Ron Paul on the Latest Conventions

[Eric39]

unfortunatley many of our guys have been the instigators of the back and forths. Name calling, yelling, disruptions, talking all at once, and it doesn't help that some of our campaign personal have told potential delegates to lie about their affiliations. I believe and know our guys have all these things happen to them... unfortunately, they started it, it escalated to physical. A lot of it is the age of some of our friends. they are young, and this generation has learned to scream for what they want.

I smell a mole. Most of the people here wouldn't be so insulting to the youth. Summing up a generation like that might work if we were talking about the crowds of night-clubs or some concert, but the kids involved with the liberty movement have proven on multiple occasions to be very mature for their age. You should be ashamed for making such remarks about people who care so much for the cause of liberty...

Anyways, I would really like to hear something from Paul that is completely honest. It doesnt have to be a big televised thing, but I feel like the supporters are being thrown all around right now not sure if we're still in the game or if we really don't have a chance. It's... uhhh... I don't wanna say this term... ok... an emotional rollercoaster. Are you happy? I said it. Also a word from the campaign concerning rule 38 would be nice, but silence would be an understandable course of action if it's true. And there goes the rollercoaster again.

 

[cocrehamster]

I smell a mole. Most of the people here wouldn't be so insulting to the youth. Summing up a generation like that might work if we were talking about the crowds of night-clubs or some concert, but the kids involved with the liberty movement have proven on multiple occasions to be very mature for their age. You should be ashamed for making such remarks about people who care so much for the cause of liberty...

Anyways, I would really like to hear something from Paul that is completely honest. It doesnt have to be a big televised thing, but I feel like the supporters are being thrown all around right now not sure if we're still in the game or if we really don't have a chance. It's... uhhh... I don't wanna say this term... ok... an emotional rollercoaster. Are you happy? I said it. Also a word from the campaign concerning rule 38 would be nice, but silence would be an understandable course of action if it's true. And there goes the rollercoaster again.

I agree 100%, yesterday it was looking like we won az and ok, then today it almost sounds like the campaign is starting to shut down.

 

[rp2012win]

I agree 100%, yesterday it was looking like we won az and ok, then today it almost sounds like the campaign is starting to shut down.

Politico and ABC is reporting (with quotes from Jesse Benton) that the campaign was concerned about what happened in Idaho, AZ, and OK and that they did not like how the grassroots supporters were conducting themselves. It's frustrating because we're the ones following the rules and it's the RNC establishment that is breaking them.

My belief is that after AZ and OK the romney campaign contacted the paul campaign. I think even the paul campaign has been caught off guard with how organized we were in states that the campaign was not officially targeting. I think the "news" today was basically an attempt to throw water on the fire that had been lit across the country at the state conventions.

 

[devil21]

From the article in the OP:
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Doug Wead, a senior Paul advisor who worked for Bush 41, believes that if conventions were allowed to operate democratically and fairly, Paul could probably win the majority of delegates in 10 states and come to the floor with one-third of the delegates. But he said in an interview before Monday’s announcement that they understand the Romney campaign cannot allow that.“We understand they’re going to show a little bit of muscle,” he said. “They won. So we understand that. But from the last cycle we saw what happens if they get too cute and want to sew the whole thing up. It’ll just be a repeat of McCain.”“We’ll do everything we can to get our people to be cooperative,” Wead added.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76297_Page3.html#ixzz1uuH3XA1m​

While I like Wead, I know his horse isn't attached to the Paul campaign. We gotta remember that many of these Paul campaign workers are hired guns that want to work on some other campaign in the future and may try to curry favor with the establishment for the future of their careers.

If he's really throwing in the towel on behalf of Paul then Wead should go ahead and write me a check to reimburse me for my outstanding convention registration fees and hotel room. PM me Doug so I can give you my address. Otherwise he, like Benton, should STFU and do his job if he's still employed by this campaign.

Does anybody have a link to the Wead interview that is claimed?

