Ron Paul on the Latest Conventions

I agree with being polite and respectful by default: If the respect is returned by local leaders and opposition, we can work together with them and maintain a cordial relationship. If that respect is not returned, we should not be expected to take it lying down. Making enemies may not be a great long-term strategy, but neither is appeasement of those who have proven to be unreasonable, and who have already declared themselves our enemies.

I think what may be the issue is there are some folks that don't understand that point. Probably because we have a lot of people who are new to this, and a lot of people who are just in it for this one single race - they don't see or care about the bigger picture.

Oh well it is to be expected.

I'm heading to bed - goodnight folks.
 
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The system is so corrupt, so premeditated, it should provide evidence that honest elections are for the boy scouts. TPTB ensure no one ever reveals their scams and charades. It should be apparent to anyone neutral, the Corporate Media, no matter how big or how small, will tow the lines for revenue and a piece of the pie, even it it takes us to a Fsco-Communist state,

Everyone but Paul/liberty supporters are bought and paid, or just down right brainwashed by the horseshit on TV/propaganda media.

The country's government is full of FRAUD from the top, which sets the cluture and presendence, to lowly local smuck. Media are the accomplice in this big game of charades to them.

Paul supporters have handled themselves remarkably pretigous in the terror of party corruption... frankly, either Paul & company has another plan, or they are the ones tired and worn out. We are the only ones that realize, it's an illusion of choice that the very power and connect group control all of government.
 
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While I do believe that respect and keeping ourselves under control are important to keep us from being even further ridiculed in the media I do believe that we are approaching a civil war of sorts and it is Liberty vs The Establishment. The Revolution is going well but it is slow moving, look how bad things have gotten over the past 8 to 10 years and if you look another 8 years into the future how much worse is it going to get? The media will not be on our side as long as the establishment and the corporations maintain the status quo. It is going to have to come down to us Patriots to bring America back to the people and at some point the whole showing respect thing is going to have to be pushed aside for brute force. If laws like NDAA and CISPA are being passed now and the status quo continues what kind of laws will we be looking at in 4 years? Will we still be able to freely access information over the internet? At some point this is going to have to get ugly
 
I've seen almost nothing that I would construe as out of order. The establishment Romney supporters are the ones who have repeatedly broken rules, our delegates have handled it very well, especially considering what's at stake (i.e. our FREEDOM).

If Doug Wead really said "They won" then I'm pissed. They haven't freaking won yet. I don't recall abdicating GOP decision making to Fox News, at least not formally. The convention is in August, and they don't even pretend to have 1144 yet, either.
 
I think what may be the issue is there are some folks that don't understand that point. Probably because we have a lot of people who are new to this, and a lot of people who are just in it for this one single race - they don't see or care about the bigger picture.

Oh well it is to be expected.

I'm heading to bed - goodnight folks.

I think a lot of us understand the point and you are not the only one who is in this for the long haul. But, we also will not lie down and let them walk all over us, then smile about it. If we followed your strategy, we would not have won the many slots in the GOP leadership that we have won, and that is crucial for the elections going forward.
 
I've seen almost nothing that I would construe as out of order. The establishment Romney supporters are the ones who have repeatedly broken rules, our delegates have handled it very well, especially considering what's at stake (i.e. our FREEDOM).

If Doug Wead really said "They won" then I'm pissed. They haven't freaking won yet. I don't recall abdicating GOP decision making to Fox News, at least not formally. The convention is in August, and they don't even pretend to have 1144 yet, either.

Huh? When did Wead say they've won?
 
Obviously, I am not speaking for the campaign, but from what I have gathered it is the case of our folks dragging out a process that normally is merely a formality into a drawn out nightmare that spills into parking lots etc. For states where the delegates are already bound to a candidate, the convention is simply taking care of the business of figuring out who is going to the convention. These usually run very smoothly, but we have some folks who feel the need to play parliamentarian and call for points of order at every single turn, shout down speakers, etc. As the campaign described it, it has become "chaotic". That is the viewpoint that I am gathering from reading comments and posts on non-Paul sites.

So while I appreciate people's willingness to travel and show up at these conventions, and while they are technically following the rules of the conventions, they are in many ways making a spectacle of themselves (I read somewhere that some people showed up in pirate costumes - I hope that is not true) and quite frankly leaving a very bad taste in the mouths of others. I would venture to guess that many of the persons that attended the conventions in AZ and OK over the weekend, who may have had a neutral to positive opinion of Paul and his supporters prior to the weekend, now view us in a negative way.

As the statement in the OP points out, we are looking for long term viability with this process, and if we are creating animosity between ourselves and other Republicans they will be less likely to want to work with us in the future.
I hope they are doing all this and more. We are trying to win. We are actually succeeding at winning in many cases. GOP is worthless warmongering trash who deserve no respect and deserve as bad taste in their mouths as possible; a taste of tar would not be out of order. These people are sick, they are wrong, they are bad, and we are defeating them, so they can just eat our dust. Go cry about it. We will don our pirate suits and V masks and continue winning. Thank you.
 
does not sound too fair to me - if they can break their own rules, distribute fake slates, do crazy counting, and we can't even boo them.
in an ideal world, that would be the right thing to do, but in today's world, its hard to control our feelings in such situations.
but we should strive to be better.
 
The harsh reality that no one wants to accept is that DELEGATES ARE BOUND. Without Paul winning the remaining bound delegates, Romney will have more than enough to win the nomination. The Paul campaign realizes that, and since they did not have the financial means to compete in the remaining states, it is inevitable that Romney will win those states and secure well more than the 1144 needed.

