Ron Paul's immigration position from 2007

[Swordsmyth]

Is superfluous a synonym of stupid?

It means "useless".

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

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  [*=left]Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  [*=left]Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  [*=left]No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  [*=left]No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  [*=left]End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  [*=left]Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

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"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007




We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

 

[invisible]

It would be dishonest to leave out the rest of it, so I will kindly provide the part that's missing:

And of course, we can't forget the rest of Ron Paul's positions that also apply:
*No government spying
*No "papers, please" mentality
*No biometrics
*No walling our country in
*Let anyone come here and work, without the benefits of citizenship
*End welfare entirely
*No abuse of prisoners in US custody


It is important to keep these policies in mind, as they differ significantly from trump's policies:
*Expanded use of biometrics
*Increased government spying
*Expanded police state and "papers, please" mentality
*Attempting to wall our country in
*No significant attempts to end welfare
*Abuse of immigrants held in concentration camps

This is what the trumpettes and shylls are attempting to sell everyone, under the guise of immigration policy. Ron Paul =/= trump!
If one is to genuinely support Ron Paul on immigration, then one opposes trump on immigration.

You are the leftist.

More direct opposition to Ron Paul. Calling someone who genuinely supports Ron Paul a leftist is the typical attack used when those who oppose him are unable to defend their indefensible positions. It's really funny to hear that from a guy who is the loudest voice here for turning our country into north korea or east germany, complete with spying on people, biometrics, "papers, please" mentality, abusing people in concentration caps, and wall. If you are genuine about supporting Ron Paul on immigration, then go ahead and denounce trump for those things. Put up or shut up.

 

[Superfluous Man]

It means stopping , anyone and everyone from coming into the country that
we do not wish to enter.

The problem with what you guys are saying is that you just assume that Ron Paul agrees with you about whom he doesn't want to enter. He has clearly said over and over that he does not. You say "we" like there's some monolithic American opinion. There isn't. You have your opinion. I have mine. Ron Paul has his. And whatever your opinion is, you don't have a moral right to impose it on all the rest of us.

If someone wants to come here to work and not go on welfare, Ron Paul says he wants them to be able to.

To take some sound byte that doesn't actually contradict that position and twist it into him saying that he does support stopping people from immigrating here peacefully to work is dishonest.

 

[timosman]

The problem with what you guys are saying is that you just assume that Ron Paul agrees with you about whom he doesn't want to enter. He has clearly said over and over that he does not. You say "we" like there's some monolithic American opinion. There isn't. You have your opinion. I have mine. Ron Paul has his. And whatever your opinion is, you don't have a moral right to impose it on all the rest of us.

If someone wants to come here to work and not go on welfare, Ron Paul says he wants them to be able to.

To take some sound byte that doesn't actually contradict that position and twist it into him saying that he does support stopping people from immigrating here peacefully to work is dishonest.

Playing dumb? Again?

 

[nikcers]

The problem with what you guys are saying is that you just assume that Ron Paul agrees with you about whom he doesn't want to enter. He has clearly said over and over that he does not. You say "we" like there's some monolithic American opinion. There isn't. You have your opinion. I have mine. Ron Paul has his. And whatever your opinion is, you don't have a moral right to impose it on all the rest of us.

If someone wants to come here to work and not go on welfare, Ron Paul says he wants them to be able to.

To take some sound byte that doesn't actually contradict that position and twist it into him saying that he does support stopping people from immigrating here peacefully to work is dishonest.

can u read?

Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

 

[Superfluous Man]

can u read?

Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

If we let them come in legally, then that number would be near zero.

For most of us, that's part of the "whatever it takes." I get that for you it isn't. But that goes right back to the problem of you quoting sound bytes like that and pretending they mean that Ron Paul supports your views in the face of countless examples of him saying that he doesn't.

 

[nikcers]

If we let them come in legally, then that number would be near zero.

For most of us, that's part of the "whatever it takes." I get that for you it isn't. But that goes right back to the problem of you quoting sound bytes like that and pretending they mean that Ron Paul supports your views in the face of countless examples of him saying that he doesn't.

