Ron Paul rebukes Ted Cruz for comments on Hagel (American Conservative)

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Ron Paul Rebukes Ted Cruz: ‘We Ought to Be Cheering Someone Who’s More Cautious About Going to War’
http://www.theamericanconservative....omeone-whos-more-cautious-about-going-to-war/
Apart from news of a radio gig, Ron Paul has kept a fairly low profile since his bid for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination last year. Last night at George Washington University’s Lisner Auditorium Paul gave what was, if I’m not mistaken, his first speech in DC since the 2012 election. He touched on familiar subjects like the Fed and the drug war, but also focused on the plight of whistleblowers John Kiriakou and Bradley Manning, and the Republican Party’s long-forgotten noninterventionist streak.

He was introduced by Rep. Jimmy Duncan (R-TN), an early conservative opponent of the Iraq war who said Paul “deserves a tribute such as being placed on one of our coins.”

One hopes it would be a gold coin.

Paul also briefly mentioned on the nomination battle over Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel:

We’ve had this big argument, just the last couple of weeks, with the confirmation of Hagel and Kerry. Hagel, of course, is a Republican. He said some things similar to what I’ve just got done saying, that maybe we shouldn’t go [to war] so fast, maybe we should be cautious. Who piled on him? It was the Republicans who piled on him. ‘Don’t talk like that, don’t talk like a wimp! We don’t want you in there!’ … These two guys actually went to war and were wounded and won medals. And who’s jumping on them? People who have never even served in the military. This whole idea that you can challenge someone’s patriotism because they happen to take a position that is slightly less anxious to go to war … we ought to be cheering someone who’s more cautious about going to war.

The bit about challenging someone’s patriotism is a clear reference to Sen. Ted Cruz, whose senatorial bid Paul endorsed. During the nomination hearings Cruz suggested that Hagel’s loyalties were divided due to alleged ties to foreign governments and “radical and extremist groups,” a possible reference to a now-debunked hoax perpetrated by the reliably belligerent–in rhetoric and foreign policy–Breitbart blog.

Paul also spoke about the need for the GOP to return to its noninterventionist roots:

There was a time when the Republican party was the peace party, back with Taft, before World War II, and even with Eisenhower. Eisenhower did some great things! You would never believe that the Republicans at one time cut the military budget by 30 percent in real terms, and it was considered beneficial to the economy, and we had a great decade in the 50s. That’s what Eisenhower did. Of course, Taft argued we shouldn’t be the world policeman. If we want the Republican Party to help lead the charge in this revolutionary change, we have to decide what we believe in, and one big issue will be foreign policy. Some will say, can we steal this from the Democrats? Aren’t they the peace party? Aren’t they always for peace? Yeah, sure, our current president gets in, a week later he wins the Nobel Peace Prize, and the next day he sends in thousands of more troops and expands the war in Afghanistan. Politically, though, he was the peace candidate.

In regards to war, he also said this confusing thing:

The burden is going to be placed on you to pay for this. The founders understood this, they were so clear on this. This is the reason they put in the Constitution that no president can go to war without a declaration of war by the U.S. congress and the consent of the people. [Bold mine--JB]

What was he trying to say with that statement? The latter part isn’t really true, except implicitly, and Dr. Paul, the strict constitutionalist, has to know that. Was it an endorsement of the Ludlow Amendment?

A little more at the link.
 
In regards to the last "confusing" part, I think he simply meant consent of the people through the Congress, which on the House, was elected through the people.
 
In regards to the last "confusing" part, I think he simply meant consent of the people through the Congress, which on the House, was elected through the people.

I'm sure you are right. He sometimes says it like that, "The people, through their representatives..."
 
In regards to the last "confusing" part, I think he simply meant consent of the people through the Congress, which on the House, was elected through the people.

I think he was going the "consent of the governed" route, making a philosophical point, moreso than that route.

Note that Rand was supporting Cruz in attacking Hagel. It's pretty hard to see how this wasn't an implicit snipe at him, as well.
 
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After voting for filibuster, and repeating talking points about foreign funding and that kind of nonsense.

He just wanted more information that Hagel should've been willing to provide. He always intended to vote for Hagel, but he just thinks that cabinet nominees should be transparent and release all of the necessary information.
 
He just wanted more information that Hagel should've been willing to provide. He always intended to vote for Hagel, but he just thinks that cabinet nominees should be transparent and release all of the necessary information.

More information that literally didn't exist, because the "Friends of Hamas" thing was made up by some reporter.
 
I think he was going the "consent of the governed" route, making a philosophical point, moreso than that route.

Note that Rand was supporting Cruz in attacking Hagel. It's pretty hard to see how this wasn't an implicit snipe at him, as well.

Ron doesn't snipe at people. He probably wasn't even paying attention to all the sturm and drang.
 
More information that literally didn't exist, because the "Friends of Hamas" thing was made up by some reporter.

How would one know it's made up until it's denied by Hagel? If Hagel came out and publicly denied it and Rand continued that talking point, I can see your point, but I don't think Hagel ever made a statement about it.
 
He just wanted more information that Hagel should've been willing to provide. He always intended to vote for Hagel, but he just thinks that cabinet nominees should be transparent and release all of the necessary information.

actually, that did seem gaming, to cater to one set. There was no possible way to get the information being asked for, the investers in the employers he had had. He gave HIS information, but couldn't give private information belonging to someone else. When Kristol/Graham thought that doosey up it seemed apparent they were just trying to find a hoop high enough it couldn't be jumped through, to lather people up about. There was no evidence I saw anywhere why any information, had they had it, would have been an issue.
 
How would one know it's made up until it's denied by Hagel? If Hagel came out and publicly denied it and Rand continued that talking point, I can see your point, but I don't think Hagel ever made a statement about it.

I think he did, actually.

However, this thread isn't about Rand, this is about Ron's comments, and I agree with them.
 
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There was no evidence I saw anywhere why any information, had they had it, would have been an issue.

What if Rand's main issue with holding up the nomination was to get more information on drones from Brennan? I'm not saying that was Rand's only motive but if that was the case, would that be the right play?
 
What if Rand's main issue with holding up the nomination was to get more information on drones from Brennan? I'm not saying that was Rand's only motive but if that was the case, would that be the right play?

I don't see how what he said about Hagel had anything to do with Brennan.

As to what would be 'the right play', to me, it would be being whomever he actually is and not pandering to seem like he is someone else. When you appear different to different people, eventually you don't appear sincere to anyone.

If his real point was to get information on Brennan in some way that makes sense, he should explain that to us, and over time we will be able to see if his actions match up with his words. That is how Ron won us, to begin with.
 
He directly commented on Republicans attacking Hagel on more than one occasion, it's safe to say he was aware of at least that.

I suspect he meant the main ones like Graham. Ron wouldn't snipe at Rand, imho. He'd disagree if he disagreed, but he wouldn't snipe.
 
I don't see how what he said about Hagel had anything to do with Brennan.

As to what would be 'the right play', to me, it would be being whomever he actually is and not pandering to seem like he is someone else. When you appear different to different people, eventually you don't appear sincere to anyone.

If his real point was to get information on Brennan in some way that makes sense, he should explain that to us, and over time we will be able to see if his actions match up with his words. That is how Ron won us, to begin with.

Well even before his final vote on Hagel, he did publicly say that he was filibustering in part to garner support for his filibuster of Brennan.
 
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