SCOTUS legalizes Gay Marriage - 10th Amendment Obliterated

[Brian4Liberty]

Pologamy.

There is utterly no legal basis with which to ban this practice anymore.

Did somebody say "udder"?

 

[Sonny Tufts]

One way is that it creates a law through judicial fiat that impedes the free EXERCISE of religion.

Nonsense. One's right to freely exercise one's religion is unaffected by the decision. What is impeded is bigoted behavior by the government.

 

[bill1971]

Am I going to be forced to marry a man? No, of course not. So my personal liberty isn't being trampled.

Obama care dies force you to do something and fines you if you dont.

I don't see why some people are lumping these 2 issues together.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Am I going to be forced to marry a man? No, of course not. So my personal liberty isn't being trampled.

Obama care dies force you to do something and fines you if you dont.

I don't see why some people are lumping these 2 issues together.

Churches might well get sued for not marrying two men.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Churches might well get sued for not marrying two men.

They might get sued for not marrying an interracial couple as well, but the case would be dismissed just as the one in your hypothetical.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They might get sued for not marrying an interracial couple as well, but the case would be dismissed just as the one in your hypothetical.

Oh, they will get sued.

And the first case will get dismissed.

And the tenth.

But give it time, the hundreth case will prevail.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They might get sued for not marrying an interracial couple as well, but the case would be dismissed just as the one in your hypothetical.

Oh, they will get sued.

And the first case will get dismissed.

And the tenth.

But give it time, the hundreth case will prevail.

 

[bill1971]

Very unlikely. If there there are one off situations, it will get turned down. I know right now this is the only argument against gay marriage and it's speculation. Also good point about inter-racial couples. Based on that fear they shouldn't be allowed to get married either.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[Brett85]

Nonsense. One's right to freely exercise one's religion is unaffected by the decision. What is impeded is bigoted behavior by the government.

False. We're already seeing all kinds of examples of religious liberty being trampled on because of government recognition of same sex marriage.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I don't believe an atheist can be a libertarian.

What? I am an atheist libertarian...

My view on all this? The government has no place being involved in marriage at all.
It should be purely a religious contract between individuals, their church, and their god.
So it should hold no legal standing anyways.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[juleswin]

Just curious; do you know if any churches still refuse to marry those of other denominations, because they did at one point (it happened to my sister). How about atheists - do churches refuse to marry them (if anyone wanted to stick their thumb in the eye of the religious, it strikes me it'd be a militant atheist)? All of these people had the right to marry for ages - yet I don't recall any suits originating from refusals to marry them. I'll have to search and see if I can find any.

The Catholic Church wouldn't marry you if you have not gone through all the sacraments u need before you can get married. And I think if you have a divorce instead of an annulment, they wouldn't marry you.

Also just wondering, is there any record of a church in the U.S. successfully sued for refusing to marry a gay or interracial couple?

 

[Anti Federalist]

The Catholic Church wouldn't marry you if you have not gone through all the sacraments u need before you can get married. And I think if you have a divorce instead of an annulment, they wouldn't marry you.

Also just wondering, is there any record of a church in the U.S. successfully sued for refusing to marry a gay or interracial couple?

Not that I know of.

Like I already posted, I see using 501-3(c) revocation as the primary compliance tool.

 

[fr33]

I think it's hilarious. Government never should have been involved in marriage in the first place so this is what you get.

I was reading my wife's facebook feed and I think Westboro Baptist Church might be gaining some members. It's all "expect GOD's wrath, Armageddon is near!". I can't feel sorry for a bunch of people who love the state granting them extra privileges. It's quite funny.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Although BJU had admitted Asians and other ethnic groups from its inception, it did not enroll Africans or African-American students until 1971. From 1971 to 1975, BJU admitted only married blacks, although the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) had already determined in 1970 that "private schools with racially discriminatory admissions policies" were not entitled to federal tax exemption.

In 1975, the University Board of Trustees authorized a change in policy to admit black students, a move that occurred shortly before the announcement of the Supreme Court decision in Runyon v. McCrary (427 U.S. 160 [1976]), which prohibited racial exclusion in private schools.[14]

However, in May of that year, BJU expanded rules against interracial dating and marriage.[15]

In 1976, the Internal Revenue Service revoked the university's tax exemption retroactively to December 1, 1970 on grounds that it was practicing racial discrimination.[16] The case eventually was heard by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1982. After BJU lost the decision in Bob Jones University v. United States (461 U.S. 574)[1983], the university chose to maintain its interracial dating policy and pay a million dollars in back taxes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

You people should be ashamed, at present less than 1% of all marriages are to gay couples. Why is that. I bet most of you are married to the opposite sex, and never even considered a same sex relationship, that's Discriminatory! Oh I get it you are okay with "the gays", just as long as they stay over there. Separate but equal right? Until we in this country accept equality, there will be no peace. In an equal society where people weren't shamed, and programmed with cis gender stereotypes, we'd have 2/3 gay marriage 1/3 cis marriage. 1/3 being male/male 1/3 female female, 1/3 cis marriage. So, you people have a lot of work to do to fix this, it's your hate, that caused free minded people to hide in fear for 1000's of years. Until you admit you are all participants in the oppression of billions of people with your queer shaming micro aggressions, and blatant homophobia, you're all worse than racists!

This is why we are going to introduce a bill, that will end many of these grievances and make amends for 1000's of years of oppression by the cis scum.
1. We demand fully 1/3 of all employees at businesses be homosexual.
2. We demand equal access to marriage services.
3. We demand equal access to restrooms and all facilities based on the gender identification of the individual.
4. We demand protected status in the case of businesses discriminating against any LGBT community.
5. We demand gender reassignment surgery to be fully covered by state and/or federal government.
6. We demand if incarcerated to by sent to the correct institution according to the individuals self identified gender status.
7. We demand full protection if an individual selects to dress at ones place of employment in the manner of ones identified gender even if gender reassignment surgery has yet to take place, or the appearance of the individual does not at present match the identified gender.
8. We demand equal representation in film and television.
9. We demand that schools be required to teach that homosexuality is normal and healthy.
10. We demand that manufacturers immediately stop advertising toys based upon gender stereotypes.

 

[Brett85]

Why hasn't Rand issued a statement on this decision yet? Whether he supports it, opposes it, or is indifferent to it, he should release a statement letting people know where he stands. Simply being silent and not taking a stand is a cowardly thing to do.

 

[RabbitMan]

We all need to pray for America and pray that the homosexuals repent and turn away from their sins.

And I don't think it's been settled yet. The LGBT empire built on hate, lies, and intimidation will eventually collapse.

This is why we don't bring up social issues. It divides us. For instance, I think you are absolutely insane for thinking that the LGBT 'empire' is hate and intimidation. There are countless acts of bigotry towards gays and other minorities, and this is your argument? Come on dude. Come visit seattle and actually meet normal people before you invent whole 'straw empires' that have no bearing on reality.

 

[fr33]

Why hasn't Rand issued a statement on this decision yet? Whether he supports it, opposes it, or is indifferent to it, he should release a statement letting people know where he stands. Simply being silent and not taking a stand is a cowardly thing to do.

Probably still deciding whether he wants to go over the cliff with the old voters or please the young voters.