STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[NYgs23]

...and we should concern ourselves with "for most," why again?

Congratulations on managing to live life completely free of all govt-controlled services.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Thank you. Unfortunately, some people around here seem to want to cut off their noses to spite their faces by pretending that, under the current system, living life without utilizing govt-controlled services on some level is a viable option for most.

Which "services" are you thinking of specifically? Just curious.

Personally, I don't think it is that so much. I think it is that most people around here disagree with the system as it now exists. But, in attacking an entire profession, they are forgetting one of their highest held principles regarding collectivism vs. the individual.

Is your stance that you don't agree with public schools, etc., but that as long as they exist, you're one person who is trying to make them the best they can be?

 

[newbitech]

Who's talking about magic? Do you not see that when the govt owns the roads (or controls them or whatever you want to call it), the people who maintain the roads will be paid by the govt. What do you except? A private third-party to pay people to maintain the government's roads? The point is that the govt does control these things right now. Ipso facto, it's the only one who's going to maintain and staff these govt-controlled things.

point of order, I don't think anyone is saying that maintain roads is a function of government unsupported by the constitution. Tho it should be states that pay for this. The federal govt has no business in schools.

 

[NYgs23]

...and then folks will stop asking for competition and start demanding it.

If you believe that the best way to privatize education and privatize transporation is by allowing them to go to the dogs first, you must also be hoping that Bernanke inflates a whole lot and totally destroys the dollar, so that people will demand private competition. I'd prefer to avoid taking detour through the Dark Ages in order to get to freedom. Besides such a situation is just as, if not more likely to lead to more tyranny. Govt control tends to grow in the midst of misery and deprivation.

 

[Kraig]

Well, I don't know what to think. You say that's the information they're missing, but you don't sound as if your friend is missing the information. You make it sound like he's painfully aware of this information, gets reminded every day, and puts up with it at great personal pain and disgust because he wants the public to be served by someone who is human.

And I say bravo.



And to you I not only say bravo, but I got your back. Thank you for trying to get the job done despite the fact that you have to fight the system tooth and nail to do it right.

Well for better or worse, he doesn't even really serve anyone or wish to do so anymore. He works a desk job in the jailhouse basically filling out paperwork and making phone calls because he doesn't want to have any part of the "real" police work. For awhile I felt really sorry for him because he was a thug in high school and becoming a police officer was his idea of turning away from that lifestyle, only for him to quickly find out that he was still hanging out with a bunch of thugs so now he just keeps to himself, but everyone has to take their own path. Anyways, thanks for having my back, it does seem like we are all in this together.

 

[constituent]

Congratulations on managing to live life completely free of all govt-controlled services.

i say one thing, you quote it and then say some completely irrelevant garbage... i don't get it. (well, i do actually get it.)

 

[donnay]

...and then folks will stop asking for competition and start demanding it.

+1776


NYgs23 has proven the point, throughout this thread, conditioning and indoctrinating people to think resistance is futile. *SIGH*

 

[newbitech]

If you believe that the best way to privatize education and privatize transporation is by allowing them to go to the dogs first, you must also be hoping that Bernanke inflates a whole lot and totally destroys the dollar, so that people will demand private competition. I'd prefer to avoid taking detour through the Dark Ages in order to get to freedom. Besides such a situation is just as, if not more likely to lead to more tyranny. Govt control tends to grow in the midst of misery and deprivation.

Point of fact, Dr. Paul has been trying for years to get people to see how our economy is being undermined. It actually did take a huge collapse for people to say hmmm.. maybe he was right.

I think sometimes things have to get worse before they get better, it seems like a universal law at least in my own personal observations.

 

[spotics]

In all honesty education itself is a process of indoctrination. As a former teacher who is considering returning to the field, and as someone who went to Catholic, Christian, and public schools, I have to say there are problems with all three of them. In all honesty, if I had to choose which one is best, I would say the Catholic. Public schools limit what teachers can teach, or mandate them to teach certain aspects in little time making it impossible for the students to comprehend things. Catholic schools are a little better, but almost always use the state standard, however they a little lax in their rules allowing teachers to cover a little less but giving them enough time for students to comprhend. I like them because I felt like I learned more and was taught by quality teachers.

