STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[Deborah K]

The "big tent" is a loony fantasy and it sucks.

Explain that comment. You are sounding like a collectivist now. Tell me TW, who is allowed in your ideal world?

 

[Munier1]

I mostly agree with the OP on this. The only problem is that these kinds of professions seem to attract the most nefarious individuals. At the very least, they DISTRACT those individuals who could do the jobs with integrity. Academia attracts Marxists for college professors, K-12 attracts paternalists and low-brow socialists (those not smart enough to even get Marxism), and the police force attracts people with a criminal mindset (since thinking like a criminal supposedly helps you to be a better cop).

Thankfully, there are a few exceptions to these rules. We understand, as students of the Austrian School, that humans aren't meant to be generalized that much, that they are complex individuals who have many cross-cutting tendencies, experiences, and beliefs.

 

[homah]

Yes, teachers are the equivalent of nazis. Or maybe, just maybe, they're regular people trying to educate kids on how to solve math and science problems, how to tell the difference between their, they're and there (you were absent that day, but trust me, they taught it) and how the American Revolution came to pass.

Truth Warrior and you seem to think teachers are trying to indoctrinate you. Someone should send them the memo, because they aren't aware of the plan.

Right. There just doing their jobs.

 

[bossman068410]

That one.

If you didn't have stinking rotting garbage stacked up around your house, you wouldn't be worried about catching damn flies.

TAKE OUT THE TRASH!

TY I'm trying to be objective.

So you REJECT the OATHKEEPERS?
Do you REJECT all teachers?
Do you REJECT all EVERYONE WHO works in the Government

THEN YOU REJECT RON PAUL

Do you see the Argument you are giving?

 

[newbitech]

TY I'm trying to be objective.

So you REJECT the OATHKEEPERS?
Do you REJECT all teachers?
Do you REJECT all EVERYONE WHO works in the Government

THEN YOU REJECT RON PAUL

Do you see the Argument you are giving?

pfftt.. strawman

I'll give you one chance to go back and re-read what I already said and respond to my argument. If you come back with some more blase rhetoric with words like ALL, EVERY, EVERYONE, then I will be confirmed to write off everything you say on this subject from here in.

 

[bossman068410]

pfftt.. strawman

No that was a gutpunch to your argument.

Our goal is to bring people into the movement not to chase them away.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

No that was a gutpunch to your argument.

Our goal is to bring people into the movement not to chase them away.

You dont bring people to the movement by taking the movement to them. You bring people to the movement by getting them to see the error of their ways.

Honestly, if your teacher friend is that big a wuss that she cant see the crap in her own profession, then she wasnt worth having.

 

[bossman068410]

You dont bring people to the movement by taking the movement to them. You bring people to the movement by getting them to see the error of their ways.

Honestly, if your teacher friend is that big a wuss that she cant see the crap in her own profession, then she wasnt worth having.

I didn't see the s*** in the NEOCON movement back in my Hannity days.
It took a few patient logical Ron Paulers to point in the right direction.

 

[christagious]

I don't like the way you are shaping your argument. You need to give some specific example.

How about stop attacking supporters who speak the truth that your friends can't swallow?

I agree with the OP. Here in a year I will be finished with school and I WILL BE a teacher. Sure there are always a few bad apples in the bunch but that goes with any group of people. There are good cops, there are bad cops. There are good teachers, there are bad teachers. There are good doctors, there are bad doctors. There are good Ron Paul supporters and there are bad Ron Paul supporters.

There's nothing that "friends can't swallow", the OP is simply saying that a teacher friend of his came to to an event with an open mind and very well could have been turned into a supporter, instead because of assholes who have to collectively put every person of a specific profession into a group and bash them, the potential supporter was turned off. People are turned off of this movement every single day because of the way some of you talk about certain groups of people or talk about certain issues.

And because I'm not too much of a wordsmith I will quote some posts from this thread that I wholeheartedly agree with.

Why would we profile people? I thought we were all here because we understood that we're all different?....

All Bilderbergers and CFR members are the enemy? That I might believe. All cops and teachers are the enemy? All of them? Yer nuts.

I am a high school government teacher and a Ron Paul supporter. Glad to know that Truth Warrior considers me part of the tyranny.

I hear ya Justin, not ALL teachers are part of the system, per se. Besides, don't they say the best way to change the system is from within?

DO NOT CAST the first stone at teachers if you

EVER had a government job
EVER took a government back student loan
EVER use the post office
EVER went on unemployment
EVER used a public park
EVER bla bla bla........

WHOO!!! that's what I'm talking about.

Yes, teachers are the equivalent of nazis. Or maybe, just maybe, they're regular people trying to educate kids on how to solve math and science problems, how to tell the difference between their, they're and there (you were absent that day, but trust me, they taught it) and how the American Revolution came to pass.

Truth Warrior and you seem to think teachers are trying to indoctrinate you. Someone should send them the memo, because they aren't aware of the plan.

+1

If you don't fit their exact mold of what a Ron Paul supporter should be, then you are the enemy! We can't afford to be turning people with open minds away.

Sadly people will continue to be turned away because of the way some people in this movement carry themselves. They expect people to have open minds when being introduced to this movement but they themselves are very close minded. And with that...


After reading through some more posts, I am done with this thread. The close-minded paranoia of some of you, Truth Warrior among a few others, disgusts me. I'm amazed that I have stuck around this long given some of the people we have to deal with on here.

