Swiss vote to ban construction of minarets on mosques

[constituent]

For once i am going to side with Switzerland on this one

you guys who are defending it like that idiotic human rights group have no clue on whats really happening in Europe the so called minarets on mosques have speakers towers or just speakers on them each morning the prayer comes on, atleast thats how life is in the new Bosnia everywhere you go to in bosnia there are.


minarets with speakers, some people even some Muslims are getting tried of it that thing is loud, dont attack Switzerland.


If Muslims want build the minarets they can do it in there own homelands cant they?
i mean your homelands sure have more land values, then america or eupore for that matter, no offence but i dont want the

minarets in eupore.



if you want exercise your religion that's fine, but its not fine by building minarets say where have you seen a church been built in some Arab countries?

for those who are defending the actions taken by the people of switzerland remember to think before you say something, oh and dont say to me that Israel has churchs i dont count israel i only meant arab countries.


Maybe you could find me if they allow us to built churchs in there homelands no?

and also bushviking thats not censorship of people's rights.


Another thing switzerland has mosques this has nothing to do with mosques but the thing between the mosque.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/220089848_0c84556887.jpg
http://www.mosque.ch/uploads/images/Moasasah.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/2855980470_9b3dd5bba3.jpg
speaker on minaret…

^ thats what the ban is all out about.

I agree with you.

While we're at it, we should ban the construction of bell towers.

But in the meanwhile, if not bell towers altogether, we should pass noise ordinances or something banning those obnoxious church bells (in the morning at the very least).

 

[Pericles]

I'm not surprised by the outcome, but I've lived in Switzerland for over 10 years.

The Swiss are proud of their land and its traditions. They are fine with those who come to Switzerland and integrate themselves into the Swiss way of life. Those who don;t adapt find a society that will not be friendly. Since the mid '80s the Muslim population in Switzerland has gone from insignificant to just under 5% of the population, with the concentration around the larger cities.

As best put by a prof at the University of St. Gallen, "the Swiss are either totally cosmopolitan or totally provencial". The SVP (Swiss People's Party) feed the fear that immigration depresses the wages and standard of living for the native Swiss citizens, and are now the largest party with over 25% of the vote. The rest of the population consider the SVP the uneducated xenophobes, but getting the SVP propaganda in my mailbox ("The truth about foreigners") with a obvious non-Swiss name on my mailbox probably shows they think I don't speak the language.

Gstaad is the most extreme example in architecture - no structure can be built unless the design is of an approved style of architecture. The joke in Switzerland is that everything that is not prohibited is required.

Politically, Swiss citizens have rights, foreigners are guests, and your rights depend on the type of residence permit you have. OTOH, it was a lot easier for me to have ownership of an automatic weapon in Switzerland than in the USA.

 

[prmd142]

The Swiss are proud of their land and its traditions. They are fine with those who come to Switzerland and integrate themselves into the Swiss way of life. Those who don;t adapt find a society that will not be friendly. Since the mid '80s the Muslim population in Switzerland has gone from insignificant to just under 5% of the population, with the concentration around the larger cities.

+1

 

[torchbearer]

I agree with you.

While we're at it, we should ban the construction of bell towers.

But in the meanwhile, if not bell towers altogether, we should pass noise ordinances or something banning those obnoxious church bells (in the morning at the very least).

amen.

 

[klamath]

For once i am going to side with Switzerland on this one

you guys who are defending it like that idiotic human rights group have no clue on whats really happening in Europe the so called minarets on mosques have speakers towers or just speakers on them each morning the prayer comes on, atleast thats how life is in the new Bosnia everywhere you go to in bosnia there are.


minarets with speakers, some people even some Muslims are getting tried of it that thing is loud, dont attack Switzerland.


If Muslims want build the minarets they can do it in there own homelands cant they?
i mean your homelands sure have more land values, then america or eupore for that matter, no offence but i dont want the

minarets in eupore.



if you want exercise your religion that's fine, but its not fine by building minarets say where have you seen a church been built in some Arab countries?

for those who are defending the actions taken by the people of switzerland remember to think before you say something, oh and dont say to me that Israel has churchs i dont count israel i only meant arab countries.