 

[BenIsForRon]

I think the campaign probably sent out the email to give everyone a dose of reality. Unless a miracle happens and a majority of voters in TX and CA have an epiphany to vote for Paul, then it's totally impossible to prevent Romney from getting the magic number of bound delegates. With this understanding, maybe some of the more hot-headed supporters will chill out when it comes convention time.

We've made many times more headway than we made last time, we have multiple state-chair positions, and probably too many county chair positions to count. Paul is thinking we can take over the party if we just keep at it a little longer. He wants minimal ill will from the old guard so we can take over more positions as time goes on.

The last thing is whether we can ever find another guy who gets people as fired up as Ron! Rand's not impressing me so far.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I hope they are doing all this and more. We are trying to win. We are actually succeeding at winning in many cases. GOP is worthless warmongering trash who deserve no respect and deserve as bad taste in their mouths as possible; a taste of tar would not be out of order. These people are sick, they are wrong, they are bad, and we are defeating them, so they can just eat our dust. Go cry about it. We will don our pirate suits and V masks and continue winning. Thank you.

Uh, no, not all of the rest of the Republican party is "bad". Many will end up coming our way, once the message is explained to them in terms that they understand. There is no reason for us to go out of our way to tick any off. And pirate suits and V masks will do us absolutely no good and will cause many to misunderstand this movement even more.

 

[devil21]

^^^^^^
We don't have time to keep at it "just a little longer". Have you seen the shit coming out of Congress lately? In four years this place will be a full blown police state dictatorship with no regard for the Bill of Rights.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think the campaign probably sent out the email to give everyone a dose of reality. Unless a miracle happens and a majority of voters in TX and CA have an epiphany to vote for Paul, then it's totally impossible to prevent Romney from getting the magic number of bound delegates. With this understanding, maybe some of the more hot-headed supporters will chill out when it comes convention time.

We've made many times more headway than we made last time, we have multiple state-chair positions, and probably too many county chair positions to count. Paul is thinking we can take over the party if we just keep at it a little longer. He wants minimal ill will from the old guard so we can take over more positions as time goes on.

The last thing is whether we can ever find another guy who gets people as fired up as Ron! Rand's not impressing me so far.

One more time...

WE are the old guard. We are taking the party back from the interlopers.

 

[LibertyEagle]

^^^^^^
We don't have time to keep at it "just a little longer". Have you seen the shit coming out of Congress lately? In four years this place will be a full blown police state dictatorship with no regard for the Bill of Rights.

Who were you directing that to?

 

[devil21]

Troll Benisforron.

 

[LibertyIn08]

The slagging on Wead for his 'horse not being attached to the Paul campaign' needs to stop. He's not getting hired by an establishment campaign again after working for Paul - he's cast his lot on our side.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Yeah, I'm a troll for agreeing with Ron Paul...

On this forum, that actually doesn't surprise me.

 

[S.Shorland]

**Not American** As far as I can see,this 'revolution' is a return to your founding documents.Ron is a facilitator/conduit but I would expect your delegates there to fight for your constitution and follow their consciences above Ron or any group of people.You are fighting for the freedom of your country and actually the whole world's.

 

[BenIsForRon]

**Not American** As far as I can see,this 'revolution' is a return to your founding documents.Ron is a facilitator/conduit but I would expect your delegates there to fight for your constitution and follow their consciences above Ron or any group of people.You are fighting for the freedom of your country and actually the whole world's.

Lovely to hear this. It's easy to forget that when we finally get a president who is willing to fight for civil liberties, it will not only increase freedom for us, but for the rest of the world. Daniel Hannan's speeches would have a lot more weight if they were endorsed by President Paul.

 

[S.Shorland]

I have a sneaking suspicion Ron's done a deal with Romney but it's more important (in my opinion) that the delegates become true Americans and do what is right,as they themselves determine it,through your constitution and their consciences.That's how Americans are supposed to be and if there is to be a rebirth of the real America,it's how you will all have to act.

