Ron Paul Twitter Account

[rp08orbust]

"The enemy" being those who started shooting Americans because wr first invaded their nation and killed their fellow countrymen and women.

I'm pretty sure fighting back against the occupying soldiers who have been killing and torturing everyone around you is an act of self and national defense. And being the soldier upholding the invading torturing murdering army makes you the bad guy.

It's not that simple. From an anarchist perspective, Saddam's claim of sovereignty over Iraq is no more legitimate than the US's challenge to that same sovereignty. The war (like all state versus state wars) was a turf contest between two rival criminal organizations. It's easier to sympathize with native criminals than the invading ones, but at the end of the day, they're all criminals competing for power over property that isn't theirs. An individual like Chris Kyle caught up in such a gang war can't be called a murderer unless he actually killed civilians.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Wha...? If a mob hitman kills a rival mob hitman, is he not a murderer? Murder is the unprovoked taking of another human beings life. What does the costume have to do with it?

 

[rp08orbust]

Wha...? If a mob hitman kills a rival mob hitman, is he not a murderer? Murder is the unprovoked taking of another human beings life. What does the costume have to do with it?

Costumes signify that the combatants are knowingly and willingly engaged in a lethal contest.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Costumes signify that the combatants are knowingly and willingly engaged in a lethal contest.

The people defending their homes?

 

[rp08orbust]

The people defending their homes?

Killing them would be murder.

 

[Stallheim]

I, for one, am not worried about how folks like Beck are going to make this sound. Beck has never understood Ron Paul, Ron's supporters, or our principles. Beck, Hannity, and Levin worship people like Kyle...they believe Kyle and his ilk are doing God's work on Earth. It's impossible to get through to people like that.

I have no problem with the tweet. It just doesn't sound like Dr Paul's typical wise tone. This could be great actually. When unthinking warmongers broadcast this assuming it will be reviled by all who hear it, (people who are unable to embrace RP's liberty message anyway) a few more on the fence will prick up their ears, particularly Christians who are growing a bit nervous about how absent the teachings of Jesus are from the national discourse. The danger for strident warmongers now is that there is no automatic acceptance of their position in a lead up to an election to defeat the socialist Democrat. A different batch are listening now and this kind of attention is really good for waking up a few more to our radical message. We want to attract moderates and radicals alike, but the end game no matter who we have attracted initially, is to fully radicalize them with Ron Paul's revolutionary message. Sure, send out careful, coaxing feelers to the timid folk, leaning towards liberty. But make no mistake, the goal is to help them fully embrace the message.

On a side note I am really not liking all the swearing and name calling. It is not that I accept the opposing position, I flat out reject it. But telling people to F* off and go to hell, sound ignorant and desperate. We have some of the most eloquent writers in the history of economic and political thought that we can draw from and quote in our arguments, this is one of our great advantages since these writings are really seductive and compelling and people feel the truth in their gut. Getting ticked off and swearing is just so low class and underwhelming.

 

[Stallheim]

They are..
Just the wrong god.

Smooth!

 

[Stallheim]

Who is that ignoramus?

There was nothing disrespectful in Christs words. nor in the opinion that turning your back on an armed and disturbed man was unwise.

It was nothing but truth.

Though people have been distorting Christ's words and distorting the truth for so long that people reject both.

Preach on brother.
I ordain you RPF pastor for the week at least!

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Killing them would be murder.

If they're defending their homes while wearing a costume?

 

[Stallheim]

I'm pretty sure most if not all the people he killed were the enemy. O'Reilly played an excerpt of his interview and he said the only regret was that he couldn't save more of the innocent townspeople, etc and get more of the bad guys.

I like that O'Reilly fellow, fair and balanced. No spin. And to top it off he was doing it for the kids. You convinced me.

 

[rp08orbust]

If they're defending their homes while wearing a costume?

Now that would be stupid.

 

[Occam's Banana]

If they're defending their homes while wearing a costume?

I see what you did there!

 

[pcosmar]

Preach on brother.
I ordain you RPF pastor for the week at least!

I am no Pastor.
I am course,crude and blunt. I was a mercenary and thief. By Gods Grace I heard his message and repent of my past.

I am but one voice on this virtual wind.
Listen to Gods voice,,wherever is comes from.

 

[Stallheim]

Look, I'm not disagreeing you with the "enemy's" right to fight to consider we invaded. But why can't we direct our feelings to the people who started the wars, not the soldiers who we're merely tools of the MIC? We lose a lot of credibility when we attack individual soldiers.

