Ron Paul Twitter Account

[Ender]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/131829.html

Outstanding article- pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Who posted that?

"Live by the sword, die by the sword" is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said and pathetic.

I was wrong. I thought it was the Bastiat guy. I don't think KingNothing is a plant.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, that's how they cloak and rationalize their behavior. With that said, I wouldn't consider Kyle a mass murderer. If he wanted to be truly a mass murderer he could have easily tripled that total by deviating from operation protocol.

Well, he did say that he enjoyed killing. That is pretty despicable.

 

[Badger Paul]

Is the same Chris Kyle who is being sued by Jesse Ventura for slander?

This isn't Jack Armstrong the All-American Boy we're talking about here or even Audie Murphy. Kyle has said some equally disturbing things about Iraqis, the very people he was supposed to "liberate" , not to mention the fact I think he liked his job a little too much.

I certainly don't celebrate his death but the real tragedy is war does to people like Kyle or this fellow that shot him and friend.

Bottom line, there's just too much violence. It's sickening.

As for how this affects Rand I could hardly care less, since he wasn't the person who "tweeted" anything. It shouldn't affect anything he does and no he's not responsible for his father's statements anymore if it was the other way around. Maybe he can go to his new friend Bill Kristol and beg him to call the neocons off his trail.

 

[angelatc]

I know he is trying to help, but I wish he didn't pit Ron against his definition of conservatives. Ron has the most conservative voting record of anyone since they started keeping records. the old Right would have no problem with Ron.

I know he's one of Ron Paul's closest friends, but he's such an ass - I can't stand to read him. I made the exception, and am sorry I did.

Most of these sunshine patriots who now whine that Ron Paul has lost their support, wouldn't ever have supported Ron Paul in the first place if Obama weren't in office.

Just shut up, Lew. It is simply delusional to believe that this tweet didn't drive people away. And it's pretty close to cultish to essentially that Paul is always right while the rest of the world is always wrong.

I have no idea what that tweet was supposed to mean, but if you can only speak in a manner that is so cryptic that only the True Believers (tm) can understand the message, then you're not an effective communicator.

 

[RickyJ]

As far as I am concerned it was very effective communication on Ron's part. I applaud Ron Paul for stating it and standing firmly with the prince of peace, Jesus Christ!

 

[Occam's Banana]

I know he is trying to help, but I wish he didn't pit Ron against his definition of conservatives. Ron has the most conservative voting record of anyone since they started keeping records. the old Right would have no problem with Ron.

I know he's one of Ron Paul's closest friends, but he's such an ass - I can't stand to read him. I made the exception, and am sorry I did.

Most of these sunshine patriots who now whine that Ron Paul has lost their support, wouldn't ever have supported Ron Paul in the first place if Obama weren't in office.

Just shut up, Lew. [...]

Actually, that wasn't Lew.

That was Ryan McMaken.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/131829.html

 

[unknown]

No, it implies that he killed many people non-defensively. That is, he murdered them. He committed murder, on a massive scale. Thus the term: mass murder. Putting on a costume doesn't change morality. I understand people really, really think it does. And it really, really bothers them to hear anyone who think it doesn't. And they really, really want to close their minds to the possibility that maybe war is nothing special, that it doesn't have it's own special moral box where the normal rules don't apply. Because that's scary. Because to accept that, to truly accept that, usually means you have to rethink everything. Heroes become villains, courage becomes filth, and all history is turned on its head.

But there is no special box. The moral rules are the same everywhere, costumes or no costumes. War is nothing but one gigantic crime.

And yes, AuH2O, that means the participants are criminals.

I really like this post of yours. I wish I was as articulate.

 

[angelatc]

I really like this post of yours. I wish I was as articulate.

I wish Ron Paul was that articulate. I guess I'm not a True Believer after all, because what i heard him say didn't sound anything like the 20 or so paragraphs HH has produced explaining the nuances.

Maybe it's like "They Live" and we can't see what he really wrote because we don't have the blinders on, or something.

 

[parocks]

I do think some from there may be in charge of his media now, which has a reverse issue to some during the campaign. He needs someone who DOESN'T want to gin up excitement by throwing red meat, in the language of 'any' side, but suggest solutions. In other words, someone like he is himself, to be his voice.

How about Ron Paul? He should have a lot more free time, and less to do. He's not running for President, and I think we all understand that he won't be running for President again. Let's just say that Ron Paul wrote this. Some people don't like it, so what? Rand has distanced himself from it a bit. That's a plus. Opportunities for Rand to distance himself from the seemingly unpatriotic things that Ron says are good to have.

