Ron Paul is a fine man. But I guess that's all he is.

[Carole]

I revere Dr. Paul for doing the thing he was so reluctant to do-running for President.

I will never forget that it was not the thing he genuinely chose to do, but was encouraged to do it for his country. Thank you Dr. Paul for giving so much to us.

His message holds all the power. The man has so much integrity and guts to do this for us.

We should all be forever grateful that he came into our lives to help wake us up.

 

[constituent]

We are talking about Ron Paul the freakin senior citizen right ? LOL my God I think when I get to that age I would justbwanna " Go fishing"

Kudos fer Ron for not just sampling food at Costco at his age

Hi all,

I just wanted to say that I'm surprised at how much you put on the guy's shoulders. He's just one person, who has done more than I have for the policies we advocate.

Regards,
Omphfullas Zamboni

::thumbs up::

 

[micahnelson]

We have too many leaders and not enough teachers. Ron Paul is a teacher. Would he have been a better executive then most in DC? I'm sure- but that isn't saying much.

I think the bigger compliment is Dr. Paul's ability to inspire thought that generates action- that is the definition of leading by example. His message is clear and it makes us want to act. Some of us wish he would tell us what to do, but that would kind of defeat the message, wouldn't it?

To say he is the redeemer of the republic is hyperbole at which he would blush. We, as the citizens of this country, must redeem it ourselves. Ron never said he would fix everything, but he helped show us the way.

Don't confuse meekness with weakness. When the Liberty movement has Bravado in spades, it can be hard to discern the subtle difference.

 

[kjdaugirdas]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

You guys have got to be kidding me.

"Ron Power has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but..."
?

Ron Paul, who just today got THREE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES, who are by no means in agreement on their view of government, to sign a "We Agree" statement highlighting the four MAIN ideas that Ron Paul stands for?

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=484

That's called not only making a powerful statement, but moving towards achieving a RESULT. I think you underestimate the task before us. If anything is to change, consensus will have to be built. IT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT. Not just among "Ron Paul People," but among the disenchanted rank-and-file, people who maybe don't know much about Ron Paul but who can agree to support what the campaign for liberty supports.

Ron Paul is content to END THE WAR
REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT
BALANCE THE BUDGET and
INVESTIGATE THE FEDERAL RESERVE
and squabble about the Gold Standard later.

You should be too. So mend your broken little heart and get to work, like Ron Paul is getting to work.

 

[fedup100]

Then thousands of people will be stupid.

Ron has been very clear. Third parties don't stand a chance currently in our country. They don't get in debates. They don't get media attention. They spend most of their time and money getting on the ballot.

Ron actually wants to have a chance to be successful at reclaiming our country. If we don't do it through one of the major parties, we are sunk before we ever got started.

Note: As far as who "screwed him", I'm seeing plenty of such threads/posts by supposed supporters who I'm sure would hurt him much more than any neocon pigs at the top of the GOP that we allowed by OUR inaction to steal the Republican party.

So, the choice is ours. Are we serious about this deal, or have we just been blowing smoke? I can't stand the people who have gotten control of the Republican party, and I plan to do my damnedest to throw them out on their heads, of what once was the party of small government. What's your choice?

I so agree with you, I too was upset after super Tuesday and I could see the writing on the wall. Paul received the same support that Perot did and Paul didn't have the money. This has scared the big bad wolf and I can promise you, Paul is a target and he has been threatened. Our Government is the biggest most corrupt thug on the block if you don't know that, you will real soon.

Paul had the right message at the right time, but he was the wrong man to lead. You have to imagine his message with a leader like Adam Kokesh, sparks will fly and many will follow.

Paul started the ball rolling, he is too old to keep this fight going, we have to pick up the ball and keep running and passing until we can find the leader to take it home.

I am sorrry to say we have run out of time and Paul said so too. We do not have 4 more years, the wolf is at the door, now. We must do what we can, pray to God for a second chance and hunker down.

We need to come together on this forum and set a deadline of next Monday to have picked a candidate. Paul may not want to start a unified party, so we can do that. We must do that, that is the only thing that makes sense.

We need to quietly move out across the country and by deceit, yes I mean by keeping your mouth shut as to your true politics, run for everything out there on a local level. We must take it back from the bottom up. City, county and State.....and all this revolves around an elected constitutional Sheriff. Once you have done this, the fed gov can go fly a kite. Should fit hit the shan, same plan. Take the city then county then state by what ever means you must.

