Ron Paul Twitter Account

[cajuncocoa]

I'm still not understanding why it was *terrible* to say??

Might it have been a bit poorly timed? I guess one could make an argument for that, but "terrible"? Just not seeing it.

The tweet isn't revelling in Kyle's death, as folks like Beck are sure to make it sound. If anything, I took it to mean that his death, and it's relation to the current social paradigm, was a tragedy.

I, for one, am not worried about how folks like Beck are going to make this sound. Beck has never understood Ron Paul, Ron's supporters, or our principles. Beck, Hannity, and Levin worship people like Kyle...they believe Kyle and his ilk are doing God's work on Earth. It's impossible to get through to people like that.

 

[FreeHampshire]

The Beck-hatred on here is reminiscent of Huffington Post or Daily Kos. Somehow, I also think there's a huge overlap in posters there as well.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Pardon our principles.

lol

 

[KingNothing]

Meh. I thought the "live by the sword..." part was pretty tactful.

Like I said, poorly timed? Maybe... but "terrible". I think it's a whole bunch of hyper pro-military types (not saying you - specifically referring to Beck) getting their panties in a wad. It's their problem with reality, as helmuth_huebener has eloquently pointed out on this topic in another thread (I think), more than it is a problem with what Ron said.

I understand where you're coming from, but I can't understand what Ron or anyone of us gain by tweeting something that is at best poorly timed and poorly worded. I agree with Ron's point entirely and had he originally made it with the words he later used, this negative backlash would not be happening.

 

[KingNothing]

The Beck-hatred on here is reminiscent of Huffington Post or Daily Kos. Somehow, I also think there's a huge overlap in posters there as well.

How is hating Beck a bad thing? He's either a phony or an emotional whackjob with totally inconsistent views and no principles.

 

[pcosmar]

Beck, Hannity, and Levin worship people like Kyle...they believe Kyle and his ilk are doing God's work on Earth.

They are..
Just the wrong god.

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

 

[KingNothing]

I, for one, am not worried about how folks like Beck are going to make this sound. Beck has never understood Ron Paul, Ron's supporters, or our principles. Beck, Hannity, and Levin worship people like Kyle...they believe Kyle and his ilk are doing God's work on Earth. It's impossible to get through to people like that.

We should all be worried about how our words are received. You know, clarity is an important part of the whole communication thing. My post that was used in the LRC article, for example, was not clear and caused me to be lumped into the mess of idiots who booed the Golden Rule. Precision in language matters. Ron's original tweet was very easily distorted because it was not clear enough. Could such a thing have happened with his follow-up post?

 

[cajuncocoa]

The Beck-hatred on here is reminiscent of Huffington Post or Daily Kos. Somehow, I also think there's a huge overlap in posters there as well.

Until you realize how much I also dislike those sites.

 

[cajuncocoa]

We should all be worried about how our words are received. You know, clarity is an important part of the whole communication thing. My post that was used in the LRC article, for example, was not clear and caused me to be lumped into the mess of idiots who booed the Golden Rule. Precision in language matters. Ron's original tweet was very easily distorted because it was not clear enough. Could such a thing have happened with his follow-up post?

I didn't say we shouldn't worry about how clear and precise our language is. I said I wouldn't worry about how Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity spin it. No amount of clarifying is going to help them to understand Ron Paul's principles. They are beholden to a different agenda.

 

[klamath]

Chad Littlefield- the guys life that was disrespected in this tweet. What changed is RP ALWAYS respected life no matter what then suddenly makes a tweet about an incident the took two lives.

 

[pcosmar]

Chad Littlefield- the guys life that was disrespected in this tweet. What changed is RP ALWAYS respected life no matter what then suddenly makes a tweet about an incident the took two lives.

Who is that ignoramus?

There was nothing disrespectful in Christs words. nor in the opinion that turning your back on an armed and disturbed man was unwise.

It was nothing but truth.

Though people have been distorting Christ's words and distorting the truth for so long that people reject both.

 

[rp08orbust]

OK, thank you! Now I understand your position. So actually, it was probably my own posts that were some of your biggest offenders. Because I definitely have been adamant that Mr. Chris Kyle was a mass-murderer.

I think it is not complex. Rather, it is simple. I think that the rule is: you don't go around murdering other human beings. When you do.........

I'm an anarchist, but I would object to calling Chris Kyle a murderer unless he killed non-combatants or those engaged in combat specifically to defend private property and civilian lives from the US invasion. If he only killed Iraqi soldiers defending the Ba'athist regime, then his killings were morally neutral in my eyes, like killing someone in a consensual dual. It's nearly impossible to engage in state-sponsored warfare without trespassing and destroying private property, so he is almost certainly a criminal to some extent (and definitely a tax-feeder), but he isn't necessarily a murderer.

