Standard military attire?

[rpfreedom08]

Is there any info out there that shows exactly in detail what the standard military attire is? Any info on this would be great. Not sure what BDU's etc.. to get. Thanks guys.

 

[Luft97]

You are looking for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Combat_Uniform

 

[acptulsa]

No synthetic fibers. They burn too well. Cotton is good.

 

[Luft97]

I have no information about this site but it seems you can order an entire set from them here:

http://www.militaryspot.com/armyacu.htm

 

[Dr.3D]

Is there any info out there that shows exactly in detail what the standard military attire is? Any info on this would be great. Not sure what BDU's etc.. to get. Thanks guys.

When you join, they will issue them to you, you don't need to buy them yourself unless you destroyed the ones they issued or they wore out.

 

[rpfreedom08]

I'm not joining the military.

 

[Dr.3D]

I'm not joining the military.

Well, just make sure you get the ones needed in the area you are expecting to use them in.

Desert camo isn't the best in the woods.

 

[Luft97]

Well, just make sure you get the ones needed in the area you are expecting to use them in.

Desert camo isn't the best in the woods.

ACU replaced desert camo it is a "one cammo fits all cammo" so to say

Did you get the info you needed rpfreedom?

 

[rpfreedom08]

Yes I did, thanks man. I'm on that site right now you provided.

 

[rpfreedom08]

Well, just make sure you get the ones needed in the area you are expecting to use them in.

Desert camo isn't the best in the woods.

Rofl, no doubt. I just really needed to know exactly what they carry usually so I know what is needed and what would be over kill.

 

[Dr.3D]

ACU replaced desert camo it is a "one cammo fits all cammo" so to say

Thanks, I didn't know that.... it's been 40 years or so since I used any.

 

[Shink]

ACU replaced desert camo it is a "one cammo fits all cammo" so to say

Did you get the info you needed rpfreedom?

Yeah, but the ACU is also something of a failure as a camouflage. SF tested it in a wooded setting, hiding from instructors, but were spotted every time. I think the Marine pattern is superior, despite Marines' not being superior themselves. The first time I saw their new uniform I was in Airborne School. The guy was standing next to some grass by some barracks. The digital pattern played tricks on my eyes, as though I was looking at moving static, very weird. I can say ACUs beat the shit out of starching and pressing BDUs every day and shining boots for no reason (since you immediately get gravel and Fort Bragg clay on them).

To the original poster, look up UnderArmor military or something. They have the brown undershirts with the bonus of sweat wicking. They're superior to the cheapie Fruit of the Loom undershirts.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, but the ACU is also something of a failure as a camouflage. SF tested it in a wooded setting, hiding from instructors, but were spotted every time. I think the Marine pattern is superior, despite Marines' not being superior themselves.

Is that why every time we take a hill, give it to the Army to hold it, they lose it, so we have to go back in and take it for them again, and give it back for them to 'hold' again? And is that also why we are always able to do the same jobs with less bullets, less food, and less men? Hmmmmm???

Heck, even with all the intra-service rivalry (the kind of brotherly love that sometimes devolves into fistfights) an Army Spec Forces SgtMajor friend of mine said that his only real complaint against the Marines is they have no real spec ops group (currently changing that), but he also said Marines are just about all crack shots from the Generals all the way down to the cooks.

The first time I saw their new uniform I was in Airborne School. The guy was standing next to some grass by some barracks. The digital pattern played tricks on my eyes, as though I was looking at moving static, very weird. I can say ACUs beat the shit out of starching and pressing BDUs every day and shining boots for no reason (since you immediately get gravel and Fort Bragg clay on them).

To the original poster, look up UnderArmor military or something. They have the brown undershirts with the bonus of sweat wicking. They're superior to the cheapie Fruit of the Loom undershirts.

Definitely get the UA shirts. 1000% superior.

And yes, if you want more effective digital camouflage, MARPATs work a lot better than the ACU pattern, and MARPATs are available in Woodland, Desert, and (sort of available in) Urban. You just have to be a little careful in that one of the aftermarket producers of urban pattern utilities tends to fade pretty quickly with washing.

 

[Brown Sapper]

ACU's were made to break up digital imagery of the soldier's. If you look at them in thermals they look like a bunch of heads and hands. Kind of pointless since insurgents don't have any night vision or thermal capabilities.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

ACU's were made to break up digital imagery of the soldier's. If you look at them in thermals they look like a bunch of heads and hands. Kind of pointless since insurgents don't have any night vision or thermal capabilities.

Both MARPATs and (especially) the Iraq#1 era "Desert Night Parka" patterns do the same. I believe the Desert Night pattern, in fact, does a better job of this than any other pattern in the American inventory.

 

[Brown Sapper]

Are you talking about the DCU's used in Desert Storm?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Are you talking about the DCU's used in Desert Storm?

No way, not even a little bit. I am talking about this 2 color stuff in green and dark green; the pattern looks like dark green grid paper over a lighter green background, with a few random dark green blotches mingled in. let me look and see if I can find an example pattern to post here...

 

[Shink]

Is that why every time we take a hill, give it to the Army to hold it, they lose it, so we have to go back in and take it for them again, and give it back for them to 'hold' again? And is that also why we are always able to do the same jobs with less bullets, less food, and less men? Hmmmmm???

Heck, even with all the intra-service rivalry (the kind of brotherly love that sometimes devolves into fistfights) an Army Spec Forces SgtMajor friend of mine said that his only real complaint against the Marines is they have no real spec ops group (currently changing that), but he also said Marines are just about all crack shots from the Generals all the way down to the cooks.



Definitely get the UA shirts. 1000% superior.

And yes, if you want more effective digital camouflage, MARPATs work a lot better than the ACU pattern, and MARPATs are available in Woodland, Desert, and (sort of available in) Urban. You just have to be a little careful in that one of the aftermarket producers of urban pattern utilities tends to fade pretty quickly with washing.

Don't start with me on Army vs Marines. My statement didn't disparage Marines, it merely disspelled MC claims of superiority. I didn't assert Army superiority, but if I felt like it...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

OK, this was a US Army pattern, designed to defeat NVG's and IR. From what I have heard, it was very very effective:

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=150

Apparently it is very effective against 1st and 2nd generation night vision, but 3rd gen and above have high enough resolution to obsolete the pattern. I personally think they are still marginally effective against 3rd gen (so long as you are more than 25 yards away) but don't even try against anything more advanced than 3rd gen.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Don't start with me on Army vs Marines. My statement didn't disparage Marines, it merely disspelled MC claims of superiority. I didn't assert Army superiority, but if I felt like it...

Multiple branches of the Armed Forces wouldn't be as much fun without intraservice rivalries.

FWIW, I always took the rivalry in the spirit of "sportsmanship" rather than trying to assert a reality of superiority - IE that debate was always more in the spirit of the Army-Navy football game than actual combat superiority (nevermind that the subject is always centered on combat effectiveness); and your 'not superior' comment struck me a lot like a backhanded stab, which is why I commented. I can see that you simply meant to comment on the superiority of the pattern while asserting that you don't believe that the Marines are any better than the Army, but the phrasing, I think, left that interpretation up to the reader.

Anyway, my major beef with MARPAT utilities, is that after what, 6-7 years in use they still haven't been released to Military Surplus? You have to get knock-offs, or go the the flea market and get them used.

But there is something to be said for flea market MilSurp booths -- about 3 months ago I went to the flea market and got an entire MOPP suit for $20 in near brand-new condition, still leeching charcoal on your skin when you wear it. You can't beat that!