Get food, gold and silver, the King James Bible and sit an wait. Should God favor us and give us one more chance to get it right, I know the most we can hope for is the following.

A lady had this dream a few days ago that I believe is or was a vision of what is to come here if we are very blessed. I posted it and not one sole would read it. You may not read here, but if you do and you get to the part where Ron Paul is seen with others in DC as the one man that had saved this country and our lives, you will get the picture as to what God may have in store for this wonderful, kind, and gracious man.

Please read this, there is too much detail here to just be a dream:

Posted By: Rayelan
Date: Monday, 8 September 2008, 4:41 p.m.

Hi,

It took me about an hour to write this... maybe longer... I am starting to get light headed... low blood sugar. I am going to post this now... and when I have time... I will come back and correct the typos... ect... PLEASE try to read around the words I left out and the bad typing...
I really feel this is an important dream for all of us...
________________________________________
I awoke about an hour ago. I slept straight through from midnight until 11:30 my time. Did you? If you did, please try to remember your dreams.
I dreamed that the power went off in my area. I have a radio and I knew that we have one locally owned radio station that is set up to stay on the air in all emergencies.

I turned on the radio. I heard that power was off for everything. The telephones didn't work. Cell phones didn't work. The ordinary citizen had no way of knowing what was going on.
I later found out that police radios worked and the way that the radio station was getting their information was from briefings from the local sheriffs and police.
At some point in the dream the California National Guard took over the radio station because it was deemed to be "in the interest of National... or State security".

From then on, we could listen to music, oldtime radio broadcasts like Fibber, McGee and Molly, and old talk shows like Art Bell on UFOs, alternative energy, ghosts... etc..
If a person had a crank radio or solar, they could listen to the radio all day and not be in a state of fear.

Local newspapers were still delivered. Can you believe it??? The local newspapers had the news that the National Guard had given to them. They also had the DATE and the day of the week. People were losing track of time and this was done so people could stay updated on how much time had actually passed.
The newspaper were not delivered to individual houses. There were "nailed on a post" in a central location. This required people to come out of their houses and meet their neighbors.

Schools still went on. Some stores were deemed to be in the public interest, and they were open. Food providers like farmers were given special attention to keep going.
Cows still had to be milked, chickens still had to be fed and eggs collected. Crops had to be harvested. All of it was done under the direction of the California National Guard. The National Guard took their share. But no one starved.
Illegal drugs simply ceased to exist. Drug dealers and meth manufacturers no longer existed. No one even asked why.

People were urged to stay in their houses unless they were walking their children to school. All schools were in walking distance of where children lived or temporary schools were created in a local house or barn.
Toward the end of the "silent" period, the children were the first to be told what had happened. They told their parents.

Then one day, the lights went back on. It was in the middle of winter. Lights and heat and television were restored.
All the same "talking heads" were on television chattering back and forth with their usual entertainment.
Movies and television series started up again.

We all knew that something was different. But we couldn't put our fingers on it.
The Internet came back on line.
Nobody lost their homes because they couldn't work to earn money to pay their mortgages. In fact, ALL mortgages were reduced to 10% of what was owed. If you you owed $300,000.00 on your house, you now owed $30,000.

We were told that during the "blackout" all financial records were lost. All credit card debt was wiped out because of this... as were all credit cards. The plastic that people had been living on was gone.
Most people could easily make their house payments now. People could buy food and clothes and without worrying about how to pay their credit card balances.
The Internet had been scrubbed. There was NO current political or geopolitical history.

As the sites began to come back on line, those of us with the "Sovereign Mindset", began to realize that history had been re-written.
We didn't know what had happened.
Had we been transported to a new time line?
Were we even on the same planet?

Life went back to normal. People had kids. Kids went to school. Governments began to start working again.
It was different. We all KNEW it was different, but we didn't know how.
We were free. The National Guard was no longer patrolling our streets.
We had a President in the White House and Governors in the State Houses.
But things were different.

We all knew things were different, and we talked about it on the Internet. But we couldn't spell out what had happened.
We knew that history had been re-written. But the new version of history was something that "felt" right to the Internet world.

