Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

[kahless]

It would be better to just break California up into multiple states with the federal government purpose to provide military defense and immigration control. We all could be somewhat independent except on immigration.

 

[The Gold Standard]

LOL, right to the race card. No, like I said I would rather not have to contend with a new China or Mexico eventually asserting their will on the rest of us down the road.

What difference does it make when the real Mexico is already right there?

Perhaps the federal government should invade Mexico, annex them and cleanse them of their substandard culture so that they aren't an imminent threat to 'Murican culture.

 

[kahless]

What difference does it make when the real Mexico is already right there?

Perhaps the federal government should invade Mexico, annex them and cleanse them of their substandard culture so that they aren't an imminent threat to 'Murican culture.

Mexico is not the world's 6th largest economy like California. They lack the tech industry and military industrial complex of California. They are a third world country.

You really need to get over this fixation you have with seeing everything as racism and think long term by looking at the big picture.

 

[oyarde]

What difference does it make when the real Mexico is already right there?

Perhaps the federal government should invade Mexico, annex them and cleanse them of their substandard culture so that they aren't an imminent threat to 'Murican culture.

Mexico should have been annexed when it was conquered in the 1800's . Too late now.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Mexico is not the world's 6th largest economy like California. They lack the tech industry and military industrial complex of California. They are a third world country.

So, you're worried about California becoming a military power and invading the western U.S.? But by importing all of those Chinese and Mexicans, won't they be impoverishing themselves? Becoming a third world country like you claim immigrants are doing to the U.S.? And if they become a third world country, they are no longer a threat, like Mexico?

 

[The Gold Standard]

I thought you folks were trying to get rid of the Mexicans because they vote Democrat. Yet when presented with the option to get rid of 55 Democratic electoral votes and dozens of Democrat representatives, you don't like it?

 

[kahless]

So, you're worried about California becoming a military power and invading the western U.S.? But by importing all of those Chinese and Mexicans, won't they be impoverishing themselves? Becoming a third world country like you claim immigrants are doing to the U.S.? And if they become a third world country, they are no longer a threat, like Mexico?

Where did I say California will become a third world country? I did not and regardless believe they would still be an economic and military power. I would not risk turning the entire state like that over to fascists to eventually become a threat to the rest of the US. This is why I said a few posts back it would be less of a threat to rather break California up into multiple states with the federal government controlling immigration and military defense.

 

[kahless]

I thought you folks were trying to get rid of the Mexicans because they vote Democrat. Yet when presented with the option to get rid of 55 Democratic electoral votes and dozens of Democrat representatives, you don't like it?

It is more complex issue than you make it out to be. This whole fixation on racism you have clouds your judgement.

 

[69360]

So, you're worried about California becoming a military power and invading the western U.S.? But by importing all of those Chinese and Mexicans, won't they be impoverishing themselves? Becoming a third world country like you claim immigrants are doing to the U.S.? And if they become a third world country, they are no longer a threat, like Mexico?

An independent California wouldn't be military power. Those wussy liberals that want to leave the US because Trump hurts their feelings would never serve in a military. They also would probably outlaw gun ownership. Anyone who would potentially serve in a military or currently serving in the US military would leave the state before secession.

 

[The Gold Standard]

It is more complex issue than you make it out to be. This whole fixation on racism you have clouds your judgement.

My fixation isn't on race. It's on trying to figure out the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify forcing these people to remain in a union that they may not want to be a part of. And to try to show the ridiculousness of opposing this, yet claiming to favor personal liberty.

 

[The Gold Standard]

An independent California wouldn't be military power. Those wussy liberals that want to leave the US because Trump hurts their feelings would never serve in a military. They also would probably outlaw gun ownership. Anyone who would potentially serve in a military or currently serving in the US military would leave the state before secession.

An independent California would immediately join NATO and have the U.S. protect them anyway. They wouldn't be invading anyone, except probably Middle Eastern countries.

 

[kahless]

An independent California wouldn't be military power. Those wussy liberals that want to leave the US because Trump hurts their feelings would never serve in a military. They also would probably outlaw gun ownership. Anyone who would potentially serve in a military or currently serving in the US military would leave the state before secession.

If they were allowed to break off with their existing military assets, unlikely, they are already a military power.

That propaganda you speak of, the wussies at least are a fringe element used to serve a political agenda. The rest have proven to be more violent that Conservatives. You forget that these are the same people that believe in national service and serving the state which is their ultimate agenda.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I thought you folks were trying to get rid of the Mexicans because they vote Democrat. Yet when presented with the option to get rid of 55 Democratic electoral votes and dozens of Democrat representatives, you don't like it?

Whoa, hold on there TGS...I like it just fine.

kahless is an outlier.

Of course, I'm being tongue in cheek here, but seriously, this should be encouraged.

This country is too big, too divided, too ungovernable without a heavy handed police state.

Time for everybody to go their own way.

 

[kahless]

My fixation isn't on race. It's on trying to figure out the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify forcing these people to remain in a union that they may not want to be a part of. And to try to show the ridiculousness of opposing this, yet claiming to favor personal liberty.

This is the real world where clutching to textbook definition of libertarian ideology is a pipe dream. It could work with some real world modifications to protect ourselves.

Like I said breaking CA into many pieces in a national union presents less of threat to others and provides greater liberty.

 

[kahless]

kahless is an outlier.

An outlier to some posting here but closer to the beliefs of the Pauls in a Ron Paul Forum. I am for greater individual liberty for people by breaking CA into smaller pieces as opposed to those who want it to leave in one piece to become a threat to the rest of us.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Like I said breaking CA into many pieces in a national union presents less of threat to others and provides greater liberty.

Yes. Maintaining the strong, central government is the key. Works much better than these libertarian pipe dreams.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Pishevar said the movement of states to regain power from the federal government was part of, "A new Federalism where state & local govts are empowered to determine their destinies while bonded together in a United States of America."

And what does that mean?

 

[Anti Federalist]

LOL - Let me guess, kahless, you live in California, amirite?

 

[The Gold Standard]

Whoa, hold on there TGS...I like it just fine.

kahless is an outlier.

Of course, I'm being tongue in cheek here, but seriously, this should be encouraged.

This country is too big, too divided, too ungovernable without a heavy handed police state.

Time for everybody to go their own way.

I know. He's just showing his true colors. Preserve the union at all costs.

 

[Anti Federalist]

An outlier to some posting here but closer to the beliefs of the Pauls in a Ron Paul Forum. I am for greater individual liberty for people by breaking CA into smaller pieces as opposed to those who want it to leave in one piece to become a threat to the rest of us.

Paul: Secession 'deeply American'

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/ron-paul-secession-is-a-deeply-american-principle-084058

By Kevin Cirilli

11/19/12 04:43 PM EST

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.

“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”

He continued: “If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”