 

[pcosmar]

You catch more flies with Honey.....
What premise do you feel is weak?

Well lets just post some facts rather than emotional issues.
Since the Police State is too easy a target, let look at "education".
http://www.nea.org/home/IssuesAndAction.html
Lots here that is contrary to the freedom movement, but lets take one.
http://www.nea.org/home/16345.htm

Higher Education for Undocumented Immigrants


Current federal law prevents many talented undocumented immigrants who have lived much of their lives in the United States and have graduated from high school from pursuing higher education. Bipartisan legislation (the DREAM Act, H.R. 12754/S. 774) has been introduced in Congress to allow states to determine their own residency rules, thereby permitting them to offer in-state tuition and higher education benefits to undocumented students.
NEA supports this proposal.

Look around. This is the face of the enemy.
More here,
http://www.unionvoice.org/afteactivst/legislative_action_center3.html

Still more.

http://teachersunionexposed.com/

 

[newbitech]

No that was a gutpunch to your argument.

Our goal is to bring people into the movement not to chase them away.

nothing in your OP was objective. I can't see thru all bullshit all the time, but I can see thru your bullshit.

You are the one who is doing the serious generalization. It almost sounds as if you are attempting to marginalize one of the base platforms of this movement which is free market education.

You are also trivializing or completely ignorant of some of our recent success like the MIAC report exposure. I think if you are serious about this argument, you ought to step back and think about what being objective really is.

The goal of CFL is to educate. Somehow you got a teacher there and couldn't make the connection. Don't blame the movement for that and don't try and paint people who dislike establishment teachers as anti-Ron Paul or anti freedom message.

Again go back and re-read my arguement and stop looking at my statements for a reason why your teacher friend got turned off. If I was there, I am sure things would have been different.

 

[Anti Federalist]

There is no one single institution that has had a greater negative effect on individual liberty and intellectual ability than the state run school system.

Google Horace Mann and Prussian School Model.

Then get back to me.

How anybody could be part of that system and call themselves a "liberty lover" is beyond me.

And don't tell me it's "it's a job".

I turned down, 8 years ago, a six figure naval contract job, just because it was a "government job".

Time for people to start putting their money where their mouths are.

 

[Deborah K]

I didn't see the s*** in the NEOCON movement back in my Hannity days.
It took a few patient logical Ron Paulers to point in the right direction.

I'm starting to think that the very people who are so hard-core about who can be in this movement and who can't, have probably never converted anyone. They're all talk and no action. If you think you can hit someone over the head with your logic and expect them to suddenly see the light, then you're a GD'd fool.

 

[misterx]

STOP demonizing neocons and communists. We should be nice to them and maybe they'll join us.

 

[Danke]

Woot. I intend to say that in four years

I thought you'd be bear food by then.

 

[bossman068410]

Well lets just post some facts rather than emotional issues.
Since the Police State is too easy a target, let look at "education".
http://www.nea.org/home/IssuesAndAction.html
Lots here that is contrary to the freedom movement, but lets take one.
http://www.nea.org/home/16345.htm


Look around. This is the face of the enemy.
More here,
http://www.unionvoice.org/afteactivst/legislative_action_center3.html

Still more.

http://teachersunionexposed.com/

Your pointing at the system and I agree with all the arguments.
Focus on what I'm saying about the Individuals.

I'M BEGGING to open your mind !!!
I'M BEGGING for you guys to stop the HATE !!!

PLEASE !!!!!

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm starting to think that the very people who are so hard-core about who can be in this movement and who can't, have probably never converted anyone. They're all talk and no action. If you think you can hit someone over the head with your logic and expect them to suddenly see the light, then you're a GD'd fool.

I converted a left liberal during the presidential campaign.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is no one single institution that has had a greater negative effect on individual liberty and intellectual ability than the state run school system.

Google Horace Mann and Prussian School Model.

Then get back to me.

How anybody could be part of that system and call themselves a "liberty lover" is beyond me.

And don't tell me it's "it's a job".

I turned down, 8 years ago, a six figure naval contract job, just because it was a "government job".

Time for people to start putting their money where their mouths are.

While I agree with you in sentiment and you know I do, there are a lot of people out there that have much weaker personalities and constitutions than many of us do. Remember that personality poll someone ran awhile back? There are a lot of followers out there and people who just lived their lives in a fog. It doesn't mean they are bad people. No, I wouldn't want to hang out with them, because one of my bad traits is that I don't suffer stupidity well, but they're not the people who have engineered this deal we're watching. Yes, they allowed it to happen. But then again, so did we.

Some of these people are starting to wake up now. Yeah, it took a steam shovel to hit them over the head, but they ARE waking up. So, we can either embrace them and teach them, or we can insult the hell out of them and make them join up with the very same people engineering our collapse.

C'mon guys, you know which one will further our goals and which one won't.

 

[Feenix566]

There are plenty of good teachers and cops out there. The unions and the beurocrats are the problem. The unions prevent bad teachers from being fired and they prevent good teachers from being promoted. The beurocrats impose their agendas on the teachers without regard to how it impacts that students' educations. If we had a policy of school choice, unions and beurocrats would be removed from the system in a short period of time, and our education system would become dramatically more efficient.

 

[bossman068410]

I converted a left liberal during the presidential campaign.

YEAAAA !!!

Was it with hate ?

or

Was it with rational thought?