Most people didn't care about what had happened. They didn't even know that key parts of our history had changed.
The same flags waved over their town and that was all that mattered to them. It signified "that our Flag was still there."... i.e. The United States was still there.
As time went on, we discovered that many countries had gone through the same thing that the United States went through. Whatever happened was worldwide.
The most incredible part of the dream was the "length" of it. I truly feel as if I have done all the little things that needed to be done everyday... for six long weeks.

Our local neighborhood spent a lot of time getting to know each other. We had potlucks in each others' houses. We shared our food and our warmth. Those of us with fireplaces allowed those our neighbors who didn't have them to sleep in our houses at night. We didn't travel outside of our communities. Everyone had a local store within walking distance. Food was free and rationed and no one in my area went hungry.

Those of us who could work in the fields were asked to. I worked in an apple packing shed near where I live.
When apple season was over and there was no work for me. I was sent to a center where I talked with people and found out what they needed.
During the dream, I seemed to be living in "real time". Maybe that's why I needed to sleep for almost 12 hours.

Once the power came back on, those of us who had been given "temporary jobs" were let go and we all went back to life as it was before the "Great Blackout"... as it was named.
Social Security still existed and it started paying out right on time. VA benefits were still paid as were most of the other retirements accounts. People who had proof of what they had in the bank were given their money back.
Lots of people lost money because they kept no physical record of it in their possession.

This was talked about on the Internet and people gathered together to fight the government to get back the money for those who had lost it.
Congressional hearings were set up and citizens went before Congress and told their stories.
Who was President?

Someone that I didn't know. Someone that I had never heard of.
But there were enough "familiar" names and faces surrounding the President that all of us felt comfortable.
Ron Paul was there. He's the ONLY one I knew by sight when television had been restored.

There were no foreign tanks on our streets. If there had been riots, no one knew about them.
Life started up again as if we were in a new world...
Life was different. We felt different. We spent a lot of time talking back and forth on the internet about HOW different we felt.
Rumor Mill News was still here. So were most of the other sites that we all know and love.

Most of our archived articles were gone. We had to start all over again. But that seemed okay to all of us. We were all just happy to be alive.
There were whispers that lots of people had died during the blackout. But there was no coverage of that on the internet or otherwise. No one knew anyone who had died, except of natural causes.

We knew that many of the elderly died because the machines that had been keeping them alive wouldn't work without power.
Those of us who survived it remembered how family-like we had all been while we were going "through it". We didn't lose the love and affection we had developed for our neighbors and families.

The Internet became a place for use to share our experiences.
What it felt like to deliver a baby in your own home.
What it felt like to set a broken bone because there was no way to get to a hospital.

How neighbors shared what they had with those who needed it.
One of the things that was reported quite a bit was how drug addicted people disappeared during the blackout. Some of them re-appeared after the blackout with no drug addiction.

What happened to these people? Where were they taken. In all earlier dreams and predictions of something like this... those people would have just been taken out and killed. But in this dream, they were taken out and healed and then returned to their families and communities... like bright and shining lights.
Not all of these "drug addicted people" returned. Some parents were told that their children did not survive the "detox period".

This was one of the hearings that went on in Congress. Parents who were looking for their missing children were taken to Congress to ask about it.
Those of us on the Internet knew that it was just a show... but no one had any idea what had happened or who made the decision of who lived and who died... in the drug addict community.

Those of us who seek the truth... weren't muzzled by anyone. There was a different feel about the world. It just felt like everything would be revealed in time. We had great expectations for the future. We didn't fear war, we looked to the stars.
There wasn't an alien invasion. But suddenly we all knew and accepted that we weren't the only intelligent beings in the Universe.

Churches were still there. We used church buildings as community centers during the black out and when the blackout was over, we just continued going there.
In my area, the local Elks Club became the "community center" and church on Sunday. Since I am ordained, I was asked to give a Sunday sermon.
I am sure that I will remember far more as time goes on... How can you write up 12 hours of a non stop dream in one sitting?

I guess the main thing that I am wondering is this...
Did anyone else have a similar dream last night?
Maybe if we piece together our dreams we might be able to figure out what really went on during the blackout.
My best guess???

A change of power... The oligarchs who have been using their world as their personal playpen were neutralized by whatever means it took.
One last note...
At midnight last night, I was just about to watch George Green's interview on Project Camelot. I had been looking forward to watching it all day. I was going to take my laptop to bed with me.