Does anyone know any details about who he killed?

 

[supermario21]

I'm an anarchist, but I would object to calling Chris Kyle a murderer unless he killed non-combatants or those engaged in combat specifically to defend private property and civilian lives from the US invasion. If he only killed Iraqi soldiers defending the Ba'athist regime, then his killings were morally neutral in my eyes, like killing someone in a consensual dual. It's nearly impossible to engage in state-sponsored warfare without trespassing and destroying private property, so he is almost certainly a criminal to some extent (and definitely a tax-feeder), but he isn't necessarily a murderer.

Does anyone know any details about who he killed?

I'm pretty sure most if not all the people he killed were the enemy. O'Reilly played an excerpt of his interview and he said the only regret was that he couldn't save more of the innocent townspeople, etc and get more of the bad guys.

 

[PierzStyx]

Mass murderer implies that Kyle was actively seeking to kill others,
irrespective of his assigned duty.

The mafia hit man who kills 300 people over the course of his life is only doing his "assigned duty" too. Doesn't make him any less a murderer. It doesn't matter who tells you to aggressively enter another person's property and kill them even if they don't defend themselves. You're still a murderer because man can make immorality moral.

 

[supermario21]

It's a front page story on yahoo, and the first sentence reads:


In 140 characters, the newly retired congressman reminds us why he — and maybe his son — won't top the GOP presidential ticket

hx x p://ne ws.yaho o.com/ron-pauls-puzzling-critique-murdered-seal-chris-kyle-072000026.html

 

[PierzStyx]

I'm pretty sure most if not all the people he killed were the enemy. O'Reilly played an excerpt of his interview and he said the only regret was that he couldn't save more of the innocent townspeople, etc and get more of the bad guys.

"The enemy" being those who started shooting Americans because wr first invaded their nation and killed their fellow countrymen and women.

I'm pretty sure fighting back against the occupying soldiers who have been killing and torturing everyone around you is an act of self and national defense. And being the soldier upholding the invading torturing murdering army makes you the bad guy.

 

[AuH20]

I'm an anarchist, but I would object to calling Chris Kyle a murderer unless he killed non-combatants or those engaged in combat specifically to defend private property and civilian lives from the US invasion. If he only killed Iraqi soldiers defending the Ba'athist regime, then his killings were morally neutral in my eyes, like killing someone in a consensual dual. It's nearly impossible to engage in state-sponsored warfare without trespassing and destroying private property, so he is almost certainly a criminal to some extent (and definitely a tax-feeder), but he isn't necessarily a murderer.

Does anyone know any details about who he killed?

I agree. I would say Kyle is more guilty of 'patriotic' (in his mind) manslaughter as opposed to wanton homicide.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm pretty sure most if not all the people he killed were the enemy. O'Reilly played an excerpt of his interview and he said the only regret was that he couldn't save more of the innocent townspeople, etc and get more of the bad guys.

Other people are quoting him as saying he wished he could have killed everyone not in US uniform, and saying he killed women and children, and spoke about it callously. I don't know the man, so I have no idea. I still wouldn't have sent the tweet as blunt as it was while his family is grieving, but if the other view is true or widely held, he is not your standard soldier who went and just did his job. But of course the tweet didn't call him a murderer.

 

[supermario21]

"The enemy" being those who started shooting Americans because wr first invaded their nation and killed their fellow countrymen and women.

I'm pretty sure fighting back against the occupying soldiers who have been killing and torturing everyone around you is an act of self and national defense. And being the soldier upholding the invading torturing murdering army makes you the bad guy.

Look, I'm not disagreeing you with the "enemy's" right to fight to consider we invaded. But why can't we direct our feelings to the people who started the wars, not the soldiers who we're merely tools of the MIC? We lose a lot of credibility when we attack individual soldiers.

 

[sailingaway]

The mafia hit man who kills 300 people over the course of his life is only doing his "assigned duty" too. Doesn't make him any less a murderer. It doesn't matter who tells you to aggressively enter another person's property and kill them even if they don't defend themselves. You're still a murderer because man can make immorality moral.

I don't think the mafia and the armed forces are comparable. The armed forces are SUPPOSED to defend this country, and a lot in national guard thought they were going to be back up for hurricanes and such here, not fighting wars of occupation around the world. My understanding is that this guy reveled in killing people, though, from posts here. I never heard of him except in the context of the 2d amendment debate going on until now.