Suggestions for RPF.com

[Sal Collaziano]

The forums CAN be organized better. I'm not saying your wrong.. We just all need to chip in on suggestions and not leave the forum for good because it's not done "our way".

 

[Dustancostine]

The forums were working great. A lot of cooperation and general good will.

Foo Fighter makes point.

All hell breaks loose, forums go down the drain. Regulars and contributors are leaving.

Why? No one has given a good reason for that.

I'm not trying to brag, but this is what I have been able to contribute to the people working on this forum.

I found out about and contributed $90 to adopt an iowan

I gave about $90-120 to Lord Xar's media projects

I gave $30 to Razmear for the Mosaic Software

I gave $10 to Sementary for the Liberty Ralley

I learned about the Granny Warriors and gave them $30 to get to Iowa.

Plus learned a ton and hopefully helped educate a ton as well. Contributed to ideas and received wisdom.

How many more people like my self are contemplating leaving? How is this productive for "organizations" sake.

--Dustan

 

[ghemminger]

The forums were working great. A lot of cooperation and general good will.

Foo Fighter makes point.

All hell breaks loose, forums go down the drain. Regulars and contributors are leaving.

Why? No one has given a good reason for that.

I'm not trying to brag, but this is what I have been able to contribute to the people working on this forum.

I found out about and contributed $90 to adopt an iowan

I gave about $90-120 to Lord Xar's media projects

I gave $30 to Razmear for the Mosaic Software

I gave $10 to Sementary for the Liberty Ralley

I learned about the Granny Warriors and gave them $30 to get to Iowa.

Plus learned a ton and hopefully helped educate a ton as well. Contributed to ideas and received wisdom.

How many more people like my self are contemplating leaving? How is this productive for "organizations" sake.

--Dustan

Hey where's the new forum going to be??

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The forums were working great. A lot of cooperation and general good will.

Foo Fighter makes point.

All hell breaks loose, forums go down the drain. Regulars and contributors are leaving.

Why? No one has given a good reason for that.

I'm not trying to brag, but this is what I have been able to contribute to the people working on this forum.

I found out about and contributed $90 to adopt an iowan

I gave about $90-120 to Lord Xar's media projects

I gave $30 to Razmear for the Mosaic Software

I gave $10 to Sementary for the Liberty Ralley

I learned about the Granny Warriors and gave them $30 to get to Iowa.

Plus learned a ton and hopefully helped educate a ton as well. Contributed to ideas and received wisdom.

How many more people like my self are contemplating leaving? How is this productive for "organizations" sake.

--Dustan

I commend your efforts!! I do.. But for what real reason are you contemplating leaving? It's change... Just change.. Go with it instead of against it. It's really not that big of a deal. Instead of leaving, suggest how you feel things should be done. At the very least, the team (moderators, admins) should take your advice and somehow incorporate it into the big picture. And not only your advice, but others who care as well..

 

[wbbgjr]

I commend your efforts!! I do.. But for what real reason are you contemplating leaving? It's change... Just change.. Go with it instead of against it. It's really not that big of a deal. Instead of leaving, suggest how you feel things should be done. At the very least, the team (moderators, admins) should take your advice and somehow incorporate it into the big picture. And not only your advice, but others who care as well..

It's not the changes people are mad at.

at least that's not what im annoyed at..

I'm annoyed because in some of the posts that I have seen, the moderators were egging on people to leave. Maybe they were joking, but the other person was not. It comes off as arrogance and makes people think they aren't appreciated...

yes that's childish, but that's human nature. we all want to be appreciated and do not like it when people tell us to go ahead and leave and that we will easily be replaced.

And because of this some good people are leaving.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

That should not happen... Maybe some people did leave because of this.. Mistakes are made all the time. You just have to do your best to not make the same mistakes twice...

 

[jjschless]

Much ado about nothing.

As far as the forums: Less is more.

I think it is best if Josh or Bryan does any future moving. I think if Josh or Bryan had moved the posts this argument would not be occurring. People would have asked whats up, Josh would have answered and people would have accepted the admin's actions more readily. Or even a simple post or PM to each person stating that moves were going to occur, we are nearly all adults here and such considerations tend to prevent these outbursts.

The fact remains that some members take issue with Foo for whatever reason. Frankly I don't care what the reason is; truth be told people need to let the petty grievances expire as quickly as they arise.

We are not here to fight each other, we are here to fight for Dr. Paul and our future.



