So how much longer until after-birth abortions are legal?

[AlexAmore]

Really what is the difference at this point? We’re basing personhood on the neural capacity here. Obviously if every fetus was an Einstein we might think twice, but they aren’t.

You see, Neural development continues after birth. If the neurally unformed fetus has no moral claims to life, why isn’t the same true of the neurally unformed newborn? Especially the retarded babies! They’re still not a person based on the most fundamental guideline.

What value does the newborn have? At what point did it acquire that value and why? For christ sake a chimp was just found to be smarter than average high school students. I’m willing to move the goal posts if you are!

I’m sorry I’m just not buying any of this pro-life bullshit. We should be able to have a free week long pass to abort our babies after birth.

/Sarcasm

All of the above was satire but I’m just using the same logic. There are scientists seriously talking about this subject.

 

[Acala]

They are already legal as long as they are ordered by the president and executed with drones.

 

[Todd]

They already happen.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Really what is the difference at this point? We’re basing personhood on the neural capacity here. Obviously if every fetus was an Einstein we might think twice, but they aren’t.

How do we know this? Maybe they all start as Einsteins or smarter, and then progressively become less and less.

 

[dbill27]

I've never really been pro-life or pro-choice but the insane amount of talk from democrats at the dnc about abortion "rights" gave me the creeps. I'm not sure how someone being pro-life amounts to a war on women.

 

[jkr]

awalakis' kid from Colorado was 16...just say'n...

 

[youngbuck]

I've never really been pro-life or pro-choice but the insane amount of talk from democrats at the dnc about abortion "rights" gave me the creeps. I'm not sure how someone being pro-life amounts to a war on women.

It's not. It's instead a war on being irresponsible, and to prevent an innocent life from bearing the burden of your foolish decisions. But, evidently it's a "right" to abort a baby. It's just like you have a "right" to a physician's services, or to part of my paycheck.

People are infatuated with inventing new so-called "rights," while they ignore and couldn't give two shats about real rights, such as those enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Oh well, this nation will eventually get what it democratically wants: financial ruin, loss of civil liberties, and a police state.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They are already legal as long as they are ordered by the president and executed with drones.

Didn't have to read long to find the thread winner.

All kidding aside, to the OP, not long, not long at all.

Another 20 - 30 years I figure.

 

[maskander]

Slippery slope Exhibit A

 

[AGRP]

Become a cop and you'll get paid vacations.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Spend some time researching partial-birth abortion and you'll have your answer.

 

[jmdrake]

They already happen.

That.....stinks.

 

[Philhelm]

Life doesn't begin until the age of 90 years.

 

[maskander]

Become a cop and you'll get paid vacations for killing people while drunk driving

Fixed that for you.

http://www.wthr.com/story/19474068/motion-hearing-in-david-bisard-case?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass

 

[dillo]

a fetus isnt a person

 

[Todd]

a fetus isnt a person

No a fetus is a LIFE.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

a fetus isnt a person

According to Ron Paul (NOBP)....In "Liberty Defined", "Scientifically, there's no debate over whether the fetus is alive and human - if not killed, it matures into an adult human being. It is that simple. So the time line of when we consider a fetus "human" is arbitary after conception, in my mind." Page 3.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Really what is the difference at this point? We’re basing personhood on the neural capacity here. Obviously if every fetus was an Einstein we might think twice, but they aren’t.

You see, Neural development continues after birth. If the neurally unformed fetus has no moral claims to life, why isn’t the same true of the neurally unformed newborn? Especially the retarded babies! They’re still not a person based on the most fundamental guideline.

What value does the newborn have? At what point did it acquire that value and why? For christ sake a chimp was just found to be smarter than average high school students. I’m willing to move the goal posts if you are!

I’m sorry I’m just not buying any of this pro-life bullshit. We should be able to have a free week long pass to abort our babies after birth.

/Sarcasm

All of the above was satire but I’m just using the same logic. There are scientists seriously talking about this subject.

Well, the term "abortion" isn't applicable to a born person by the nature of the word. But I see what you're getting at. The State could easily call "disappearing" someone a "84th trimester abortion" or whatever. The Orwellian Newspeak dictionary expands steadily...

 

[susano]

If it's something debasing life you can bet it originates in the UK. Example:

Plea to let doctors kill babies with disabilities

Published on Sunday 5 November 2006 00:52

SENIOR doctors are urging health professionals to consider permitting the euthanasia of seriously disabled newborn babies.

The proposal, by the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecology, follows the increase in the number of such children surviving because of medical advances.

The college is arguing for "active euthanasia" to be considered for the overall good of parents, sparing them the emotional burden and financial hardship of bringing up the sickest babies.

Their submission to an ethical inquiry into increased survival rates reads: "A very disabled child can mean a disabled family. If life-shortening and deliberate interventions to kill infants were available, they might have an impact on obstetric decision-making, even preventing some late abortions, as some parents would be more confident about continuing a pregnancy and taking a risk on outcome."

Geneticists and medical ethicists are supporting the proposal - as are some mothers of severely disabled children - but a prominent children's doctor described it as "social engineering".

The college's submission continues: "We would like the working party to think more radically about non-resuscitation, withdrawal of treatment decisions and active euthanasia as they are ways of widening the management options available to the sickest of newborns."


cont., http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/plea-to-let-doctors-kill-babies-with-disabilities-1-1416720

 

[AGRP]

a fetus isnt a person

No a fetus is a LIFE.

According to Ron Paul (NOBP)....In "Liberty Defined", "Scientifically, there's no debate over whether the fetus is alive and human - if not killed, it matures into an adult human being. It is that simple. So the time line of when we consider a fetus "human" is arbitary after conception, in my mind." Page 3.

Fetus is latin for little person or offspring. Claiming that a 'fetus' is not a person is not only wrong, but its wrong in defined terms.