Ron Paul will not endorse Gary Johnson

[ronpaulfollower999]

Ok, this just sealed the deal for me. I'm not voting for Johnson.

Be careful LE. I've been getting blasted by some Johnson supporters for being "stuck in a cult of personality" for wanting to write-in Ron Paul (I don't care if they throwout my vote) instead of voting for Gary. Of course that makes no sense, since I supported (not old enough to vote) Chuck Baldwin in 2008 after it was clear Ron wouldn't get the nomination.

The Libertarian Party supporters are just as bad as the Republicans and Democrats when it comes to voting. See that L next to the name, so he must be a good candidate!

 

[TrishW]

Dr. Paul supports a federal amendment banning abortion. He just recognizes that it isn't feasible.

The end result is that as President they would both push for it to become a state issue.... Same result. I do not want my Priest to be my President, nor do I expect my President to be my Priest.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

How many states is the CP on the ballot in? and what's the situation with their Prez/VP candidates? Their bylaws/rules might be more flexible too. Though it's pretty clear that if one or both of the LP candidates stepped down, it would be no problem getting Paul in there.

-t

CP is not an option. They are not on the ballot in enough states to be eligible for the debates, even if they were polling at 15%+.

The only options are:
Republican Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Green Party
Americans Elect

 

[jcarcinogen]

Its clear Benton is protecting the GOP.

 

[octojofo]

The LP went to Paulfest, Johnson addressed the crowd, he's asked time and time again for our votes, how exactly is the LP acting entitled to our support?

Watch his speech from the Paul Fest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLN5NBZ5KU
He seemed rather contrite, asking, almost pleading, "Please, consider me." Not feeling owed anything if you ask me. He as much said he was only running because he felt Ron Paul would never be given the nod by the GOP.

Of course I would still prefer voting for Paul. (Thanks SailingAway for checking on the write-in for RI! ) The "sore loser laws" have been pretty exaggerated. (I've been meaning to check on the overlap- those states that would disallow his name by those laws, with those that do/don't allow wrtite-ins)

I would love if he would go fully indy and form his own party. We NEED another one anyway! Liberty Party anyone?

 

[A_Silent_Majority_Member]

Benton... AGAIN! always Benton... Everytime there is a sign of hope here comes the Benton fertilizer truck. Something is wrong here with this guy. And to those who like to proclaim he dosent say something without Rons approval.. look back to what Jan or feb where benton said the others should just drop out without Dr Pauls approval!

Ron Pauls gains come from grassroots.. grassroots needs good morale and enthusiasm to grow and spread. yet still Benton and his ilk (few on this forum) cant resist the opportunity to piss on any embers they find before they can even have a shot at taking a blaze. one has to ask.. whos side are they really on? sheesh.

I am convinced... Benton has an agenda and it sure as hell isnt and hasnt been Ron Paul 2012

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Ron won't form a new party when he's spent the last 5 years trying to takeover the GOP. He could've been the LP candidate in 2008, but knew the movement would've been much smaller then if he ran as a Republican.

 

[Maltheus]

One of the main things that sours me on Rand is this perception that Ron won't endorse anyone else, so as not to muddy the waters for Rand. We can't really afford to wait another 4-8 years, we need to be getting our message out now. And regardless of how he votes in the Senate, Rand can't too openly promote the liberty message, without compromising his "strategy." We need to expand this movement beyond just the Pauls.

I never expected an endorsement for Johnson, but if he did it right, it would actually help him keep people in the Republican party, rather than ditch it, as so many are doing.

 

[Todd]

That to me implies that Ron will endorse Rmoney. Don't like the tone of the article at all.

Ron backed Chuck Baldwin in 08' who ran on Constitution party ticket and was also on Green party in some states. He didn't even endorse the Libertarian candidate Bob Barr.

I doubt there is anyone running this year who Ron would endorse.

 

[brendan.orourke]

For the record, where and when did anybody actually say that Ron Paul would be making an announcement? I know he's going to be on the show, but I've seen nothing about anything like an announcement.

 

[octojofo]

Ron won't form a new party when he's spent the last 5 years trying to takeover the GOP. He could've been the LP candidate in 2008, but knew the movement would've been much smaller then if he ran as a Republican.

Paul's running as a Republican can be simply explained. He was in the debates! Everyone got to see and hear him (as little as possible but still...)

Moreover, when he did run as a Libertarian, know one even KNEW it! The entire election process is geared to make a 3rd party run impossible! He has gained all he could with the Republicans who don't want him. Now is the time to cut his losses and run 3rd party. (IMHO)

 

[kathy88]

Now, that is an excellent reason!

It's my vote, and I'm not giving it to someone who doesn't deserve it. IMHO Virgil Goode is a better choice. No need to get snarky.

