Ron's final four minutes - he nailed it!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

This was by far Dr. Pauls worse performance in my opinion. (But then he has done very well until now..)

troll?

 

[Ron Paul Fan]

Ron Paul was great as usual. I especially liked his closing remark and when he got angry about the other candidates being hypocritcal promoting American sovereignty while at the same time promoting the Iraq War unjustly enforced by UN resolutions. Best line of the night: "That's criminal!" -Ron Paul

 

[quickmike]

I was wondering where Ron disppeared to after the debate! I didnt see him signing autographs...it happens after every debate....awesome

yeah, I was saying to myself "where the hell did ron dissapear to?" then when the camera panned out, I saw him going down into the crowd to sign a bunch of autographs for a pretty big crowd of people in the front all with their hands out.

I should have known. I got a pretty good chuckle out of that bit.

 

[michaelwise]

In the lighting round, or whatever they called it, Ron was they only one not pandering. In fact, he was the only one who didn't pander at all. His closing statement sounded very presidential.

 

[crhoades]

Ron Paul's closing 4 min. - Totalitarian State

Did you guys catch that. Said that we're heading to a totalitarian state. That beats using 'Empire'. Does anyone remember the quote?

 

[smhbbag]

Absolutely, and it's a welcome change, for me. "Empire" is not wrong, but this is much better.

And hey, do I know you?

 

[atilla]

i think ron paul said several strong things in the closing which i hadn't heard him say in the campaign so far. maybe this has been brewing on the campaign trail and he finally busted out. or, i was also thinking maybe this debate, having to red light so many issues against the "expected" answer made him realize that time is getting short and he should take every opportunity to speak the truth undiluted, damn the political consequences.

if we see this kind of fire, (the closing speech) on the campaign trail down the stretch we could defiantly see some fireworks.

 

[DJ RP]

Also did you hear as the camera panned out right at the very end and there were cheers for the event people were all chanting "ron paul ron paul"

 

[brumans]

Youtube?

I missed it.

 

[dircha]

troll?

Reality isn't a troll.

Ron Paul is a candidate for the Republican nomination for president.

The purpose of attending this debate was to win over as much of the audience as possible to support him in this endeavor.

This debate was watched and listened to primarily by religious conservatives.

By choosing to present his stances divisively without understanding and adapting to his target audience by framing the issues in a winning message, Dr. Paul hurts himself more than helped.

Attentive religious conservative voters, who just like most voters are not politically savvy, will come away from tonight's debate under the impression that Ron Paul supports illegal pornographers, defends the so-called homosexual agenda, supports indecency on our televisions, turns a deaf ear to slavery and suffering around the world, and believes that our troops are dying in vain in Iraq in an immoral and un-Christian war.

Right or wrong, correct or incorrect, these are the impressions of Dr. Paul that politically unsophisticated religious conservative voters will take away from this debate, because rather than present a winning message, rather than avoid divisive issues, and rather than articulately frame his stances in a positive light, Dr. Paul presented a mixed and confusing message without a satisfactorily articulated explanation.

These are the stances that will alienate religious conservative voters in 2008. Alienating these voters is what threatened to lose Bush the presidency in 2004, and lost the Republicans control of Congress in 2006.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE HEAR.

 

[Ron Paul Fan]

So Ron Paul should pander to these people and tell them what they want to hear or just not go at all? NO! He should remain consistent on his views and get his name out there. He did get 2nd in the debate among these people. I say that Dr. Paul should stick to his guns and not pander to voters! If he had answered yes with all the others on some of those devisive issues then he may have alienated some of us. So then what do you do? I think Ron Paul did just fine in this debate and I continue to support him 100%!

 

[MsDoodahs]

If Ron had pandered, I'd have stopped all support for the campaign.

That is not Ron. He is a man of integrity, not a lying sack of shit that will say whatever it takes to get votes from special interest groups.

 

[american.swan]

If Ron had pandered, I'd have stopped all support for the campaign.

That is not Ron. He is a man of integrity, not a lying sack of shit that will say whatever it takes to get votes from special interest groups.

Ron Paul from this debate on YouTube....I missed his responses. and I really want to see the last 4 minutes

 

[10thAmendmentMan]

Ron Paul from this debate on YouTube....I missed his responses. and I really want to see the last 4 minutes

Seconded. Someone post the YouTube URL once it's up (and I know it will be at some point).

 

[jb4ronpaul]

some of those idiots would boo Jesus himself if he showed up and came out against the war

that is so true. Remember who killed Jesus, it was the religious leaders who set him up because he was a threat to their power.

 

[dircha]

So Ron Paul should pander to these people and tell them what they want to hear or just not go at all? NO! He should remain consistent on his views and get his name out there. He did get 2nd in the debate among these people. I say that Dr. Paul should stick to his guns and not pander to voters! If he had answered yes with all the others on some of those devisive issues then he may have alienated some of us. So then what do you do? I think Ron Paul did just fine in this debate and I continue to support him 100%!

But there is a world of difference between saying what you believe to be untrue, and needlessly shooting yourself in the foot.

"Pandering" is not a dirty word. Pandering is what wins elections. It means understanding your audience, framing your issues in your favor, and presenting a winning message.

People on these forums cheer when Dr. Paul says things that needlessly offend and alienate the very voters he will need if he is to have any chance to win the nomination. Don't cheer for that. This isn't a national speaking tour. This is an election.

I get the impression that many of Ron Paul's supporters are more than happy to continue to financially support him just to conduct a national lecture circuit. Not me.

 

[Tuck]

damn I missed it, is it going to be on youtube soon?

 

[ctb619]

But there is a world of difference between saying what you believe to be untrue, and needlessly shooting yourself in the foot.

"Pandering" is not a dirty word. Pandering is what wins elections. It means understanding your audience, framing your issues in your favor, and presenting a winning message.

People on these forums cheer when Dr. Paul says things that needlessly offend and alienate the very voters he will need if he is to have any chance to win the nomination. Don't cheer for that. This isn't a national speaking tour. This is an election.

I get the impression that many of Ron Paul's supporters are more than happy to continue to financially support him just to conduct a national lecture circuit. Not me.

actually pandering in a political context is a dirty word

 

[MsDoodahs]

actually pandering in a political context is a dirty word

QFT.

 

[RonPaulStreetTeam]

*waits for youtube video*