Ron Paul's immigration position from 2007

[invisible]

Ron Paul was very clear and explicit in what it would take to secure our borders. Using that line to shyll for trump's big government police state is more direct opposition to Ron Paul.

 

[nikcers]

Ron Paul was very clear and explicit in what it would take to secure our borders. Using that line to shyll for trump's big government police state is more direct opposition to Ron Paul.

Where does he say that on his 2007 presidential platform, the one he said "Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.". Bringing all the troops home from all the bases in the world isn't possible without Ron Pauls monetary policy. You can't seperate monetary policy and foreign policy Ron Paul has said that. Trump can't unilaterally change the monetary system of our government. So this is doing whatever it takes to secure the border because if we let unlimited people come here that take more money out of our unfunded liabilities it is a disaster for the economy and leaves the border wide open for bad actors to come here and do our country harm.

 

[PAF]

Well said, [MENTION=19708]invisible[/MENTION]. To follow up...

Doctor Ron Paul would never advocate:

- Deprive children of sleep
- Sleep on concrete floors
- 24/7 artificial light
- Unsanitary conditions


He would also never advocate Government Eminent Domain to take rightful private property, close up/reporting businesses, or divide families and towns with a wall, a wall of which is miles and miles away from the actual border which is the Rio Grande.

When Ron Paul states "we must do whatever it takes", it is, or should be well understood that "we must do whatever it takes" in accordance to Freedom, Liberty and Fiscal Responsibility. Taking any single one of those out of the equation would only propagate what we are trying to prevent.

Whatever Ron Paul outlined in 2007, he has made crystal clear in his writings and videos from 2011 to present, and that is the message Ron wishes to continue.

End Welfare/Incentives.
End Birthright citizenship.
Protect our borders and what our border stands for (Bill of Rights, NOT Constitution-Free Zones), and NOT wall ourselves in/out.

Neocon Shills who are repulsed by the mere mention of Libertarians, AnCaps, etc., and strive for FACISM will continuously beat over and over again that "we must do whatever it takes" to the point of stripping everybody of their Natural Born Rights, including shoot to kill on sight and depriving locked up children of sleep, claiming it will "protect our freedoms".


For those who are that hate-filled and MUST see to it that we "militarize" our country "whatever it takes", how about moving the Border Patrol down to the Rio Grande where the actual border is, instead of mucking with Private Property and human beings lives 50-100 miles in. Perhaps the "Constitution-Free Zone" can then be eliminated, get Fed.gov OFF OUR BACKS, and actually save us a buck for cheapos like me.



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Jan 8, 2019

 

[Superfluous Man]

Are you seriously not understanding what whatever it takes means

It's you who fails to, or rather refuses to, understand what Ron Paul meant by that. You keep trying to extrapolate from his use of those words that he must have advocated policies that he has always consistently and explicitly repudiated.

Ron Paul never said, "We must do whatever nikcers thinks is necessary to secure our borders."

We need to let Ron Paul in his own words explain what he meant by that. You don't get to put your own words in his mouth.

 

[nikcers]

It's you who fails to, or rather refuses to, understand what Ron Paul meant by that. You keep trying to extrapolate from his use of those words that he must have advocated policies that he has always consistently and explicitly repudiated.

Ron Paul never said, "We must do whatever nikcers thinks is necessary to secure our borders."

We need to let Ron Paul in his own words explain what he meant by that. You don't get to put your own words in his mouth.

no, specifically "Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals." It doesn't say nickers at all.

 

[nikcers]

whatever it takes (uncountable)

(idiomatic, sometimes euphemistic for improper behavior) Anything, including measures which may be extreme or wrongful, that is required to achieve an objective.

 

[Superfluous Man]

It doesn't say nickers at all.

Exactly.

And yet somehow you keep trying to twist it into meaning whatever it is you want it to mean, rather than letting Ron Paul's own explanations of his positions speak for themselves.

 

[nikcers]

Exactly.

And yet somehow you keep trying to twist it into meaning whatever it is you want it to mean, rather than letting Ron Paul's own explanations of his positions speak for themselves.

No i am just saying that Trump is doing whatever it takes to physically secure the border. He has been the first president to actually do something about this problem.

 

[Superfluous Man]

No i am just saying that Trump is doing whatever it takes to physically secure the border. He has been the first president to actually do something about this problem.

We get that you think that. Just don't pretend that the things Trump's doing that make you think that are things Ron Paul supports or try to twist his "whatever it takes" line into support of policies he has always repudiated.

 

[nikcers]

We get that you think that. Just don't pretend that the things Trump's doing that make you think that are things Ron Paul supports or try to twist his "whatever it takes" line into support of policies he has always repudiated.

He doesn't speak in policies he speaks in philosophies. You are the one twisting Ron Paul's words to mean what you want it to mean.

 

[Superfluous Man]

He doesn't speak in policies he speaks in philosopphies [sic].

He does both. All the time.

 

[nikcers]

He does both. All the time.

No he is not a legislator anymore, he just tries to push his message of liberty and limited government. When he was a legislator he talked about securing the border with sattelites and other technologies than a wall. And when he ran for president he said whatever it takes to physically secure the border and control entry into the country. That's not taking what he says out of context thats looking at his exact statement. How do you physically secure something without a wall or control entry into this country without asking for papers??

 

[CCTelander]

whatever it takes (uncountable)

(idiomatic, sometimes euphemistic for improper behavior) Anything, including measures which may be extreme or wrongful, that is required to achieve an objective.

And there you have it. The real position of many of the immigration hard liners. "Anything, including measures which may be EXTREME OR WRONGFUL..." (Emphasis added)

...including measures which may be extreme or wrongful..."

Think about that.

 

[nikcers]

And there you have it. The real position of many of the immigration hard liners. "Anything, including measures which may be EXTREME OR WRONGFUL..." (Emphasis added)

...including measures which may be extreme or wrongful..."

Think about that.

That's Ron Paul's policy. I guess he is an immigration hard liner.

 

[CCTelander]

That's Ron Paul's policy. I guess he is an immigration hard liner.

If you actually believe that that is what Ron meant then you have lost any semblance of reason and common sense you may have ever possessed. Everything Ron has ever said or done repudiates such an interpretation.

 

[nikcers]

If you actually believe that that is what Ron meant then you have lost any semblance of reason and common sense you may have ever possessed. Everything Ron has ever said or done repudiates such an interpretation.

So you think he lied about the platform he was running on in 2007 when he said whatever it takes he didnt mean whatever it takes???

 

[PAF]

So you think he lied about the platform he was running on in 2007 when he said whatever it takes he didnt mean whatever it takes???

"We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals."

Control does not mean prevent.

Ron has made clear that birthright citizenship and welfare/incentives must stop - not restricting employment/work, taking private property or implementing "Constitution-Free" Zones. Certainly not shoot to kill on sight as some are now advocating.

 

[Swordsmyth]

More direct opposition to Ron Paul. Calling Ron Paul a leftist is the typical attack used when those who oppose him are unable to defend their indefensible positions.


Because Ron Paul's and trump's positions on how they would secure the border are in direct opposition to each other.

You are the leftist.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul's position from 2007:

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

• 
  [*=left]Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
  [*=left]Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
  [*=left]No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
  [*=left]No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
  [*=left]End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
  [*=left]Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

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"I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently." - Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007




We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country

Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.

No amnesty.

End birthright citizenship

current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity.

 

[timosman]

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