 

[king_nothing_]

Ron backed Chuck Baldwin in 08' who ran on Constitution party ticket and was also on Green party in some states. He didn't even endorse the Libertarian candidate Bob Barr.

I doubt there is anyone running this year who Ron would endorse.

Chuck Baldwin is not Virgil Goode, and Bob Barr is not Gary Johnson. Goode is worse than Baldwin, and Johnson is better than Barr. Ron has already said in an interview that he thinks Gary Johnson is "wonderful and is doing a good job", so I don't think an endorsement is exactly out the question. It will either be Johnson or no one. Oh, and I refuse to take Jesse Benton's word on a single Goddamn thing.

 

[Rebelrouser]

I have come to decide that you have to listen to what Ron says, not to what Benton says. Benton may be right that Ron will not endorse Johnson, but I can't see Ron endorsing Romney. I don't at all doubt that Benton would LIKE him to, though.

All last spring, Ron was consistent in his message.... and Benton was consistent in HIS... but they didn't match.

I couldn't have said it better myself. While we can make a pretty good educated guess that Ron won't "officially" endorse Gary, I wouldn't trust anything Benton says. Honestly though, I think this is the best Gary is going to get from Ron Paul in terms of an endorsement:

“I think he’s wonderful and I think he’s doing a good job and people should look at him and every individual should make up their own mind.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ron-paul-gary-johnson-wonderful-134316.html

Whether one agrees with it or not , Ron has planted his foot firmly in the Republican party. Even if had a change of heart after Tampa, I doubt he'd do anything to jeopardize Rand's standing in the party at this point.

 

[CaptUSA]

Now, that is an excellent reason!

Unfortunately, there's something about Johnson's delivery that just seems off. Of course Ron Paul's delivery turns people off as well, but it also turns people on to his ideas. I'm not so sure Johnson does that.

I like the guy. I don't disparage anyone who plans on voting for him. I hope he does well. But I doubt I'll vote that way. I still plan on voting for Ron Paul whether or not he's on the ballot, but I suppose it is possible I'd be persuaded by Nov.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I couldn't have said it better myself. While we can make a pretty good educated guess that Ron won't "officially" endorse Gary, I wouldn't trust anything Benton says. Honestly though, I think this is the best Gary is going to get from Ron Paul in terms of an endorsement:

“I think he’s wonderful and I think he’s doing a good job and people should look at him and every individual should make up their own mind.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ron-paul-gary-johnson-wonderful-134316.html

Whether one agrees with it or not , Ron has planted his foot firmly in the Republican party. Even if had a change of heart after Tampa, I doubt he'd do anything to jeopardize Rand's standing in the party at this point.

I don't think Ron responds well to atempted blackmail or being held hostage.

 

[The Free Hornet]

The Libertarian Party supporters are just as bad as the Republicans and Democrats when it comes to voting. See that L next to the name, so he must be a good candidate!

Seriously? They could only be "as bad" if you ignore the decision they made to become "Libertarian Party supporters".

In many elections, I have looked for the "(L)", and if I don't see it, I skip that race.

Without specific knowledge that an "(R)" or a "(D)" is worth my vote, they will be ignored. I do give any "(L)" the benefit of the doubt. There are a few exceptions. For example, in some state-offices I will vote against the incumbant regardless of party and favor the most likely usurper.

I don't expect my vote to change outcomes but rather to imperfectly reflect my sentiment. Perhaps the rolly-eye guy - - should be for those with lofty expectations.

As I told a nephew recently, you don't a get prize when you vote for the winner. It's not like taking a test either.

 

[The Free Hornet]

Unfortunately, there's something about Johnson's delivery that just seems off. Of course Ron Paul's delivery turns people off as well, but it also turns people on to his ideas. I'm not so sure Johnson does that.

Some people are an acquired taste and others have to grow on you - not unlike a fungus. Ron Paul is clearly an acquired taste for all but the most prescient. I hope Johhnson ends in that category as well.

 

[nobody's_hero]

He may not endorse anyone.

I think maybe Ron Paul wants us to make our own decisions.

 

[sailingaway]

Watch his speech from the Paul Fest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLN5NBZ5KU
He seemed rather contrite, asking, almost pleading, "Please, consider me." Not feeling owed anything if you ask me. He as much said he was only running because he felt Ron Paul would never be given the nod by the GOP.

Of course I would still prefer voting for Paul. (Thanks SailingAway for checking on the write-in for RI! ) The "sore loser laws" have been pretty exaggerated. (I've been meaning to check on the overlap- those states that would disallow his name by those laws, with those that do/don't allow wrtite-ins)

I would love if he would go fully indy and form his own party. We NEED another one anyway! Liberty Party anyone?

here's sore loser laws, also as of 2008: http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/0...t-generally-apply-to-presidential-candidates/