Ron Paul Twitter Account

[Reece]

You don't need to dig deep. The anarchists love to show their anarchism.

In order to find them, just look for the "go to hell" and "fuck you" comments directed toward me. You can't miss 'em.

To be fair, these were both in response to your comments on anarchists ("They always say the most elitist shit I have ever read.", "The vile things you anarchists are saying is just disgusting.", etc.) It would be much fairer to find a quote before the accusation, rather than after the accusation was made.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Mass murderer implies that Kyle was actively seeking to kill others, irrespective of his assigned duty.

Ok, was his duty to kill every living human being not wearing a U.S. uniform, hostile or not? Because he regretted not accomplishing that.

 

[AuH20]

Ok, was his duty to kill every living human being not wearing a U.S. uniform, hostile or not? Because he regretted not accomplishing that.

Kyle was a brainwashed idiot too attached to the men he served with. Mass murderer? No.

 

[fr33]

Mass murderer implies that Kyle was actively seeking to kill others, irrespective of his assigned duty.

How ridiculous. He volunteered knowing exactly what he was getting into and according to his memoirs he has no regrets.

I repeat. We have watched our rights get violated while Kyle and his supporters claimed to be protecting those rights.

 

[phill4paul]

Mass murderer implies that Kyle was actively seeking to kill others, irrespective of his assigned duty.

Mass murder (in military contexts, sometimes interchangeable with "mass destruction" or "genocide") is the act of murdering a large number of people, typically at the same time or over a relatively short period of time.[1] According to the FBI, mass murder is defined as four or more murders occurring during a particular event with no cooling-off period between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location in which a number of victims are killed by an individual or more.[2][3] With exceptions, many acts of mass murder end with the death of the perpetrator(s), whether by direct suicide or being killed by law enforcement. <emphasis mine >

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I have a big issue with the such strong language from the anarchists claiming that Kyle was a "mass murderer."

I don't think its that simple, rather I think its much more complex than that.

OK, thank you! Now I understand your position. So actually, it was probably my own posts that were some of your biggest offenders. Because I definitely have been adamant that Mr. Chris Kyle was a mass-murderer.

I think it is not complex. Rather, it is simple. I think that the rule is: you don't go around murdering other human beings. When you do.........

That's bad!

Do members of the military break that rule all the time? Yes they do. That's bad! Am I condemning all of them? The ones who break that rule, yes. That's a major problem. A major moral failing. They ought to stop murdering people. I understand that people don't like moralizing nowadays, they want it to be "hey, man, do whatever feels right, there's no moral absolutes" but come on, this is taking it to a ridiculous extreme. A man should not go around murdering people, no matter how much it feels right and fun to him, and no matter how many people celebrate his behavior. That, to me, is an absolute. When disobeyed, there will be eternal consequences.

 

[AuH20]

How ridiculous. He volunteered knowing exactly what he was getting into and according to his memoirs he has no regrets.

I repeat. We have watched our rights get violated while Kyle and his supporters claimed to be protecting those rights.

Well, that's how they cloak and rationalize their behavior. With that said, I wouldn't consider Kyle a mass murderer. If he wanted to be truly a mass murderer he could have easily tripled that total by deviating from operation protocol.

 

[fr33]

Ron spoke that speech but did not put the imagery in, and it makes a big difference to the presentation and implication.

Most of the images are just letters and words. The only difference is that the narrator has a stronger voice. The message remains the same.

 

[sailingaway]

Most of the images are just letters and words. The only difference is that the narrator has a stronger voice. The message remains the same.

No, it shows pictures of American soldiers when it speaks of terrorists etc and the message is changed by the imagery and the angry voice, imho.

 

[phill4paul]

Well, that's how they cloak and rationalize their behavior. With that said, I wouldn't consider Kyle a mass murderer. If he wanted to be truly a mass murderer he could have easily tripled that total.

He claimed more. Many. His official total were only "confirmed." He "claimed" 255 souls.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/131829.html

 

[sailingaway]

I know he is trying to help, but I wish he didn't pit Ron against his definition of conservatives. Ron has the most conservative voting record of anyone since they started keeping records. the old Right would have no problem with Ron.

 

[phill4paul]

I do wonder............. Where the fuck is Jack Hunter?

Refining, redefining, herk and jerking.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Kyle was a brainwashed idiot too attached to the men he served with. Mass murderer? No.

Many other mass murderers may just be brainwashed or unfortunate and otherwise good people. What about some of these teen boys who have shot up their schools over the past couple decades? Were some of them just messed up because of all the psychotropic drugs they were taking? Could it have been a horrible mistake? Might they have been extremely confused, a moment of weakness, and then profoundly regret their actions? Absolutely. I can absolutely see that happening. Mass murder is a tragedy in so many ways. It is a huge tragedy for the murderer. What a waste.

Might there be extenuating circumstances in war? I think the English language has a word for this: Duh. But murdering people is an extremely serious act. It is an extremely serious problem. And I think the fact that people compartmentalize combat killing into something that is "not murder, oh no it's very different than murder, it's in a whole separate box way over here", I think that is a major, major problem that humankind has been paying a very dear price for. A tragically dear price.

Murder is murder is murder.

And it's wrong.

 

[Danke]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/131829.html

"One member at RonPaulForums.com said "'Live by the sword, die by the sword' is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said [sic] and pathetic.""

lol

 

[The Gold Standard]

"One member at RonPaulForums.com said "'Live by the sword, die by the sword' is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said [sic] and pathetic.""

lol

That was one of the GOP plants meant to drive the liberty crowd out of here and replace them with bloodthirsty statists.

 

[fr33]

I know he is trying to help, but I wish he didn't pit Ron against his definition of conservatives. Ron has the most conservative voting record of anyone since they started keeping records. the old Right would have no problem with Ron.

No he doesn't. Conservatives want to conserve the status quo. Ron has always been a libertarian.

 

[Danke]

That was one of the GOP plants meant to drive the liberty crowd out of here and replace them with bloodthirsty statists.

Who posted that?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Mass murderer implies that Kyle was actively seeking to kill others, irrespective of his assigned duty.

No, it implies that he killed many people non-defensively. That is, he murdered them. He committed murder, on a massive scale. Thus the term: mass murder. Putting on a costume doesn't change morality. I understand people really, really think it does. And it really, really bothers them to hear anyone who think it doesn't. And they really, really want to close their minds to the possibility that maybe war is nothing special, that it doesn't have it's own special moral box where the normal rules don't apply. Because that's scary. Because to accept that, to truly accept that, usually means you have to rethink everything. Heroes become villains, courage becomes filth, and all history is turned on its head.

But there is no special box. The moral rules are the same everywhere, costumes or no costumes. War is nothing but one gigantic crime.

And yes, AuH2O, that means the participants are criminals.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

"One member at RonPaulForums.com said "'Live by the sword, die by the sword' is what the dumbest, stupidest, most delusional people around here would say. There's no way that Ron actually said this. Ugh. How said [sic] and pathetic.""

lol

I can't remember who said that.. was that Kingnothing?

ETA: Can't say I didn't read the thread lol. Post #56 Kingnothing.