Maybe you could find me if they allow us to built churchs in there homelands no?

and also bushviking thats not censorship of people's rights.


Another thing switzerland has mosques this has nothing to do with mosques but the thing between the mosque.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/57/220089848_0c84556887.jpg
http://www.mosque.ch/uploads/images/Moasasah.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/2855980470_9b3dd5bba3.jpg
speaker on minaret…

^ thats what the ban is all out about.

I am not defending the Swiss vote but I have to back you up on the Bosnia thing. The call to prayers goes on for hours and is quite audible from a mile and a half away in Bosnia but as others have pointed out so do church bells in other countries.

 

[klamath]

The call to prayer is already banned in Switzerland. What's next after this? Too many mosques in Switzerland ban them too? Anyways you are incorrect about the call to prayer anyways it is annoying I do agree but it sometimes is beautiful when not awoken up to and only is about 5 minutes long 5 times a day.

Did I say I defended it????

 

[Fozz]

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[Reason]

Switzerland Votes to Ban Construction of Minarets

Swiss voters have overwhelmingly approved a referendum banning the construction of minarets on Muslim places of worship.The referendum was sponsored by two right-wing parties. Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets. A campaign poster in support of the ban depicted a woman in a burqa in front of a row of minarets shaped like missiles.Oxford University professor Tariq Ramadan, who is a Swiss citizen, said “The Swiss majority are sending a clear message to their Muslim fellow citizens: we do not trust you and the best Muslim for us is the Muslim we cannot see.” Amnesty International said the vote to ban minarets violated freedom of religion and would probably be overturned by the Swiss supreme court or the European Court of Human Rights.

 

[torchbearer]

Wow are you kidding me? You have never been there and cannot talk about something you don't know, I've been to Arab countries and they have some of the most magnificent beautiful Christian churches, they are allowed to practice come to prayer on Sundays and celebrate the holidays. I take offense to that merely because I've been there and entered some of the most beautiful churches in Arab countries. Don't make a blatant statement on something you have NO idea on.

it must be frustrating to interact with so many christians.
personally- i don't see anything tolerant about religion.
once it becomes a formal institution- it takes on the ills of men in power.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The call to prayer is already banned in Switzerland. What's next after this? Too many mosques in Switzerland ban them too? Anyways you are incorrect about the call to prayer anyways it is annoying I do agree but it sometimes is beautiful when not awoken up to and only is about 5 minutes long 5 times a day.

Twenty-five minutes a day is pretty long though, Abraham.

 

[Liberty Star]

BBC news today has interesting old news linked to this one. Some on Left had been getting ahead of themselves in linking rise of Blocher to rise of Hitler but this is an interesting phenomenon:


Quote:

TOP EUROPE STORIES

Demjanjuk tried for Nazi crimes

Leaders condemn Swiss minaret ban

Profile: Christoph Blocher

Atom-smasher sets energy record




Monday, 15 October 2007 16:42 UK

Profile: Christoph Blocher

The sedate reputation of Swiss politics has been shattered single-handedly by Christoph Blocher.

Blocher has a reputation as a fiery orator

The billionaire industrialist's right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP) is expected to win the most votes in elections on 21 October, rounding off a campaign that the United Nations described as blatantly racist.

The party has depicted Switzerland as a society under siege from immigrants who have scant regard for the country's laws and customs.

Many voters appear to be impressed by the skilled oratory of Mr Blocher, 67, seeing him as the epitome of a stern leader stepping forward to safeguard Swiss values.

Mr Blocher, currently justice minister, was quick to make political capital out of rioting that erupted at an SVP election rally in Bern. Left-wing protesters clashed with police, adding to the unusually edgy atmosphere of this Swiss election.

"It's obvious that the biggest party in Switzerland can no longer go to the federal square," Mr Blocher told a cheering crowd of supporters.