 

[muh_roads]

When Americans are eating cat food to save money in the near future, I don't think they will look back and care that a few of our supporters were a little bit disrespectful. Many will wish they had listened and joined us.

 

[The Goat]

Obviously, I am not speaking for the campaign, but from what I have gathered it is the case of our folks dragging out a process that normally is merely a formality into a drawn out nightmare that spills into parking lots etc. For states where the delegates are already bound to a candidate, the convention is simply taking care of the business of figuring out who is going to the convention. These usually run very smoothly, but we have some folks who feel the need to play parliamentarian and call for points of order at every single turn, shout down speakers, etc. As the campaign described it, it has become "chaotic". That is the viewpoint that I am gathering from reading comments and posts on non-Paul sites.

So while I appreciate people's willingness to travel and show up at these conventions, and while they are technically following the rules of the conventions, they are in many ways making a spectacle of themselves (I read somewhere that some people showed up in pirate costumes - I hope that is not true) and quite frankly leaving a very bad taste in the mouths of others. I would venture to guess that many of the persons that attended the conventions in AZ and OK over the weekend, who may have had a neutral to positive opinion of Paul and his supporters prior to the weekend, now view us in a negative way.

As the statement in the OP points out, we are looking for long term viability with this process, and if we are creating animosity between ourselves and other Republicans they will be less likely to want to work with us in the future.

The game at this point is delegates, and when we have the majority you better believe that people will fight for their vote to be counted fairly over the obvious cheating that Rmoney and the establishment are putting out.
This is about trying to control the platform and VP slot if we can get enough delegates. Maybe to you its just about "which delegate is going to the convention" but to the rest of us its not. To me you seem to be more concerned with "party unity" than fighting for what we believe in. Most of the people here could give a crap less about the Republican party or Obamney winning for that matter. If Romney beats Obama, I see it as a set back for liberty.

 

[speciallyblend]

Perhaps I have missed it. Beyond the booing, which people have done since elections have begun, what have our guys done that is disrespectful? On the other hand, our guys have been shoved, stomped on, hit in the back of the head; parliamentary rules have been disregarded by the controlling establishment, conventions have been prematurely shut down, etc. All in an effort to thwart their own bylaws, if it meant stopping Ron Paul supporters from becoming delegates.

So, please tell me, what have our guys done that is so horrible? Because I must have missed it.

i hear ya LE, it is like the ron paul campaign is believing the very people who are lying and cheating their way thru establishment media/gop channels. shakes my head.

 

[tbone717]

The game at this point is delegates, and when we have the majority you better believe that people will fight for their vote to be counted fairly over the obvious cheating that Rmoney and the establishment are putting out.
This is about trying to control the platform and VP slot if we can get enough delegates. Maybe to you its just about "which delegate is going to the convention" but to the rest of us its not. To me you seem to be more concerned with "party unity" than fighting for what we believe in. Most of the people here could give a crap less about the Republican party or Obamney winning for that matter. If Romney beats Obama, I see it as a set back for liberty.

Incorrect. I am concerned about the long term viability of our movement. If we burn too many bridges we will face an even more difficult situation in the upcoming years. So, as Paul has stated, respect and decorum are very important.

Nonetheless, people are free to act however they wish. If someone wants to go to a state convention in a pirate costume, then they can do so, but they do need to realize their actions will have consequences.

 

[speciallyblend]

The game at this point is delegates, and when we have the majority you better believe that people will fight for their vote to be counted fairly over the obvious cheating that Rmoney and the establishment are putting out.
This is about trying to control the platform and VP slot if we can get enough delegates. Maybe to you its just about "which delegate is going to the convention" but to the rest of us its not. To me you seem to be more concerned with "party unity" than fighting for what we believe in. Most of the people here could give a crap less about the Republican party or Obamney winning for that matter. If Romney beats Obama, I see it as a set back for liberty.

exactly how i feel, Ron Paul vs obama lite(romney). a romney nomination by the gop is a set back. At that point doesn't matter if obamney wins or loses, liberty loses! I know who i will be voting for in general!