 

[kathy88]

How about Ron Paul? He should have a lot more free time, and less to do. He's not running for President, and I think we all understand that he won't be running for President again. Let's just say that Ron Paul wrote this. Some people don't like it, so what? Rand has distanced himself from it a bit. That's a plus. Opportunities for Rand to distance himself from the seemingly unpatriotic things that Ron says are good to have.

So now that he's retired you're willing to turn him into the crazy loon the media tried to portray him as for the last 6 years? And happy that's a good thing for Rand. Check.

 

[newbitech]

But, but...this guy expressed himself in book form after serving in Iraq. He deserved to be murdered for that.

-The Liberty Movement

but, this guy was no guy, he was a SUPER GUY! He deserved to live forever!

- Everyone else

 

[No Free Beer]

If anarchists are the problem then Ron Paul is an anarchist and we can put this thing to rest because we are only defending him.

Us evil anarchists that want peace and liberty; while people like Chris Kyle, the man Ron Paul posted about, bragged about killing people who would dare to defend their own property.

Iraqis and Afghans have a better understanding of private property than your average American.

Seriously; go to hell and fuck off. Anarchists here have a higher moral ground than you do.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I feel as though you are not understanding my position.

Example: You bringing up his gloating. I said on numerous occasions his gloating was wrong. Hell, I even mentioned that a lot of people in the military feel that same way

What you are doing, AGAIN, is making this issue much more simple than it truly is. And in my opinion, some anarchists tend to do that.

I've stated my opinion over and over again; About the war; about Kyle's actions; About his words; And about some people's words on here.

There were some vile things said on another post, and original post covering this topic that I will not repeat for the sake of the movement, that disturbed me and caused me to feel so angry.

Why I pointed my finger at the anarchists is because a lot of the anarchists on this site have a history of oversimplifying complex issues, calling anyone who disagrees, a "statis"t with an elitist tone. Your true colors come out again, when you for the second or third time now have told me to "go to hell."

I find it rather hilarious that you are preaching about morals, while telling me to "go to hell."

Interesting.

 

[No Free Beer]

OK, thank you! Now I understand your position. So actually, it was probably my own posts that were some of your biggest offenders. Because I definitely have been adamant that Mr. Chris Kyle was a mass-murderer.

I think it is not complex. Rather, it is simple. I think that the rule is: you don't go around murdering other human beings. When you do.........

That's bad!

Do members of the military break that rule all the time? Yes they do. That's bad! Am I condemning all of them? The ones who break that rule, yes. That's a major problem. A major moral failing. They ought to stop murdering people. I understand that people don't like moralizing nowadays, they want it to be "hey, man, do whatever feels right, there's no moral absolutes" but come on, this is taking it to a ridiculous extreme. A man should not go around murdering people, no matter how much it feels right and fun to him, and no matter how many people celebrate his behavior. That, to me, is an absolute. When disobeyed, there will be eternal consequences.

I would like to make a rebuttal to this, but I don't have time right now.

I will return some time later today.

 

[Conza88]

War-Hero:

A man who commits atrocities for our side.

— Butler Shaffer

 

[KingNothing]

"One member at RonPaulForums.com said "'Live by the sword, die by the sword' is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said [sic] and pathetic.""

lol

HA!

That's awesome! If anyone on this board deserves to be mentioned on LRC, it's me.

It was a terrible thing to say and Ron should not have said it. The context was terrible.

 

[KingNothing]

I'm not an anarchist and I say Kyle was a mass murderer. Where does that leave us?

I'm an anarchist, I think Kyle was a mass murder, I think his death was terrible, and I think Ron's original tweet was tasteless. Where does that leave me?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm still not understanding why it was *terrible* to say??

Might it have been a bit poorly timed? I guess one could make an argument for that, but "terrible"? Just not seeing it.

The tweet isn't revelling in Kyle's death, as folks like Beck are sure to make it sound. If anything, I took it to mean that his death, and it's relation to the current social paradigm, was a tragedy.

 

[KingNothing]

I'm still not understanding why it was *terrible* to say??

Might it have been a bit poorly timed? I guess one could make an argument for that, but "terrible"? Just not seeing it.

The tweet isn't revelling in Kyle's death, as folks like Beck are sure to make it sound. If anything, I took it to mean that his death, and it's relation to the current social paradigm, was a tragedy.

It was a terrible thing to say because it completely lacked tact. It could have just not been said, or said in the manner in which he later stated it.

That it caused such a negative backlash and was so easily distorted shows that it was, at best, poorly worded.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Meh. I thought the "live by the sword..." part was pretty tactful.

Like I said, poorly timed? Maybe... but "terrible". I think it's a whole bunch of hyper pro-military types (not saying you - specifically referring to Beck) getting their panties in a wad. It's their problem with reality, as helmuth_huebener has eloquently pointed out on this topic in another thread (I think), more than it is a problem with what Ron said.