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Why are you bringing up reperations when that isn't the topic? And I'm not a Democrat so you're just being ridiculous. How many liberal democrats support arming teachers? Back on reaprations since you brought that up. Nazi companies Ford and GM got reprations as a reward for their treason in Wolrd War 2. Japanese Americans got reperations for internment camps that actually had some justification considering that there were Japanese civilian spies who scouted out Pearl Harbor. And yet black people who survived the Tusla massacre can't get reparations when they are still alive?. So no. Reparations aren't simply about money for slavery for people who weren't slaves. That's a red herring.
Back to the topic at hand. What is your actual plan? Do you have one? Or is this just a talking point? Are you planning on screening every potential mass shooter and locking them up ahead of time pre-crime style? Make sure they're all properly medicated? Which medicane? Some meidcations can cause some people (young men in particular) to become suicidal and/or homicidal. Hey, I know. We'll just take their guns away once the government has property screened them. Oh wait. That's going to cover a lot of vets with PTSD. Like the PTSD vet that Chris Kyle took to the gun range for "shooting therapy" only to be shot and killed by him. (That vet killed only killed two people so it wasn't a mass shooting).
Really, while making sure mental health available is a good thing in general, it's got nothing to do with stopping mass shootings unless you're willing to actually start violating the civil rights of the people that you think might do a mass shooting. No amount of counseling or thearpy or meds can guarantee that someone who really has mental health issues won't turn violent. I know. I have a sibling that works as a mental health nurse and a relative with mental health problems. People with violent mental health issues are like people with cancer. The best you can say is "They're in remission." What can stop mass shootings at the places people actually care about? Hardening tragets and shortening response times. The Uvalde shooter was given 4 hours to kill as many kids as he wanted to. The Nashville shooter was dead 7 minutes from the time the 911 call was placed. The Ulvalde shooter was able to get into a side door that had been propped open for reasons I don't know. The Nashville shooter shot her way in through the glass front doors. Simply putting shatter resistant film on the doors would have slowed her down long enough that the police might have gotten there before she made her way inside.
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I know you're already in favor of this but arming adults in schools, from teachers to coaches to janitors.
When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.
Nobody said the kid is gay.
The father didn't say the kid is gay. He just says that other people called him gay. I remember middle school and guys were constantly calling each other h0m0s and f@gg0ts just for laughs. It was pretty ordinary behavior. People want to play up the gay angle to try and make the story more interesting.
The father didn't say the kid is gay. He just says that other people called him gay. I remember middle school and guys were constantly calling each other h0m0s and f@gg0ts just for laughs. It was pretty ordinary behavior. People want to play up the gay angle to try and make the story more interesting.
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How come the Sec. of Education is never on the hot seat during one of these??
Imagine any other organization that kept having their people shot up... If this was Amazon and there was a mass shooting every couple of months by a person they worked with every day, I'm sure we'd have a chat with the CEO... But the Dept of Education and with KIDS, no less!! Not a peep. Kids in your care during half of their waking hours come into your building and kill people on a fairly regular basis, but you get off scot-free??!
Imagine if the republicans had balls...
Imagine any other organization that kept having their people shot up... If this was Amazon and there was a mass shooting every couple of months by a person they worked with every day, I'm sure we'd have a chat with the CEO... But the Dept of Education and with KIDS, no less!! Not a peep. Kids in your care during half of their waking hours come into your building and kill people on a fairly regular basis, but you get off scot-free??!
Imagine if the republicans had balls...
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Sure, I know it's the Daily Fail, but if that quote is accurate the father said the kids said "Oh look, he's dating that guy".
Sounds pretty queeer to me.
Time will tell I suppose...if this story gets memory holed suddenly than you can be pretty sure, he was another violent weirdosexual.
