Taking things from white people

[TheTexan]

And if you're worried at getting shot at the other places I mentioned I just have to ask what are you doing there?

Point is, the overall picture doesn't change because you are only interested in "places you visit".

The only place I visit is Taco Bell and as far as I know there's never been a mass shooting there so I think I'm OK.

(But if there has been a mass shooting at a taco bell I bet it was black people)

 

[jmdrake]

Point is, the overall picture doesn't change because you are only interested in "places you visit".

The only place I visit is Taco Bell and as far as I know there's never been a mass shooting there so I think I'm OK.

(But if there has been a mass shooting at a taco bell I bet it was black people)

Do you go to Waffle House? A white person did a mass shooting of black people there until a black man disarmed him.

See: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/04/1078430544/waffle-house-shooter-found-guilty-on-4-counts-of-murder

The shooter:

The hero:

The victims:

One of the victims looks like he might have been white or hispanic.

 

[jmdrake]

Well, sure, but that was not the discussion taking place.

The questions were, as I understood it, are bump stocks and Glock switches similar items, and why is one banned and the other not, and why is AL trying to "double ban" them, if already banned by the feds?

I thought they were, and it turned out I was wrong, while a bump stock or "Hell Fire" device works on a closed sear system to simply cycle the action and trigger pulls faster than what you normally could, a Glock switch does not. It mechanically lifts the trigger bar and holds it up and out of the way so that the weapon fires in a true full auto fashion, i.e. it fires continuously as long as you depress the trigger.

Which is, of course the ATF's definition of a "machine gun". And that is the only distinction between a semi and full auto on the books.

+rep! That is seriously the best explanation I've seen on the difference between the two. If I ever get a gun case you're my go to expert witness. (Seriously). All I know about the subject I learned from Colin Noir and Brandon Herrera. (Let's go Brandon! Hopefully he'll run again for congress and win next time.)

 

[TheTexan]

Do you go to Waffle House?

Nope, I do not. Therefore the rest of your post has no relevance to me

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838206578907807921

 

[Anti Federalist]

+rep! That is seriously the best explanation I've seen on the difference between the two. If I ever get a gun case you're my go to expert witness. (Seriously). All I know about the subject I learned from Colin Noir and Brandon Herrera. (Let's go Brandon! Hopefully he'll run again for congress and win next time.)

Glad to be of service, I learned something myself.

 

[TheCount]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838206578907807921

Strange how they missed the other "ghetto airstrike" with 11 victims.


Oh, right, the drunk driver of that car was white.

 

[TheCount]

Are on-topic posts allowed in this thread?

 

[Anti Federalist]

fake news tweet

Happily deleted my reference to that post.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1837899544719180095

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1838239693839773757

I don't know lady...why not ask these guys:

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[jmdrake]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1837899544719180095

Birmingham is short 300 police with a current force of 912. That means Birmingham is missing 1 in 4 police officers.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/...-violent-crime-surges-what-is-being-done.html

From what I've heard there weren't any officers in Five Points South then the latest shooting happened. Compare that to Nashville with all of the cops on Lower Broadway on any given weekend night. And...they're adding even more cops.





Contrast that with the mayor of Birmingham talking about banning (already illegal) Glock switches and (not used in the shooting) assault rifles and attacking permitless carry.



It's not like there's a shortage of black people in Nashville but Nashville is MUCH safer.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Contrast that with the mayor of Birmingham talking about banning (already illegal) Glock switches and (not used in the shooting) assault rifles and attacking permitless carry.

You know I'm no friend of cops, but, if you are going to have them, then let them be cops and vigorously patrol for and arrest violent criminals.

Having cops that are working under weak, woke, white, women's rules (And we both know who pull their strings), is the very worst of both situations.

 

[jmdrake]

You know I'm no friend of cops, but, if you are going to have them, then let them be cops and vigorously patrol for and arrest violent criminals.

Having cops that are working under weak, woke, white, women's rules (And we both know who pull their strings), is the very worst of both situations.

I'm curious why, based on the scenario (a mass shooting in an entertainment district with no cops present) you believe the issue to be lack of vigorous enforcement as opposed to lack of police presense at all? In every jurisdiction with the possible exception of Uvalde Texas, cops are certainly allowed to use deadly force to stop and active shooter or to apprehend a murder suspect. Do remember the Tamir Rice shooting? Black kid with BB gun that was shot by the cops? The cops were never prosecuted. And to be honest I black the 911 operator (who happens to be a black woman) more than the cops because even though the (white female?) civilian who called it in said he possibly had a toy but she wasn't sure, the 911 operator reported it as an "active shooter." And...the cops weren't charged.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of cops either, but in large cities they seem to be a necessary evil. And, I could be wrong, but I think their visible presense sometimes (not always) determs some crime.Also it seems the mayor wants rules that allow "vigorous patrol" of peoiple carrying guns without express government permission.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm curious why, based on the scenario (a mass shooting in an entertainment district with no cops present) you believe the issue to be lack of vigorous enforcement as opposed to lack of police presense at all?

I'm trying to find one of the clips, there was a shooting at some street fight, I think it was in Philly, and they shot four people with the cops right there, in full view.

Presence of cops alone, no longer deters.

At least, not much.

ETA - Here it is.

https://x.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1837616844074537172

No deterrence effect.

https://x.com/i/status/1836581354558878141

No deterrence effect.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838617676924530838

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838625315196711383

 

[jmdrake]

I'm trying to find one of the clips, there was a shooting at some street fight, I think it was in Philly, and they shot four people with the cops right there, in full view.

Presence of cops alone, no longer deters.

At least, not much.

ETA - Here it is.

https://x.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1837616844074537172

No deterrence effect.

https://x.com/i/status/1836581354558878141

No deterrence effect.

Meh. Apples and oranges. When you already have a full blown riot going on a handful of cops aren't going to make a difference. In each of your videos there are about 20 people engaging in wanton lawlessness. That's harder to deal with using the right amount of force than dealing with a small hit squad. For comparison...Ireland riots.



When you have multiple seemingly unaarmed people milling around acting lawless you don't have cart blanche to open fire. Even if you as an officer "get away" with it there are still long term political repercussions. For instance the Ashley Babbit wrongful death lawsuit is still going on. "Oh but she was unarmed" you say. So are most of the people in the video th posted. And as a handful of police keep their eyes on the unarmed riotrs, some armed thugs can get some shots off unnoticed. What recently happened in Birmingham doesn't at all sound like that. It sounds like what was a peaceful night where some thugs got out of thier car, made a hit and drove off. Kind of like this:



Edit: This probably won't embed but you can click through and watch it again for the hundreth time. Notice the handful of police at the door didn't deter members of the crowd from punching the glass. But had a full SWAT contingent been there they most likely would have backed off.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Notice the handful of police at the door didn't deter members of the crowd from punching the glass. But had a full SWAT contingent been there they most likely would have backed off.

Well, I'm not going to argue the point, I'll cede your point that having just plain beat cops patrolling would reduce crime.

But by your own words they also have to play the role of hard ass as well.

Again, assuming society must have them, and if you must have them they should perform the job as required.

My ideal "high trust" society would have almost no need for them at all.