The HATE against the Truthers and the HATE against the Anti-Truthers needs to end, post haste. Debate is healthy but I have seen quite a few posts where disagreement turns to vitriol. This is unacceptable in a positive purpose forum such as this one.

I posted a thread a while ago when we first got this forum going explaining the dangers of the unrestrained passions we liberty minded folk have. We need to once again take a step back and let the situation cool.



I leave you with a post from a different site I made:

... you will go on fighting your brothers and sisters while a madman rapes your precious liberties and gives you the bill.

Is that the way the story ends?

 

[foofighter20x]

It's not the changes people are mad at.

at least that's not what im annoyed at..

I'm annoyed because in some of the posts that I have seen, the moderators were egging on people to leave. Maybe they were joking, but the other person was not. It comes off as arrogance and makes people think they aren't appreciated...

yes that's childish, but that's human nature. we all want to be appreciated and do not like it when people tell us to go ahead and leave and that we will easily be replaced.

And because of this some good people are leaving.

Where? Point to them. Link to them. I don't know if you mean me, but I never told anyone they should leave. We may have our disagreements here, but I don't want anything to leave. Why? Because I'd rather see them here being politically active for Dr Paul than sitting it out at home.

Who and where did any mod ask anyone to leave?

 

[Dustancostine]

It is not necessarily the change. It was the way that it was done and the reason it was done.

First of all the forums worked great. No one can argue with that, look what has been accomplished.

Then Foo decides to get anal with organization. So he starts tossing other people's threads around like they were meaningless. When someone post a thread its becomes part of them, they feel like they own it, they place it in a certain place for a reason and have some kind of desire of the type of response that they are looking for. Whether that response is information, donations, camaraderie, or just an exchange of ideas. Then comes along a power hungry mod and they take that post and moves it to another section without the posters input. This makes the poster feel like they got stepped on. Like they have no control over their ideas and where they want them to be. If you post something in a section with 100 people, and it gets moved to a section with 2 people, that is going to hurt your feelings, because when you expressed the idea it was meant for an audience of 100 not 2. And when posters feel like they have no control over their own post, they quit posting.

When ever I post something I don't want to have to consider for a hour, where to post it and where it will eventually end up. What is the point in posting something if it is going to be forcefully moved to an irrelevant area. I mine as well put my energy elsewhere.

Also this power grab has destroyed the board for today. This was also upsetting.

And lastly, the people that have been here for a while feel very close in sense that you can over the internet. But Foo without warning and without consultation from anyone else went on a rampage and blind sided everyone. So people who contribute a lot to this board are going to feel hurt that they weren't considered or warned.

Also this is change for the worse. Ask why this board has been successful and others haven't. What was the main difference between ronpaulforums and ronpaulform? People come here to communicate with one another in a free atmosphere, we lost that freedom here today. Will we get it back is the question.

I find it highly ironic that we are fighting for freedom by fighting for Dr. Paul, and we claim the neocons are taking our freedoms and then the mods go and do the same thing here on a miniscale. Maybe it is just human nature?

-Dustan

--Dustan

 

[mdh]

The HATE against the Truthers and the HATE against the Anti-Truthers needs to end

When you're done with that, the Israelis and Palestinians could use your help. After dealing with the 9/11 enthusiast crowd, that should be a walk in the park, though...

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Sense is being made on both sides of the disagreement. I agree that an important topic shouldn't be moved into a forum with no action and a last reply of 2 weeks ago. That particular forum shouldn't even exist unless there's a reason for it. A forum with only 2 people browsing may be an indication that the forum should simply be closed.

However. If that empty forum gets a bunch of busy topics moved into it, those topics will get replied to and the new forum will generate traffic - especially from new-comers who have no previous knowledge that it wasn't posted there in the first place...

What happened today COULD have worked if it was done properly...

 

[cujothekitten]

Wow, go away for a couple days and all hell breaks loose

Here are my suggestions

Ron Paul News
Campaign Action
General Politics

That's it. Easy as pie.

Have two or three moderators per topic and you'll be golden.


Now I'm going to go read about what's been going on the last two weeks.