Consensus challenged


The SVP is currently pushing for a law that would give authorities the power to expel entire families of immigrants if one member is found guilty of a violent crime or of an offence such as drug dealing or benefit fraud.

A poster linked to the campaign, featuring three white sheep ganging up on a black sheep, was condemned as racist by opposition groups and the UN.

Although he insisted he was not racist, Mr Blocher did begin to attract extreme right-wing support.

He was described at the time by left-wing journalist Jean Martin Butner as "the guy who just has the match and isn't there when the fire breaks out".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3206778.stm



This is very odd:

The SVP is currently pushing for a law that would give authorities the power to expel entire families of immigrants if one member is found guilty of a violent crime or of an offence such as drug dealing or benefit fraud.

This is the kind of collective punishment mentality that earned Israel label of an apartheid, you can't punish whole family for actions of one family member, one can see where the racist label for this Swiss SVP party is coming from.

 

[Dieseler]

You didn't understand my post, the call to prayer is already banned.

Its about the integrity of a mosque, are they going to target the dome structure on top of a mosque as well?

It's probably just an extra precaution.
They are only banning the boom boom towers.
That is where all the (should be also) banned noise comes from right?

I hate unsolicited noise when it makes it though my walls.
It makes me mad as Hell.
Furious.

 

[jmdrake]

Hey Fozz i would buy you a ticket to bosnia but cant, due to crisis.
so you can see some with the speakers


The minarets are there for architectural design---that is it.
really? lol just wait when you visit bosnia

Ummm....Fozz said there weren't speakers on the minarets IN SWITZERLAND! So what good would seeing minarets in Bosnia do? It's not like minarets are required to have speakers. I'm pretty certain there were minarets on mosques long before there was electricity. As someone else said, if you don't like the calls to prayer, simply ban outdoor speakers on buildings period.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[Freedom 4 all]

What a blatant censorship of people's rights. Switzerland wasn't on the radar of the more extreme Islamic groups, but I would guess they are now. What a sad and unnecessary action on the behalf of this government.

Not that I'm defending this but if I was an Islamic etremist Switzerland would be WAAAYY at the bottom of my list. What do you think they care about more, minarets or people invading their countries?

 

[Fozz]

Twenty-five minutes a day is pretty long though, Abraham.

In non-Muslim countries it is not done loud enough to be heard outside the mosque. This was a bigoted and despicable decision, and it sets the precedent for greater persecution of Swiss Muslims.

 

[Fozz]

Ummm....Fozz said there weren't speakers on the minarets IN SWITZERLAND! So what good would seeing minarets in Bosnia do? It's not like minarets are required to have speakers. I'm pretty certain there were minarets on mosques long before there was electricity. As someone else said, if you don't like the calls to prayer, simply ban outdoor speakers on buildings period.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Thank you.

 

[Fozz]

Not that I'm defending this but if I was an Islamic etremist Switzerland would be WAAAYY at the bottom of my list. What do you think they care about more, minarets or people invading their countries?

I think a lot of Muslims will boycott Switzerland due to this decision.

 

[Dieseler]

Ummm....Fozz said there weren't speakers on the minarets IN SWITZERLAND! So what good would seeing minarets in Bosnia do? It's not like minarets are required to have speakers. I'm pretty certain there were minarets on mosques long before there was electricity. As someone else said, if you don't like the calls to prayer, simply ban outdoor speakers on buildings period.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Yet!
Now there likely will not be.
Go Swiss!

 

[Fozz]

Yet!
Now there likely will not be.
Go Swiss!

You are an ignorant frother. You choose to oppress Muslims under the made-up and idiotic scenario that they will force Sharia law on the country.

FYI, most MUSLIM countries do not have Sharia law. Pakistan does not have Sharia law, and neither do Egypt, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Morocco, India (which has a large Muslim minority), and Turkey, among many others.

 

[Fozz]

If there are that many RP supporters who support this type of persecution, then I fear the future of this movement.