So how much longer until after-birth abortions are legal?

[dillo]

No a fetus is a LIFE.

So is a load of sperm then

 

[dillo]

Fetus is latin for little person or offspring. Claiming that a 'fetus' is not a person is not only wrong, but its wrong in defined terms.

This isnt Rome, so I could give a shit what the latin term means

 

[jmdrake]

This isnt Rome, so I could give a shit what the latin term means

Modern medicine, which coined the term in Latin, determined that a fetus is a human life. I know it may soothe your conscience to think otherwise. But makes no sense to believe that a premature baby born at 6 months is a human but a "fetus" aborted at 7 months is not.

 

[shane77m]

A fetus isn't a person because of its size.
Then is a baby less of a person than the average size adult?

A fetus isn't a person because it is less developed mentally.
Then is a baby less of a person than the average mentally aware adult?

A fetus isn't a person because it is dependent upon its mothers womb to live.
Is a person attached to life support less than a person who is not? Is a person dependent upon medication to live less than a person who is not?

 

[jmdrake]

So is a load of sperm then

Sperm are single celled organisms. They lack brain cells, a beating heart, or any of the other attributes that we consider as human.

This:

vs this:

There's really no comparison...except to this:

 

[dillo]

Tell me where the line is. Is the morNing after pill killing a human?

 

[DamianTV]

Every time you masturbate, god kills a Kitten!

There is a pervasive way of thinking that has penetrated our entire culture. Entitlements. Just as all the Socialists seem to think that others have a right to the fruits of your labor, others think that they are Entitled to tell another person what they can do with the life that is biologically attached to them.

The question was asked, where is the line? What defines "post birth abortion"? Easiest question of all time. Cutting the Umbilical Cord.

But people dont want to think about that. They want to think about how to create new umbilical cords. Cords of dependancy. They insist that they have a right to intrude in someone elses life. They think they are entitled to be able to tell their neighbors they cant interact, even though it doesnt involve them. They think they are entitled to steal the value of the future from Generation Y and beyond. They think they are the Law, the Judges, and the Jury even if court is not in session. They think obedience to their way of thinking is the only solution.

If there is a God, God may very well consider abortion to be murder, but it is NOT a call for anyone else to make until that life is no longer biologically tied to the parent. Many things depend on our perspective. So lets change our perspective for a second, and imagine that we were all lizard people, where if we cut off a body part, it could just grow back. And lets imagine that if we cut off our finger, that finger would grow into a complete fully functional sentient being. Would cutting off ones finger then killing the finger then also constitute abortion? Yes, I am being ridiculus at this point.

There is something else that bothers me about the whimsical concept of "after birth" or "post birth" abortions. We already have the highest infant mortality rate that this country has seen in many many years. And quite frankly, if we were to allow "after birth" abortions, there are a number of individuals who I would like to nominate for the procedure. Starting with the Banksters.

 

[Philhelm]

No a fetus is a LIFE.

No, a corporation is a LIFE.

 

[The Free Hornet]

So how much longer until after-birth abortions are legal?

Are you a moral entrepreneur trying to start a moral panic?

When liberty proponents threaten the slightest bit of liberty - however irrelevant - they give critics the hammer by which we are beaten down.

I understand this is a tough nut to crack. Many vow they will not vote for someone who is their quirky version of "pro choice" including those who don't want a government big enough or intrusive enough to insert themselves into private medical affairs.

Either the mother is willing and able to bring the fetus to term or - somehow - the government is able to fill this gap???

Despite miscarriage being a very common occurance, here is a non-comprehensive list of things that will be suspicious when preceding a miscarriage:

• Lifting of heavy weights;
• Consumption of mutton marrow;
• Consumption of dried henna powder;
• Consumption of carrot seed soup;
• physical exertion designed to bring about a miscarriage
• abdominal massage
• receiving punches, kicks, or other blows to the abdominal area
• bellyflopping onto a hard surface
• ingesting abortifacients, high quantities of vitamin C, Pennyroyal or other substances believed to induce miscarriage
• douching with substances believed to induce miscarriage
• vaginal pessaries
• yoga
• acupuncture
• hypothermia

This will be especially suspicious if a prenatal checkup finds significant health problems with a baby that could easily cost $100,000s to $1,000,000s. Yet the anti-abortion Santorum doesn't want people to have prenatal checkups. He wants responsible people to have babies of uncertain health. These are easy to care for when you're a sanctimonious politician and a one percenter. It helps to be a man too.

It helps to have state-approved insurance because any unapproved medical care will land you in jail. You don't think it scares woman to take away their Obamacare, medicaid, AND the ability to have an abortion? That baby isn't born free, the parents are on the hook for whatever the hospital says it costs regardless of anything you sign. Maybe this is why the poor and uneducated are so much more likely to procreate. Damn the consequences. Many who are not rich but with modest-to-substantial savings are going to be very concerned about the suitability to this world of a new human. And if you don't care? Good for you!

Of course, many have said and will say again they want those having sex to be responsible. Why? It's not your business. It would not surprise me if half the anti-abortion sentiment is just anti-unapproved-sex sentiment. No, not the people here. You all just care about the zygotes....

 

[DamianTV]

Life doesn't begin until the age of 90 years.

With our way of thinking, although funny, I dont think you are that far off. It appears that our current way of thinking indicates we dont believe that life begins until a License is issued. In the future, Life wont begin until a Chip is Implanted.

 

[VBRonPaulFan]

Tell me where the line is. Is the morNing after pill killing a human?

Conception.

Life doesn't start with conception though. Life is continuous, it started a long time ago. It took a live sperm and a live egg to conceive. After conception, you'd be aborting the baby in my eyes.

 

[idiom]

You can evict your child from your care at any age. If they don't survive thats not your problem.

</an-cap>

 

[dillo]

Conception.

Life doesn't start with conception though. Life is continuous, it started a long time ago. It took a live sperm and a live egg to conceive. After conception, you'd be aborting the baby in my eyes.

So the morning after pill is murder then

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You can evict your child from your care at any age. If they don't survive thats not your problem.

</an-cap>

Has an an-cap really made that argument? Whom?

 

[Eagles' Wings]

So the morning after pill is murder then

From my understanding, the morning-after pill creates a hostile environment in the womb because of a toxic mixture of poisons. If there were a fetus present, this could and probably would end his/her life.

I've known women who have ended their child's life this way and it is devastating. Some have admitted they think they murdered their child. The good news is that these women, if they desire it, have experienced freedom and forgiveness. Even women who don't think they need it, who believe the abortion was the only choice are often silent and alone, and tell no one.

 

[Kylie]

Well, if they do decide that after birth abortions are gonna be the way to go, I know of several useless people who would be on my list to be "aborted".

Just kidding.....kinda.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Has an an-cap really made that argument? Whom?

Plz answer my question, idiom^^. Curious minds want to know!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[The Free Hornet]

Has an an-cap really made that argument? Whom?

In lieu of having a genuine opinion of his own, he is simply misstating some hypothetical person's opinion.

A real capitalist would realize it is cheaper to pay a mother to carry to term in exchange for a full, healthy baby. I have no reason to believe a real anarcho-capitalist would be different. Except for the flag.

 

[seyferjm]

Has an an-cap really made that argument? Whom?

I think Walter Block made an argument similar to that