STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[Danke]

I don't agree with government run schools, but am a product of public schools. I was always conservative leaning toward Libertarianism, with the Libertarianism persuasion gaining strength as I got older. A lot of our younger RP supporters are a products of government schools too.

So even though I want to eliminate them, I don't think they are as influential as we are giving them credit for.

 

[JK/SEA]

another thing. we have 'SO CALLED' Ron Paul people demonizing gays by trying to legislate gay marriage in Washington State. I wonder how many gay people we could have got on board with 'the message' of liberty. Sadly, i'm afraid this movement is heading to the crapper because of self interests, and lack of reigning in our personal demons.

I'm close to moving on away from this CURRENT revolution, but i want to bitch slap a few people first before my computer gets taken away.

 

[pcosmar]

So, by your logic, insult them, blame them, and they will come is that it?

by the by, my wife is a 4th grade teacher, and supports Ron Paul,
and evidently a masochist.

I don't know your wife. Does she have a functioning brain?
As I said there are a few, but certainly not "most".
Does your wife teach from distorted text books or does she teach kids the truth?

Most that "get it" go to private schools or home school environments.
I know that I could not in clear conscience remain in a system that distorts and deliberately dumbs down education.

 

[Fr3shjive]

I agree with TS. We need to fix the system to weed out the bad cops and teachers.

Personally teachers should be paid on some sort of performance based pay. Cops on the other hand should be monitored by an outside agency with cameras in their cars that they cant touch. Internal Affairs hardly ever weeds out the bad cops.

 

[JK/SEA]

I don't know your wife. Does she have a functioning brain?
As I said there are a few, but certainly not "most".
Does your wife teach from distorted text books or does she teach kids the truth?

Most that "get it" go to private schools or home school environments.
I know that I could not in clear conscience remain in a system that distorts and deliberately dumbs down education.

Math, reading, no history per district rules. She does teach critical thinking.
Point is, if you want to use blankets to cover your opinion on teachers, then may i say, you should be a little more 'open minded' and not buy into the BS your eating.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

another thing. we have 'SO CALLED' Ron Paul people demonizing gays by trying to legislate gay marriage in Washington State. I wonder how many gay people we could have got on board with 'the message' of liberty. Sadly, i'm afraid this movement is heading to the crapper because of self interests, and lack of reigning in our personal demons.

I'm close to moving on away from this CURRENT revolution, but i want to bitch slap a few people first before my computer gets taken away.

JK, Id like to keep this civil.. But Im not sure I see the connection. Why do we need to pander go Gays or anyone for that matter? Gays have the same rights as everyone else. Everyone can marry a member of the opposite sex. Being opposed to Gay marriage doesnt make you a homophobe or anti-gay. It does make you someone who values the nuclear family.

 

[acptulsa]

Drop out of the system or you're feeding it.

Burrow from within.

The only way to cure the system is to let it fail and build a better one from the rubble.

Reform, if possible, will allow the system to be fixed without so many people getting hurt.

We need a new slate.

We just need to clean the slate.



I ain't God, and I don't know. But, in the meantime, I am grateful for the good apples. I'm glad the bad apples didn't spoil the whole barrel.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

And don't tell me it's "it's a job".

I turned down, 8 years ago, a six figure naval contract job, just because it was a "government job".

Time for people to start putting their money where their mouths are.

Agreed. If I had decided to pursue money instead of liberty, my life would certainly be much easier.

 

[Xenophage]

are you 12 years old? did your grade school teachers forget to give you a jelly belly for getting an 'A' on your clay project?

grow up.

Let me clarify: I hate PUBLIC teachers... and I hate cops.

You think this is immature of me? Are you enamored by these people? Are you enamored by slave owners and mobsters?

It is not the concept of a teacher, or even the concept of a police officer that I have a problem with. What I have a problem with is anybody who would be a police officer in full knowledge that a large part of his job will be to initiate violence against non-violent, innocent people. There is no person of any moral integrity that could ever even consider becoming a police officer. Only brutes and sociopaths are drawn to this 'profession.'

I have a problem with someone who believes it is their moral duty to monopolize the education of a child. Ignorant fuckheads that work in the public school system and have the most absurd notions about science and literature feel that they own the minds of our youth. I actually hate these people more than I hate cops, for they're the root cause of our society's disintegration. Public teachers, and public schools in general, are quite likely the primary cause of a vast majority of psychological ailments that afflict children in America. The public school system encourages a "Lord of the Flies" sociology in developing young minds, where they learn from an impressionable young age to victimize one another and become victims themselves - and nothing else, because they certainly don't learn any academia. At the heart of this system is the philosophy that the State owns your children, and if you don't like it then the aforementioned police will carry out violence against your family.

You're the one that needs to grow up.

 

[pcosmar]

Math, reading, no history per district rules. She does teach critical thinking.
Point is, if you want to use blankets to cover your opinion on teachers, then may i say, you should be a little more 'open minded' and not buy into the BS your eating.