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You are, of course, 100% correct. But I keep running into people who reflexively think "More guns in the school equals more crime." I seriously heard someone I know say that. I had a elderly cousin who back in the 1950s when she taught high school would put her pistol on her desk every day. I have another cousin who recently retired as a principal who got the FBI civilian training and took a gun to school and hired military vets to work as janitors or cooks and secretly double as school security. And when I bring this up with members of my family who can't see the "arm the teachers" argument, they say "But that's differnt. I trust so and so." Okay. So you trust random strangers to have access to your children were, if they're really evil, they could molest them or stab them to death with a school kitchen knife, but heaven forbid they actually have a means to stop a mass shooting because you don't trust them? SMH.
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Okay. Let's assume for a minute he's gay. And? He didn't shoot people because he's gay. He shot people because he was bullied. I recently posted a story of parents suing the Chelsae Alabama high school because their son committed suicide because he was buillied. The parents asked prior to the suicide to allow remote education and were denied. Someone should have at least told them that free homeschooling was an option. Anyway, being bullied seems to be a pattern in a lot of these school shootings. I was bullied at the private Christian boarding acadaemy I went to. You couldn't put a Van Halen poster on your dorm wall because "rock music is of the devil", but one kid had a KKK cartoon on the wall. I still remember it. I could probably sktech it out and that's over 30 years ago. And no that's nto all that happened but I don't feel like reliving that crap. The bullying only stopped several years later when some freshmen, the normal targets of the bullying, decided to fight back and let it be known that the would. So finally the boys dean, who had before say this as all "fun and games" made it clear that it would no longer be tollerated and just like that it stopped. Of course you can't stop everything. The bullying I experienced was physical. Kids are now deleting themselves, and others, over words. In some cases the words are posted online. I'm not sure what the answer to that is. The private academy I went to was small. Maybe 120 to 160 kids max. The boys dean could stop the physical bullying with just a word. I'm not sure what you do with the modern mini-city high schools with thousands of students jammed in them.
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Physically bullied?
I was almost murdered on two occasions, in addition to getting bullied on a daily basis, at the all black high school I went to for two years until, essentially, running away from home and going to sea.
The solution, as is usually the case, is simple, but nobody has the stomach for it because it is too "harsh".
1 - Homeschooling above all.
2 - Small, segregated, by race and sex, schools for those who can not homeschool. This is to include teachers as well, especially in the male academies, where they are to be uniformed and physically fit.
3 - Treatment of weirdosexualism as the dangerous mental illness it is.
4 - Students taking SSRIs are prohibited from attending.
Lots of people get bullied for lots of reasons.
I think the difference is that the weirdosexuals are telling each other that's it's perfectly OK to go slaughter the "cis gender scum" when it happens to them.
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media guilty of way too much surmising and so are we
I’m kind of surprised that Andy Ngo was so quick to jump to this conclusion. I thought he was much more discerning. Will remember this about Andy Ngo and numerous others I had previously considered reasonably trustworthy.
Also it’s been reported that he was angry about how transgenders are treated, but then there was some reversal saying he was mad that transgenders were too accepted. Which one is it? I don't think the father ever mentioned anything about transiness either and he's in no position to correct the record about what he actually said about his son now, is he?
And by the way, if some fellow student(s) got off on antagonizing this one kid - which is a thing I think we all know can happen - who’s to say that the statements on Discord weren’t actually posted by the same person(s) and worded to appear like it was the Gray kid in an effort to further humiliate him? What’s the explanation behind the account having a phone number associated with someone other than Gray who lives in a different town? Who was that person?
Bear in mind the kid was only 13 at the time of the interview and really hadn’t had time to establish much of a sexual history one way or the other.
Sure, it’s always possible he is gay and/or trans and he wrote all those discord comments and always planned this school shooting. I just haven’t seen any facts making any of that part clear. It’s like the media is leading us along with a bunch of maybes, but no hard facts, and everybody’s falling for it - piecing together their own stories and currently certain he shot people because he’s definitely gay or trans. The fathers reported words never stated that at all.
The father referred only to things people said to his son to antagonize him. If they accused him of “dating” some friend he hung out with, that’s just a variation of calling him queeer and does not mean he was actually dating a guy or was queeer. The father himself never said, “my son is gay” or “my son has a boyfriend”. (Did he? I haven’t seen those actual words anywhere.)