Suddenly, after I had finished some of the "business as usual" for RMN... I was so exhausted that I turned off the computer and fell into bed without watching George's interview.
I know George Green. He and I and VK Durham were all victims of the same people.

Here is the link to his page on Project Camelot
I had chosen to watch the Google stream because I like the size of the video screen.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7649462083172014414

I don't know why. I didn't WATCH the video last night, and I am not sure WHEN I am going to have a chance to do so... today is really a busy day for me...
BUT... I have a feeling that there is something in the video that has answers for me about what happened last night.

The answers may JUST be for me... I don't know... but I suspect that George has a lot of really interesting things to say that will help everyone put their own puzzle together.
That's one of the other things I realized last night...
Here at RMN we have pulled many different threads together and we have encouraged everyone to put the "pieces of the Puzzle" together.
What I now realize is the puzzle we put together will be different for each of us... because each of us is a totally unique being... therefore each of us will pull together the puzzle in a unique way.

In other words... we all will have the freedom to
CREATE OUR OWN REALITY
I am going to close for now because I haven't eaten and am getting light headed.

 

[BillyDkid]

Ron Paul is a gentleman. He has been actively fighting for liberty for 20 years as a Congressman, even when nobody knew who he was. For this, we owe him a huge debt of gratitude.

I agree that we all owe Dr. Paul a huge debt, but this whole thing is just going to whither away and die and nothing is going to change unless somebody takes the reigns. Any movement needs a leader - someone with access to power. We can not change the GOP. The Libertarians are a lost cause. The Democrats dreams of socialism. There is no place for us to go. I just don't see anything changing ever until it all collapses.

Unless we use this passion that has awakened in so many for real change and liberty and a return to the republic without a party that actually supports those principles. I don't see how this can be done without forming a new party. Is it a long shot and does it seem next to impossible - of course it does and it's meant to be that way, but what other option is there? There can not be a movement without cohesiveness. We don't even have an identity except as a bunch of individuals who supported Ron Paul and believe in liberty and the principles on which the country is founded. That and 4.50 gets you a mocha latte at Starbucks.

Okay , even if it is not a party, it has to be something, something tangible. How many thousands put their all into this only give up and surrender to the sense of the futility of the whole thing when Dr. Paul's campaign ended. We saw what the GOP did to him - the way it marginalized him and silenced us. Won't they only be better at it the next time? And won't they be only more prepared to deal with it? You don't think they've had a few meeting discussing the ways they can prevent the embarrassment of ever having a Ron Paul spoil their party? Dr. Paul says we have started a movement that isn't going away. I wish I could believe that, but I don't. The few of us who keep believing will be relegated further into the fringe of national politics.

Unless we use what energy and passion and numbers we have left to form some sort of a meaningful organization, preferably a party. Look, if we formed a party and we had a candidates and our own convention - we don't have to be worried about being blackballed by the GOP. I know, I know, look at what happens to the other "third party" parties - but NONE of them has the money and the support that we were all willing to give Ron Paul. Imagine money bombs in support of a candidate from OUR OWN party. With support like we gave Ron Paul (which none of the other minor party candidates had or have) and the many millions of dollars they couldn't keep us out of the debates just like they couldn't keep Perot out. This is why we couldn't win - because we were trying to win the GOP nod all the while knowing that the GOP HATES us and would stop at nothing to stop us. As a separate party they would have no power over us. Look at it this way, if Dr. Paul had run as an independent or third party candidate he would still have more than enough support to still be a viable candidate. All of we milllion of Ron Paul supporters are left with nowhere to go and no one to support. If Dr. Paul was still in the race we would still be supporting him, still giving him million and still have a shot.

We have FOUR years to get a representative from OUR party on all the ballots. Why aren't we doing that? Because we don't have a party! and we don't have a candidate. There is so obviously a desperate hunger in the country for a real choice and we have none. There is half the population who doesn't vote - because the is not a single person running who stand for what they believe in. It is utterly insane. Isn't it obvious? If there isn't an existing party that represents your views - even the Libertarians are not libertarian - isn't the answer to form one that does? Instead you are going to try and change to views and policies of a deeply entrenched party that stand everything you oppose???? Explain the logic to me.