Yes, but not exactly. Best not to think about this too much. Unbounding them, maybe. Let's just focus on getting more delegates. Or, voting present. Or abstaining. Or, figure it out later.

Did you catch how many delegates we actually won in OK, AZ?
 
Huh? When did Wead say they've won?

From the article in the OP:
Doug Wead, a senior Paul advisor who worked for Bush 41, believes that if conventions were allowed to operate democratically and fairly, Paul could probably win the majority of delegates in 10 states and come to the floor with one-third of the delegates. But he said in an interview before Monday’s announcement that they understand the Romney campaign cannot allow that.“We understand they’re going to show a little bit of muscle,” he said. “They won. So we understand that. But from the last cycle we saw what happens if they get too cute and want to sew the whole thing up. It’ll just be a repeat of McCain.”“We’ll do everything we can to get our people to be cooperative,” Wead added.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76297_Page3.html#ixzz1uuH3XA1m
 
Yes, but not exactly. Best not to think about this too much. Unbounding them, maybe. Let's just focus on getting more delegates. Or, voting present. Or abstaining. Or, figure it out later.

Did you catch how many delegates we actually won in OK, AZ?

I actually didn't, do you know?
 
We will have to agree to disagree. I have heard stories where other Republicans came up to our guys and thanked them from stopping the ruling class from their shenanigans of just allowing the nomination of the slate that THEY chose. They have twisted the rules to try to own this whole process and if we are using the same rules to outsmart them, then I say CONGRATULATIONS.

You forget, Tbone, that the party was stolen from us by the neoconservatives and other globalists. We will follow their rules to take back OUR party, but we aim to take it back.

We should be as respectful as possible, I agree, but, I do not agree with you that we should just sit there and take it. We are following the rules and as long as we do that, I say ONWARD!

That is my opinion, anyway.

The country club / establishment / Rockefeller Republicans would say that the conservatives periodically steal it from them. The country clubbers are more comfortable with the neocons than the conservatives perhaps.
 
unfortunatley many of our guys have been the instigators of the back and forths. Name calling, yelling, disruptions, talking all at once, and it doesn't help that some of our campaign personal have told potential delegates to lie about their affiliations. I believe and know our guys have all these things happen to them... unfortunately, they started it, it escalated to physical. A lot of it is the age of some of our friends. they are young, and this generation has learned to scream for what they want.
 
All the GOP party garbage, all the fraud, racketeering, corruption, propaganda, premeditated media/corporate news accomplice propaganda, all of it has been all sorts of crimes or legal cheating, whatever you want to call it lawyers... but for Ron Paul to publicly say something to insinuating it's becoming ugly because of Paul supporters @ county and state convention is beyond absurd. Without knowing, but to go that far in his press release statement today, especially against the grassroots fighting the corrupt system for every delegate... sounds like he struck some sort of backroom deals. There's no other reason, with the exception of any health issues to terminate this campaign, especially after the 2007/8 presidential run..

SO odd... "muscle?" then: we can to get our people to be cooperative,” Wead added? What is the TPTB Michael Chertoff puppet master team behind Marionette Mitt going to come in and crack skulls? So much for a REVOLUTION, eh? Pull the plug, now go home and suck your thumbs.
Paul could probably win the majority of delegates in 10 states and come to the floor with one-third of the delegates. But he said in an interview before Monday’s announcement that they understand the Romney campaign cannot allow that.“We understand they’re going to show a little bit of muscle,” he said. “They won. So we understand that. But from the last cycle we saw what happens if they get too cute and want to sew the whole thing up. It’ll just be a repeat of McCain.”“We’ll do everything we can to get our people to be cooperative,” Wead added.
 
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All the GOP party garbage, all the fraud, racketeering, corruption, propaganda, premeditated media/corporate news accomplice propaganda, all of it has been all sorts of crimes or legal cheating, whatever you want to call it lawyers... but for Ron Paul to publicly say something to insinuating it's becoming ugly because of Paul supporters @ county and state convention is beyond absurd. Without knowing, but to go that far in his press release statement today, especially against the grassroots fighting the corrupt system for every delegate... sounds like he struck some sort of backroom deals. There's no other reason, with the exception of any health issues to terminate this campaign, especially after the 2007/8 presidential run..

SO odd... "muscle?"

I am pretty sure that RP and the campaign know better than to take media accounts of past conventions at face value. I am also pretty sure that a backroom deal didn't happen. At least not one that is for RP's political benefit, perhaps one that he sees is for the benefit of the entire movement. The "muscle" part seems odd to me too. I wonder if the campaign or RP knows something we don't and fears some kind of escalation from the Romney/Establishment crowd?
 
unfortunatley many of our guys have been the instigators of the back and forths. Name calling, yelling, disruptions, talking all at once, and it doesn't help that some of our campaign personal have told potential delegates to lie about their affiliations. I believe and know our guys have all these things happen to them... unfortunately, they started it, it escalated to physical. A lot of it is the age of some of our friends. they are young, and this generation has learned to scream for what they want.

Hilarious first post.

Thanks I needed a laugh.
 
Respect is for when they don't know what your up to.

I say we Rage.
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The harsh reality that no one wants to accept is that DELEGATES ARE BOUND. Without Paul winning the remaining bound delegates, Romney will have more than enough to win the nomination. The Paul campaign realizes that, and since they did not have the financial means to compete in the remaining states, it is inevitable that Romney will win those states and secure well more than the 1144 needed.

But if we're talking about the long term future of this movement, isn't winning delegates and electing our own leaders going to help? I don't see what's wrong with insisting on following the rules. If they want the process to be different, they need to change the rules between elections, not during, so they don't waste peoples efforts.
 
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