick to jump to the defense of these guys murdering UN workers but have no problem saying US troops kill children for sport.

I am critical of US government policy as well.
 
How are people so damned sure that the recent uptick (if that's even true) in violence in Afghanistan is due to the Koran burning? Isn't it more likely that it's due to the release of the pictures of soldiers holding dead Afghani civilians by the hair, in pics celebrating their "kill?"

Showing Afghanis as murderous bastards who kill over a book burning sounds like a bunch of propaganda to me, especially given what's come out recently. Not saying it isn't possible, but it doesn't make much sense given all the horrible things being done to civilians. If I were Taliban and/or Al Qaeda, I doubt I could inspire folks to join me because the Koran was burned, but a picture of the local farmboy being killed/photographed like an animal? Uhhh, yeah--then you might get me to take up arms.

P.S. Lee Doren is a neocon douchebag who doesn't deserve the time of day.

He's clearly not a neocon.
 
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