robertwerden
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I understand these pirates would have killed people, but this is murder by the russians
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d3_1312921330
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d3_1312921330
Russian Navy stops Somalian pirate boat, handcuffs pirates to boat and sinks it
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robertwerden
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Perhapse, but a fair trial is the human rights violation. What if some of them where not involved, or the pirates hijacked the boat and the crew was in need of rescue.
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The Russian navy doesn't screw around, that's for sure.
It's kind of hard to hold the Russians to the same standard as our culture here in the U.S. (though, we have abandoned much of our 'rights of the accused' principles).
If it shocks you, then you haven't been paying attention to the Russian naval actions against piracy.
Not making excuses, just saying that's the way it is.
This is an old video as well, OP, as it was posted on youtube May 15, 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrkcQJ9i2I
It's kind of hard to hold the Russians to the same standard as our culture here in the U.S. (though, we have abandoned much of our 'rights of the accused' principles).
If it shocks you, then you haven't been paying attention to the Russian naval actions against piracy.
Not making excuses, just saying that's the way it is.
This is an old video as well, OP, as it was posted on youtube May 15, 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTrkcQJ9i2I
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When you loot and pillage people sometimes it comes back at you. I have a hard time feeling bad about this.
At the same time:
This makes me change my mind.
At the same time:
This makes me change my mind.
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I believe those with hostile intentions should be dealt with appropriatly.
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intentions and actions are two different things
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Wow. So many comments in favor of the initiation of force and unreasonable levels of violence. War Mongers for Ron Paul?
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Did you see all those guns? These pirates were not on a luxury cruise or out photographing dolphins. I understand they had already pirated a Russia tanker. The Russians performed what in essence was a Marque of Reprisal. This is not a war tactic but meant to stop greater loss of innocent life. It is what RP suggested as the method to go after Bin Laden.
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This is the Russian Navy. That's all you need to know.
Hmm the injured guy and some others looked like pakistanis... The description doesn't have to be accurate, thats why you have trials.
The somali piracy started when local fisherman were angered by the fact that almost all fish was taken by fishing trawlers from Asia because of the fact that Somalia does't have a coast guard, and because of dumpings of toxic waste from Europe
What if the russians are wrong? What if the somali pirates boarded a fishing trawler from Pakistan? What if there were pakistani fishermen on board that didnt have anything to do with piracy? No, I think I prefer the rule of law, and if the laws are not enough - change them!
The somali piracy started when local fisherman were angered by the fact that almost all fish was taken by fishing trawlers from Asia because of the fact that Somalia does't have a coast guard, and because of dumpings of toxic waste from Europe
What if the russians are wrong? What if the somali pirates boarded a fishing trawler from Pakistan? What if there were pakistani fishermen on board that didnt have anything to do with piracy? No, I think I prefer the rule of law, and if the laws are not enough - change them!
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Somali pirates may have started out that way, but they are no longer angry fishermen. They're mostly controlled and financed by warlords and insurgents who use the money to live lavish lives and fund their insungency and terrorism.
And I highly doubt this was a Pakistani fishing trawler, it's awfully far from Pakistan to make much sense.
I'm pretty sure that the pirates are mostly not fisherman but mostly common thugs...mostly. Mostly doesn't indicate however if there are any significant common fisherman who target fishing trawlers.
Well there are several cases
A Taiwanese fishing trawler
http://www.newstimeafrica.com/archives/10828
Indian navy sinks Thai fishing trawler boarded by somali pirates, thinking that it was a pirate ship.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/26/piracy
And then a similar case to the case I thought was a probable scenario with the Russian navy where Somali pirates hijacked a Pakistani fishing vessel, that was used to hijack other ships, the crew on board it seems. Ironically I just found this case , not hearing about it before.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8441855.stm
There are other cases of fishing trawlers from Asia hijacked by Somali pirates.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia
And
Since the problems of overfishing has not ended,and costing hundreds of millions in a country with a a total GDP of 5 BUSD, its reasonable to assume that fishing trawlers are targets by people who do not want to become pirates, but do not want to be robbed by their livelihood.
My argument is not that that criminal thugs that kidnap families and legal companies ships are innocent, just that some of the Somali pirates might be doing the thing that would be done by a government.
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I have no problem killing the pirates who are out pirating, as a job.
However, I do think they should be tried appropriately.
Why?
Is it reasonable to kill a guy who lets say, was hired by the real pirates, to help maintain the engine on the pirates ship, or some other such task, and is not really involved at all in the actual pirating? (ie didn't brandish a weapon, etc.).
In other words, I'd hate to learn that people were killed for simply being on the pirate ship if they were not themselves violent or looters, but were just trying to make some money performing a job for some menial income.
I have no idea if any such persons would be on a pirate ship, but this is what I'd worry about.
However, I do think they should be tried appropriately.
Why?
Is it reasonable to kill a guy who lets say, was hired by the real pirates, to help maintain the engine on the pirates ship, or some other such task, and is not really involved at all in the actual pirating? (ie didn't brandish a weapon, etc.).
In other words, I'd hate to learn that people were killed for simply being on the pirate ship if they were not themselves violent or looters, but were just trying to make some money performing a job for some menial income.
I have no idea if any such persons would be on a pirate ship, but this is what I'd worry about.
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What was unreasonable about it? They started it, Russia finished it. Seems reasonable.
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