We had all the money we needed to fully fund the start up of a powerful third party. What was the total Dr. Paul raised??? Was it 18 or 20 million - I don't remember. Don't you think we could raise that much money easily in support of our own party supporting a candidate who actually shares our views about liberty and small government? Look at all the conservative and liberals and other you would have never dreamed of who gravitated to Dr. Paul because of the principles he expressed? Don't you think these same people would be deliriously happy to help found a party that would actually represent those principles? I know I would. Wouldn't you?

We can raise many millions of dollars to support Dr. Paul in a Quixotic bid for the GOP nomination, but we can't raise that same money to create a serious party what actually supports our views. How is that less realistic than kidding yourself that, for some inexplicable reason, the GOP would suddenly support small government and personal liberty and peace? The party who actually is proudly pro-war and thinks authoritarianism is patriotism at its best? Are we going to blow this opportunity - the fact that we all managed to find each other - a whole bunch of other people who actually believe in the principles on which this country was founded??? I just don't get it.

Keep talking about how impossible it is to start a new party and for a new party to gain acceptance. Well then you might as well throw up your hands and be happy with the way things are because that is how they are going to stay, with primary role of government in our live is interfere with our rights and protect the interests of our owners. The existing small parties are lost causes, not to mention almost all of them directly oppose the principles of liberty. The two big parties also have agendas which directly oppose everything we hold dear. So what is left? What is left for us to do? Be delirious because once in a blue moon we get Dr. Paul on Fox or MSNBC for 5 minutes and we get to hear a few words about liberty?

They are not going to give us a chance. If we want it, we are going to have to take it and it's not going to happen with rallies where a few "wingnuts" get up and rile the faithful us and somebody sings an antiwar song. They are never going to give us the power to change anything. Our only way we can do it is to take it and that can only mean beating them at their own game on not being dependent on them to give us a fair shake.

The Libertarians will never be taken seriously and because their ideas are bad or don't appeal - it's because they are never heard by 99% of the people in the country. I just don't see any hope for us without our own party - a party with no other purpose but to restore America to the basic principles on which it was founded. Look, the GOP beat us. They just beat us. That is all there is to it. And the next time they will beat us even worse because they will be prepared for us. Third parties are a joke for the most part because they have no money, but we have shown that millions of people will support a candidate with their money if they believe in his ideas.

Why wouldn't they support a party and that parties candidate with that same money based on those ideas? Dr. Paul talks about how hard it is for a third party to get on ballots and the rest of it, but if we start now we have four years to build and to work on that and to get ourselves known. The longer we wait, the harder it will be. Sorry to go on so. These are just my opinions. We are going to loss this if we don't fight for it and formalize it and all get behind it as a single initiative with the single goal of restoring this country.

I know we have just gotten over a long campaign that many people poured their hearts and wallets into, but now is the time to try to build this into something real. Why hasn't anybody stepped up to take over for Dr. Paul? Dr. Paul is a reluctant leader - we actually love that about him. But we still need somebody who will volunteer their life to be our voice and to take responsibility and ownership of the movement. We need somebody now as an heir apparent. It is unfortunate, but any movement must have a leader and a figurehead.

We still have this power still and no real place to channel it. If we had a party and some people willing to step up and lead it, we would all know what to do. We would starting drives now to build our coffers for the next campaign. We would be looking at what the best strategies our for TV commercials. We would be hiring publicists to develop the next campaign. We would have 40 million dollars ready to go before the campaign even started. We can not play the game the way the big boys play it and expect to compete. We have to be way ahead of them and all we have on our side right now is time.

 

[angelatc]

It's not "spot on". Paul is indeed a philosophical leader, and not a political leader, but I don't think he is in it for the fame and thinks it's about him. He seems to be an activist rather than what everyone wanted, which was a person who could go toe-to-toe with the two party system and get a significant amount of votes. But he isn't, he ran to express his ideas, I don't think ever wanted to be President. He just wanted his ideas, our ideas, to rise out of it all.

.

I am not saying you're wrong. But how can we possibly hope to find another candidate that even 80% of us can agree on?

 

[BeFranklin]

You guys have got to be kidding me.

"Ron Power has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but..."
?

Ron Paul, who just today got THREE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES, who are by no means in agreement on their view of government, to sign a "We Agree" statement highlighting the four MAIN ideas that Ron Paul stands for?