Or we could do both. And this does not seem to be a discussion about all soldiers, but more about which soldiers where acting like tools and which were apparently stepping up enthusiastically and really enjoying the beastly job. It is actually pretty important for dedicated, idealistic soldiers to see that this clown is not the kind of guy they should be idolizing. The principle characteristic of a just soldier tries not to harm the innocent and when the killing is done he does not indulge in hatred or glorification of slaughter.

It is another debate, but I will assert that soldiers fighting in a defensive war will find it easier to aspire to this just soldier ideal. This is not to say that many join up under false assumptions, believing that they are making the homeland safer, or helping a defenseless people, but when the reality that they are participating in an unwelcome invasion and that they are in fact the initiators of many violent acts against other human beings, they have only a few choices: regret the crime and try to do better with new found knowledge, compartmentalize and try not to feel, or embrace the slaughter and the new found power over the weak. One of these is noble, one is weak, and one is vile. Not in legal terms of course, but I would say that the last and probably the second examples make the soldier involved an uncontested murderer.

 

[Stallheim]

Now that would be stupid.

lol. "If they're defending their homes while wearing a costume?" This needs an image!

 

[klamath]

Aw, the iraqi worship gleaned from selectively reading what you want to back up your preconceived ideas. The people fighting in Iraq were NOT all just fighting invaders on their land as I have seen posted about 500 times here. The vast majority of the killing done in Iraq was done by them killing each other. Many of the fighters in Iraq weren't even Iraqi and they were killing by the thousands innocent people to incite a sectarian war which actually happened. The thousands of beheaded bodies floating in the rivers speak of this. The targeted bombing of crowded marketplaces speak of this. The biggist killer in Iraq was a Jordanian.
Anybody that thinks Iraq was a united solid country have no clue. The British drew the borders that had nothing to do with religion or politics. Much of the oil wealth came from the shia south yet they live in an era not much removed from biblical times as far as wealth. Sadamn killed thousands of marsh Arabs and destroyed their land by intentionally draining their marshland. The Sunni areas received the wealth and Yes I have personally seen this.
Did a huge chunk of the population appreciate that Sadamn was gone. Yes. Did they wave and smile at American troops. Yes.I have pictures to prove it. Yeaw there is a little more to it than the Iraqis were united in their hate of the invaders. The Kurds freaking loved the Americans. It was the only part of the country American troops could go unarmed for R&R. Do I agree with the Iraqi invasion? Hell no! Do I think the American were heros there? Hell NO!
But they sure as hell weren't all patriotic Iraqis fighting the American invaders only, they were fighting each other ruthlessly.

 

[KerriAnn]

Didn't have time to read 635 posts.... so maybe this was already mentioned.

Did anyone else notice these new tweets and facebook posts from "Ron" end with -REP? Mostly the facebook posts follow this trend. Facebook posts from before February don't have -REP at the end of any that I can find.
I know what REP stands for, but it's weird that it all the sudden appends the posts while it never did before.

 

[jmdrake]

Didn't have time to read 635 posts.... so maybe this was already mentioned.

Did anyone else notice these new tweets and facebook posts from "Ron" end with -REP? Mostly the facebook posts follow this trend. Facebook posts from before February don't have -REP at the end of any that I can find.
I know what REP stands for, but it's weird that it all the sudden appends the posts while it never did before.

Yeah. Sailingaway and others have pointed this out. But unless Ron comes out and says "It wasn't me", the effect in the media will be the same.

 

[sailingaway]

Didn't have time to read 635 posts.... so maybe this was already mentioned.

Did anyone else notice these new tweets and facebook posts from "Ron" end with -REP? Mostly the facebook posts follow this trend. Facebook posts from before February don't have -REP at the end of any that I can find.
I know what REP stands for, but it's weird that it all the sudden appends the posts while it never did before.

REP is Ron's initials and they are supposed to be on whatever he personally posts, from what I understand, as Obama uses BO for his personal tweets. It isn't conclusive, but it is there. and it wasn't on the tweet in question.

 

[sailingaway]

Yeah. Sailingaway and others have pointed this out. But unless Ron comes out and says "It wasn't me", the effect in the media will be the same.

And if he does, would it do much at this point? The big headlines are always devoted to attacking, and that gets passed around. The clarification is always buried.