Do whatever it takes to do immigration reform before we do immigration reform. LOL

 

[Superfluous Man]

Do whatever it takes to do immigration reform before we do immigration reform. LOL

I think the "immigration reform" he was talking about was dealing with those already here unlawfully, as in amnesty versus deportation versus other approaches in between those extremes. He didn't want to grant amnesty to people who had crossed the border illegally while we still had unlimited numbers crossing the border illegally, since that would create incentive for more to do that. But if the illegal border crossings could be stopped, then something could be done with those already here that would allow them to stay without incentivizing more illegal crossing.

Of course, part of what could be done is making it easier to come here legally in the first place.

 

[nikcers]

I think the "immigration reform" he was talking about was dealing with those already here unlawfully, as in amnesty versus deportation versus other approaches in between those extremes. He didn't want to grant amnesty to people who had crossed the border illegally while we still had unlimited numbers crossing the border illegally, since that would create incentive for more to do that.

Thats why he says "No amnesty"

 

[Superfluous Man]

Thats why he says "No amnesty"

Because that's his position. He has always said that.

But note that he also wants to give them a way to stay here without getting deported that he does not consider amnesty.

 

[nikcers]

Because that's his position. He has always said that.

But note that he also wants to give them a way to stay here without getting deported that he does not consider amnesty.

"deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law."

 

[Superfluous Man]

"deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law."

But on many occasions he has said we can't and he doesn't support deporting all of them. Coming up with a legal way to do that would be part of the immigration reform he was talking about.

Also, note that if we let someone enter and stay legally, then they wouldn't be a violator of US law. The quote you give here is only about dealing with illegal immigration, not the question of more or less legal immigration.

 

[nikcers]

But on many occasions he has said we can't and he doesn't support deporting all of them. Coming up with a legal way to do that would be part of the immigration reform he was talking about.

Also, note that if we let someone enter and stay legally, then they wouldn't be a violator of US law. The quote you give here is only about dealing with illegal immigration, not the question of more or less legal immigration.

The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

 

[Superfluous Man]

The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

So you're saying that Ron Paul supported changing the current incoherent and unfair system to one where the same rules and waiting periods applied to legal immigrants from all countries.

How is that not what I've said?

It's pretty obvious from that quote that Ron Paul supported increasing legal immigration.

 

[nikcers]

So you're saying that Ron Paul supported changing the current incoherent and unfair system to one where the same rules and waiting periods applied to legal immigrants from all countries.

How is that not what I've said?

It's pretty obvious from that quote that Ron Paul supported increasing legal immigration.

No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

 

[Stratovarious]

The problem with what you guys are saying is that you just assume that Ron Paul agrees with you about whom he doesn't want to enter. He has clearly said over and over that he does not. You say "we" like there's some monolithic American opinion. There isn't. You have your opinion. I have mine. Ron Paul has his. And whatever your opinion is, you don't have a moral right to impose it on all the rest of us.

If someone wants to come here to work and not go on welfare, Ron Paul says he wants them to be able to.

To take some sound byte that doesn't actually contradict that position and twist it into him saying that he does support stopping people from immigrating here peacefully to work is dishonest.

Your Opinion in my view is that of a foreign intruder, paid , with a Open Border , Globalist agenda,
argumentative with anyone that opposes those views to the tedious point of exhaustive boredom,
so all I can say honestly, is; ''go love yourself''.

 

[Superfluous Man]

Your Opinion in my view is that of a foreign intruder, paid , with a Open Border , Globalist agenda,
argumentative with anyone that opposes those views to the tedious point of exhaustive boredom,
so all I can say honestly, is; ''go love yourself''.

Why are you here then, if you feel that way about Ron Paul's positions?

You realize this website is called the "Ron Paul Forums." Right?

 

[nikcers]

Why are you here then, if you feel that way about Ron Paul's positions?

You realize this website is called the "Ron Paul Forums." Right?

Where has Ron Paul ever said we need more legal immigrants without changing the rules on birthright citizenship and welfare and other social services? Ill give you this one, he hasn't.

 

[Stratovarious]

Why are you here then, if you feel that way about Ron Paul's positions?

You realize this website is called the "Ron Paul Forums." Right?

Ron Paul is a libertarian his views are close to mine yours are in la la land, land
lf the idiots.
Go start your own open border utopia, and fk the fk off while you're there.