Ryan pulls the bill

PatriotOne said:
Thanks. Good to know. Things ought to get real interesting on the next move :-).
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Yeah, here's the next move.

Trump said he would not ask Republican leaders to reintroduce the legislation in the coming weeks. Instead, he said he would wait for the current law encounter problems, believing that Democrats will want to work with the White House to make changes.

“As you know, I’ve been saying for years that the best thing is to let Obamacare explode and then go make a deal with the Democrats and have one unified deal. And they will come to us, we won’t have to come to them,” he said.

“The beauty,” Trump continued, “is that they own Obamacare. So when it explodes they come to us and we make one beautiful deal for the people.”

Trump said he had no problem waiting for Democrats to seek cooperation with Republicans on health-care.

“I never said I was going to repeal and replace in the first 61 days,” he said.

In fact, Trump said repeatedly as a candidate and before his inauguration that he would work to repeal the ACA on his first day in office. And congressional Republicans have spent the last seven years campaigning to undo the law.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.1ff88bd1b314
 
Dr.3D said:
I'm pretty sure if the bill had been just to repeal the Affordable Care Act, it would have been voted and passed.
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Nope, because the RINOs (moderates) would not have voted for it, or would have been absent from the chamber during the vote. They are scared of the Dems being able to accuse them of taking away everyone's healthcare.
 
Matt Collins said:
Nope, because the RINOs (moderates) would not have voted for it, or would have been absent from the chamber during the vote. They are scared of the Dems being able to accuse them of taking away everyone's healthcare.
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So once government gets into something and messes it up, it can't fix it and get out of it again?

No wonder things are so screwed up.
 
Matt Collins said:
Nope, because the RINOs (moderates) would not have voted for it, or would have been absent from the chamber during the vote. They are scared of the Dems being able to accuse them of taking away everyone's healthcare.
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Well Matt, they would have to at least record a "present" to help defeat and keep the needed number of "ayes" for a majority from the yes/no/present total.

That aside, Ryan lost his RINO clan yesterday (some solid "no" and I suspect some "present" GOP votes) while the Freedom Caucus held the line.

Wisconsin Republicans seem to understand.

 
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Not presenting this as evidence, just an interesting possiblity, from fake news of course. One may presume the opposite is true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/25/...-care-defeat-gop-civil-war.html?smid=tw-share

But his advisers were more realistic. Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, according to people familiar with White House discussions, described what happened as a flat-out failure that could inflict serious damage on this presidency — even if Mr. Bannon believes Congress, not Mr. Trump, deserves much of the blame.

Mr. Bannon and the president’s more soft-spoken legislative affairs director, Marc Short, pushed Mr. Trump hard to insist on a public vote, as a way to identify, shame and pressure “no” voters who were killing their last, best chance to unravel the health care law.

One Hill Republican aide who was involved in the last-minute negotiations said Mr. Bannon and Mr. Short were seeking to compile an enemies list. But Mr. Ryan repeatedly counseled the president to avoid seeking vengeance — at least until he has passed spending bills and a debt-ceiling increase needed to keep the government running.
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LOL, Ryan delivers a GWB-worthy quote : 'We're not going to give up on destroying the health care system'

 
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President Trump, through his budget director, Mick Mulvaney, told House Republicans on Thursday night that he was giving them this one chance to repeal the Affordable Care Act
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Maybe that did happen . . . I really do not know/speculate about that, nor can confirm via youtube what I watched live via CSPAN's courtesy coverage to non-cable US citizens during the GOP House Stakeout, revealed after Priebus and Bannon walked out of the full GOP House Member meeting where they voted to vote - no holds barred.

Yep. Trump gives Ryan full support but I kinda think that bromance is over now - wonder who survives ?

4D chess is hard - all those multimatrix (if ya' speak Linux OpenSCAD)
I could be wrong of course, but maybe it is Trump's move after RINO Ryan went into hyperspace . . . checkers ?
 
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undergroundrr said:
LOL, Ryan delivers a GWB-worthy quote : 'We're not going to give up on destroying the health care system'
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Ryan : "We're not gonna give up on destroying the health care system for the American people"

I admit that is very funny -
but don't let SNL know before tonight's show please - Paul Ryan GOPe could suffer harm.
 
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Matt Collins said:
Nope, because the RINOs (moderates) would not have voted for it, or would have been absent from the chamber during the vote. They are scared of the Dems being able to accuse them of taking away everyone's healthcare.
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Exactly. Republicans are terrified of taking away the "preexisting condition" part of Obamacare. That's the part that makes it socialized healthcare and the part that makes it guaranteed to collapse. I heard a couple of conservative representatives on Hannity and they couldn't even utter the phrase "preexisting condition". They kept saying the "the regulation in the bill that drives up prices."
 
Zippyjuan said:
He could not get enough Republican support so he blames Democrats for the bill's failure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/health-care-affordable-care-act.html?_r=0



If this fight wore him out, it is going to be a long four years.
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In a bizarre way Trump is right. Paul Ryan could have pushed Rand's bill and received 100% republican support. The "moderate" (socialist) republicans who don't really want a full repeal wouldn't have had the guts to face the tea party backlash had the voted against a clean repeal. Libtards are getting all of the press on the town halls because the teocons are too giddy over recent victories to worry. But let a republican vote against a clean repeal and see what happens. This bill was the dems last best hope to save Obamacare. They blew it.
 
jmdrake said:
In a bizarre way Trump is right. Paul Ryan could have pushed Rand's bill and received 100% republican support. The "moderate" (socialist) republicans who don't really want a full repeal wouldn't have had the guts to face the tea party backlash had the voted against a clean repeal. Libtards are getting all of the press on the town halls because the teocons are too giddy over recent victories to worry. But let a republican vote against a clean repeal and see what happens. This bill was the dems last best hope to save Obamacare. They blew it.
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I think a lot of republicans want to keep Obamacare so they can have something bad to blame on democrats every election.
 
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