Ok, I have only my experience to go on, and since I was "Class of 75" that is a bit dated.
My 8 th grade graduated 18 students. Of those maybe 10 had reading ability above 4th grade level.
Except for rare exceptions, the young people I have met in later years show no improvement.
I see bright intelligent and imaginative kids put on drugs (Ritalin) rather than spending time to stimulate their brains.
I have seen College students that don't understand basic fundamentals.

There are people here that can not read the published works of our enemies and see what their plans are.

So yes, I am highly skeptical.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

There are plenty of good teachers and cops out there. The unions and the beurocrats are the problem. .

If there were truly a significant number of good teachers and cops, there would be no bad teachers or cops. Good people simply dont stand by and let bad shit happen without doing something about it.

 

[bossman068410]

So extending your logic means that we should praise Hannity?

No I'm saying that it was NOT HATE that brought me to the movement.
It was Logic and Reason other Ron Paul supporters brought to the Hannity forums.

 

[Xenophage]

Oh I didn't realize your wife was a teacher. I'm sorry. Actually, I LOVE teachers! REALLY!

 

[bossman068410]

Ok, I have only my experience to go on, and since I was "Class of 75" that is a bit dated.
My 8 th grade graduated 18 students. Of those maybe 10 had reading ability above 4th grade level.
Except for rare exceptions, the young people I have met in later years show no improvement.
I see bright intelligent and imaginative kids put on drugs (Ritalin) rather than spending time to stimulate their brains.
I have seen College students that don't understand basic fundamentals.

There are people here that can not read the published works of our enemies and see what their plans are.

So yes, I am highly skeptical.

OMG don't even go there.. You know how pissed I am at BIG PHAMA and our government DESTROYING children for profit and self interest.

 

[acptulsa]

Damn, these posts are coming in so fast I wonder if I'm wasting my time typing--is anyone actually reading, or just yelling at each other?

Black and white, good and evil--damn. I blame the computers. The complexity of computers is deceptive. Zero or one, yes or no, on or off. Humans are a little more complex than that, and so are our interactions.

If you're burrowing from within, you're feeding the system? Maybe, but what are you feeding it? If you're feeding the system poison, whose side are you on? Is that flu bug in your body part of your system?

Stop and digest, people.

 

[LibertyWorker]

To me it’s simple. We have no more time to coddle people that know they are doing wrong so they can hang onto a pay check. Teachers that teach year after year know that the curriculum they are teaching is social ideology set forth by government. Not reading writing and math. Police violate people’s rights every day they go to work. They prevent vary little crime. They just clean up the mess left behind after the fact. making them little more than glorified garbage men. Most of the police spend their time milking people to create revenue for the city and state.

The time for these people is running out.

Either you’re with us or you are with the terrorists

 

[Xenophage]

No I'm saying that it was NOT HATE that brought me to the movement.
It was Logic and Reason other Ron Paul supporters brought to the Hannity forums.

You don't have to be bitter and resentful like me, but I think my bitterness and resentment is logically justifiable.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

No I'm saying that it was NOT HATE that brought me to the movement.
It was Logic and Reason other Ron Paul supporters brought to the Hannity forums.

You do understand that there is a distinct difference between hate and criticism, right?

 

[donnay]

The problem is this tyranny that is now at our threshold didn't happen over night and the clocks are ticking. There is no time to coddle and spoon feed people, they have to know that something is radically wrong and take the time and initiative to research for themselves. If you love liberty it is your duty to know the truth and prepare for it!

It is incumbent upon every individual to learn the founding of this country, learn the Declaration of Independence and Constitution--memorize them!

Know why founders feared standing armies and centralized bankers--this is key.

They are not teaching this in public schools!
They are not teaching this in police academies!

Police have become the standing armies our founders warned us about. Central banks have taken control and enslaved us all. Centralize government has taken over schools and put together curriculum that is indoctrinating our children to be good little servants. Schools are set up like minimum security prisons.

Read the 10 planks of the Communists Manifesto to get an idea where this country is going.

Plank 10. Free education for all children in public schools...

No where in the Constitution does it say that you have a right to an education.

If you do not pay your property taxes the standing armies comes.

That has nothing to do with liberty and that is why so many of us are angry at people who continue to acquiesce to this tyranny.

 

[acptulsa]

To me it’s simple. We have no more time to coddle people that know they are doing wrong so they can hang onto a pay check. Teachers that teach year after year know that the curriculum they are teaching is social ideology set forth by government. Not reading writing and math. Police violate people’s rights every day they go to work. They prevent vary little crime. They just clean up the mess left behind after the fact. making them little more than glorified garbage men. Most of the police spend their time milking people to create revenue for the city and state.

The time for these people is running out.

Either you’re with us or you are with the terrorists

So, you're quoting Dubya. Do you really believe you're a uniter, not a divider?

If you think this subject is simple, you're not looking at the whole picture.

No room for the teacher diligently trying to slide some truth into his or her classroom and hoping the superintendent doesn't find out? No room for the prosecutor trying to figure out who is and isn't really a threat? But how much worse would it be right now without them?

Time for these people is running out, and that's as it should be. But how much do we harm ourselves when we throw the wheat out with the chaff?

Think again about the MIAC report. Don't paint with the broad brush. Every newspaper wirephoto is a bunch of little white spots and little black spots. You must stand back to see the big picture they create.