 

[foofighter20x]

w/b, cujo

 

[M.Bellmore]

My suggestions:

Highlights
======================

Events & Announcements
Important announcements and upcoming national events
Highly controlled - should be very few posts here on "big" events

Ron Paul Essentials
All the important news, videos, and content updated daily
This should be combined with Online campaign material and campaign material
I would like one place to find good ideas for newspaper submittals that others have successfully used, identified "offical" Ron Paul material

Member Works Spotlight
The best creative works authored by forum members. Reserved for writings, videos and other material relating to Ron Paul's campaign and public affairs.
I don't know about this one. I posted something and never got any responses. Maybe really good works get moved to Ron Paul Essentials

News & Discussion
=================

Ron Paul News & Discussion
News and analysis of Ron Paul's 2008 campaign

Issues for America
Focusing on campaign issues. Ask questions about Ron Paul's positions here.

General Politics & Other
Open discussion on politics and whatever suits you
-- Hot Topics
Enter at your own risk

Ron Paul Media Matters
Cataloging misinformation, disinformation, ad hominem attacks and more.
This could probably be deleted and talked about in general

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Take Action
===========

Campaign Projects
Collaborate on a project with other Ron Paul supporters.

Strategies for Success
Brainstorm ideas, figure out how to win!

Action Reports
Tell us about your latest success in campaigning, what worked, what didn't?


Resource Exchange
Need help for a project? What to offer specialized skills or services?
Fold into member works spotlight or campaign projects

Campaign Material
Get, request and share information & ideas on all the latest campaign promotional items and promotional material construction projects. All about signs, stickers, T-shirts and more.
Delete

Online Campaign Material
Graphics, banner ads, widgets and everything else for your online campaigning.
Delete

GOP & Legal Matters
Topics relating to the primaries & convention process and election legal issues.
Move this to a sticky under Ron Paul essentials


Miscellaneous
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Introductions
New members, tell us about yourself, who, what, where and why!

Forum suggestions, problems & questions
Post here to make sure the site staff gets the message.

 

[jpa]

Here is my suggestion:

Best of Ron Paul / Ron Paul Essentials
(Mod selected posts. Place to go if you are new to forums..)

Ron Paul in the Media
(Ron Paul mentioned in old & new media *only*)

Call to Action
(Requesting actions from forum members. Polls, Donations, rallies, etc)

Ron Paul Discussion
(Discussion of Ron Paul, the campaign, etc)

Other Politics Discussion
(Discussion of other candidates, issues, etc)

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The big change is seperate news from discussion. Also make a 1 uber forum for call to action, so we have 1 place to go to help get involved.

I also think Josh should reduce the total number of forums to the 5 listed above. Everything can be fit into those.

 

[Bradley in DC]

I commend your efforts!! I do.. But for what real reason are you contemplating leaving? It's change... Just change.. Go with it instead of against it. It's really not that big of a deal. Instead of leaving, suggest how you feel things should be done. At the very least, the team (moderators, admins) should take your advice and somehow incorporate it into the big picture. And not only your advice, but others who care as well..

There has been no change--the rules and administration are the same. If people post in the right place, it's easier for everyone to find what they want--and to stop the duplicate posts wasting all of our time.

 

[Dustancostine]

However. If that empty forum gets a bunch of busy topics moved into it, those topics will get replied to and the new forum will generate traffic - especially from new-comers who have no previous knowledge that it wasn't posted there in the first place...

What happened today COULD have worked if it was done properly...

If that is the case,(that empty sections gain traffic) then that is fine. But those sections have just become graveyards for threads. If it was done properly then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I agree with you in general message board theory, but this forum is different. It isn't just people discussing ideas but people pooling resources knowledge and ideas together to get something done. You have to do that in limited forums. You can do that in 20 different places. Most people don't go from section to section.

--Dustan

 

[Bradley in DC]

When you're done with that, the Israelis and Palestinians could use your help. After dealing with the 9/11 enthusiast crowd, that should be a walk in the park, though...

Yeah, but we're all here fighting for a united Paulistinian state!

(my apologies)

 

[Dustancostine]

There has been no change--the rules and administration are the same. If people post in the right place, it's easier for everyone to find what they want--and to stop the duplicate posts wasting all of our time.

Then once again, how can you explain todays moving outburst?

Most of the things that were moved today were similar to things that have never been moved.

Foo moved RP articles into media matters, he moved the Liberty Rally Donation thread into some other abyss. He moved one of Razmear's projects to another. The Spam Spartanberg was not moved, it was actually stickied, same with adopt an iowan, Dean's ad project was not moved either.

I still don't see what y'all's problem was today. I still have not seen an explanation other than Foo felt like it.

-Dustan

 

[G-khan]

If it ain't broke don't fix it!