I’m kind of surprised that Andy Ngo was so quick to jump to this conclusion. I thought he was much more discerning. Will remember this about Andy Ngo and numerous others I had previously considered reasonably trustworthy.
Also it’s been reported that he was angry about how transgenders are treated, but then there was some reversal saying he was mad that transgenders were too accepted. Which one is it? I don't think the father ever mentioned anything about transiness either and he's in no position to correct the record about what he actually said about his son now, is he?
And by the way, if some fellow student(s) got off on antagonizing this one kid - which is a thing I think we all know can happen - who’s to say that the statements on Discord weren’t actually posted by the same person(s) and worded to appear like it was the Gray kid in an effort to further humiliate him? What’s the explanation behind the account having a phone number associated with someone other than Gray who lives in a different town? Who was that person?
Bear in mind the kid was only 13 at the time of the interview and really hadn’t had time to establish much of a sexual history one way or the other.
Sure, it’s always possible he is gay and/or trans and he wrote all those discord comments and always planned this school shooting. I just haven’t seen any facts making any of that part clear. It’s like the media is leading us along with a bunch of maybes, but no hard facts, and everybody’s falling for it - piecing together their own stories and currently certain he shot people because he’s definitely gay or trans. The fathers reported words never stated that at all.
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Yeah, imagine that.
I have been tending to my MIL who has been in and out of hospital these last couple of days.
So I have been exposed to MSM much more than usual.
This story has been non stop on all cable news and network news for the last few days.
This is the point I was making when I said, factually, that there is limited or no coverage of a mass shooting if the shooter does not fit the agenda.
If it comes out for sure, that this kid was a weirdosexual, the coverage will cease like you flipped a switch.
That they do.
And who, exactly, is a "fascist"?
Why, anybody who's not a fagggot, of course.
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The freshmen kids at the "Christian" school I went to who put a stop to the bullying by threatening to fight back were white so your "solution" of segregation is BS. I have a better idea. Segregate the bullies. (As in kick them out of school). Problem solved.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Brian4Liberty again.
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Why?
Blacks perform better and graduate at significantly higher rates at HBCUs than at other, non-segregated schools.
Why would they not do better at a segregated high school or academy?
Hey, I’m surprised they’re not calling him a white supremacist since the 2 kids he killed were non-white. Can’t believe no one has brought it up. (The 2 teachers he killed are white.)Yeah, imagine that.
I have been tending to my MIL who has been in and out of hospital these last couple of days.
So I have been exposed to MSM much more than usual.
This story has been non stop on all cable news and network news for the last few days.
This is the point I was making when I said, factually, that there is limited or no coverage of a mass shooting if the shooter does not fit the agenda.
If it comes out for sure, that this kid was a weirdosexual, the coverage will cease like you flipped a switch.
That they do.
And who, exactly, is a "fascist"?
Why, anybody who's not a fagggot, of course.
Anyway, the more I read about this kid’s family, the sorrier I feel for them, even the father now. What a mess!
It seems the mother is the soul-crushing psycho of this bunch - drug addict, drunk, been in jail more than once, would lock the kids out of the house at night, found passed out in the driveway with car still running and music blaring? A neighbor says child protective services was there on a regular basis - fat lot of good they did, right? At some point, the older son (Colt) went to live with the father, and the mother still takes care of his 2 younger siblings. Yikes!
I guess the father was trying to help him find things to be interested in. Buying the gun struck me as a very bad idea at first, but then, he also tried to get him to play golf. I don’t feel there’s realistically a whole lot a parent can do for a kid who’s being bullied at school, short of letting him quit school, or moving. And everyone says the kid was just quiet - not outwardly angry.
This is just sad and I find myself resenting the media for encouraging us to hate the father over this, when there was so much else going on. How many professionals (child protective services) were involved that might have intervened on the kid’s behalf - but didn’t. Instead FBI targeted them, possibly put the idea in boy’s head, and are now exploiting them both in the name of gun control.
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I thought you were trying to stop school shooting? But I guess that's just a smokescreen.
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