I will never send my children to a Christian school. Having went to one, I came out a born again, neoconservative, book burning, gay hating, non-protestant bashing asshole. The teachers had no idea what they were doing. I will send my child to the lousey public school system in my area before I will send them to a Christian school.

 

[LibertyEagle]

except prison, unless of course you anarchs are all talk and no action, which I suspect is the case.

"you anarchs"???

Are they all the same? Because, quite frankly, I have seen quite a lot of difference in each person's opinion and manner. At least on this forum.

 

[NYgs23]

Which "services" are you thinking of specifically?

Money, for one. When you use money, you use a service that has been completely monopolized by the govt. That's wrong, but the only alternative as it stands is to live through bartering.

Is your stance that you don't agree with public schools, etc., but that as long as they exist, you're one person who is trying to make them the best they can be?

My stance is that if I want to teach, I should compete within the current system, rather than limit my own job options to a great extent. Why should I handicap myself, especially when it won't save any tax money because they'd simply hire somebody else anyway? It helps no one, not me, not the students, not the taxpayers to do so.

 

[Kraig]

Why? There are still real life people on the "other" side of the computer. Why would you, meaning everyone, not talk to them like you do someone in the bar?

I don't get it...

Compare the forums, not to a 1 on 1 conversation, but to 30 people all trying to have their say. I think in this case you will find that the forums are MORE civilized than a flesh to flesh group of people would be based on what we are talking about, but that could also be because of our common goals and desires. Anyways I was trying to point out the differences of group conversation vs. two people talking, not advocating treating people badly just because they are behind a computer.

 

[PrairieQueen]

You frame it as though this is a bad thing... I wish folks were more direct in real life like they are on the internet.

You can still be direct in a respectful manner. A lot of threads here seem to degrade into nothing but insults. It's been pointed out that members have left because of this. I just don't see how that is constructive.

 

[NYgs23]

point of order, I don't think anyone is saying that maintain roads is a function of government unsupported by the constitution. Tho it should be states that pay for this. The federal govt has no business in schools.

Well, I don't think any level of govt should be in the business of either, practically or morally. But we have to deal with the system as it exists.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

"you anarchs"???

Are they all the same? Because, quite frankly, I have seen quite a lot of difference in each person's opinion and manner. At least on this forum.

I have yet to find an anarch that doesnt live completely in unyielding theory. When I do, Ill be sure to make the distinction

 

[NYgs23]

i say one thing, you quote it and then say some completely irrelevant garbage... i don't get it. (well, i do actually get it.)

Frankly, I don't even understand half of what you said. I said, "Living life without govt services isn't a viable option for most." You said, "Why concern ourselves about 'for most'?" What does that mean? Do you use govt services? Then you are part of that group too.

 

[Kraig]

I have yet to find an anarch that doesnt live completely in unyielding theory. When I do, Ill be sure to make the distinction

What do you mean? My theory may be unyielding, I certainly don't live that way though.

 

[PrairieQueen]

Compare the forums, not to a 1 on 1 conversation, but to 30 people all trying to have their say. I think in this case you will find that the forums are MORE civilized than a flesh to flesh group of people would be based on what we are talking about, but that could also be because of our common goals and desires. Anyways I was trying to point out the differences of group conversation vs. two people talking, not advocating treating people badly just because they are behind a computer.

Well, my experience in general is different. I think a lot of posters hind behind their anonymity and are LESS civilized. I know if I was responded to in the manner a lot of posters here do, I wouldn't listen to another word they said..even though they may convince me.

 

[constituent]

You can still be direct in a respectful manner. A lot of threads here seem to degrade into nothing but insults. It's been pointed out that members have left because of this. I just don't see how that is constructive.

Funny thing about internet forums, as much as the degrading factor sucks and is often offensive to the thinking audience, in terms of numbers (alone... viewership, etc.) it sells like hotcakes.

"People" love this kinda shit, that's why they watch so much t.v.

Honey, honey, poison is a two way street.

 

[Kraig]

Well, my experience in general is different. I think a lot of posters hind behind their anonymity and are LESS civilized. I know if I was responded to in the manner a lot of posters here do, I wouldn't listen to another word they said..even though they may convince me.

Well that's not me, that's also why I use my real name here. Sometimes I have to rope the passion back in, but I do try to be civilized at all times.