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=484

That's called not only making a powerful statement, but moving towards achieving a RESULT. I think you underestimate the task before us. If anything is to change, consensus will have to be built. IT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT. Not just among "Ron Paul People," but among the disenchanted rank-and-file, people who maybe don't know much about Ron Paul but who can agree to support what the campaign for liberty supports.

Ron Paul is content to END THE WAR
REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT
BALANCE THE BUDGET and
INVESTIGATE THE FEDERAL RESERVE
and squabble about the Gold Standard later.

You should be too. So mend your broken little heart and get to work, like Ron Paul is getting to work.

This is a lot more spot on I think.

 

[coffeewithchess]

I don't think ever wanted to be President.

Very, very true...very sad. I wish it weren't true. I'm grateful that RP has been standing in the toilet and trying to keep the other politicians from flushing the country down it, but with $30+million raised by a campaign, and not ONE single national campaign ad, something reeked of sewage within the campaign itself. If he was truly running only to spread his message, why even waste money on localized 1980s quality commercials like he ran in New Hampshire? Why not spend some money and at least spread a liberty message across the entire nation and into states that didn't hear his name mentioned after February.

 

[Badger Paul]

Amazing that so many individualists around here are waiting for a man on a white horse with a sword in his had to tell them what to do.

Ron Paul lives a libertarian lifestyle. He true to himself and his beliefs. This what libertarianism supposedly is folks. It's amazing so many cannot recognize it.

 

[JohnMeridith]

Very, very true...very sad. I wish it weren't true. I'm grateful that RP has been standing in the toilet and trying to keep the other politicians from flushing the country down it, but with $30+million raised by a campaign, and not ONE single national campaign ad, something reeked of sewage within the campaign itself. If he was truly running only to spread his message, why even waste money on localized 1980s quality commercials like he ran in New Hampshire? Why not spend some money and at least spread a liberty message across the entire nation and into states that didn't hear his name mentioned after February.

funny, I didn't hear about him until after feb.

 

[Highland]

Are you guys kiddin'...? Ron Paul Rocks! He's up there with Stephen Hawking and Alice in Wonderland!

 

[libertarian4321]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

Unfortunately, there are many people like you in the movement- people who want everything to change now, and demand action, without really thinking it through.

Okay, lets assume Ron did what you want.

Lets assume he came out an endorsed a third party candidate (it doesn't matter which). Think about it- what, exactly, would that have accomplished? Maybe got them to 1.5% instead of 1.1% (I'm being generous here- its unlikely that any of the third party candidates will crack 1% with or without Ron Paul's endorsement)?

What good would that do for the LONG TERM strength of the Liberty movement? I posit that it would accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Same for the much flogged "Ron Paul third party run" dead horse.

In return for accomplishing nothing, he'd destroy any chance of having his policies accepted by the Republican Party (you can agree or disagree with his desire to change the party from within, but thats what he's chosen to do). He'd also be completely ostracized by the party (he may be marginalized now, but he's not shunned).

Sometimes aggressive, in your face actions aren't the best for LONG TERM success. Frankly, its not Dr. Paul's personality to be a loud, agressive bomb thrower/rabble rouse, and he wouldn't be affective at doing it.

Our guy didn't win this year folks. At this point, Ron can either work to build the movement long term (e.g. the CFL) or he can go out kicking and screaming like a madman and accomplishing nothing. He chose the former.

That leaves you four options: 1. vote for McCain 2. Vote for Obama or 3. Curl up into a fetal position and have a good cry or 4. Continue the fight.

I'll choose number 4- if the rest of you prefer number 3, I'll hand you a tissue...

 

[revolutionary8]

Then thousands of people will be stupid.

Ron has been very clear. Third parties don't stand a chance currently in our country. They don't get in debates. They don't get media attention. They spend most of their time and money getting on the ballot.

Ron actually wants to have a chance to be successful at reclaiming our country. If we don't do it through one of the major parties, we are sunk before we ever got started.

Note: As far as who "screwed him", I'm seeing plenty of such threads/posts by supposed supporters who I'm sure would hurt him much more than any neocon pigs at the top of the GOP that we allowed by OUR inaction to steal the Republican party.

So, the choice is ours. Are we serious about this deal, or have we just been blowing smoke? I can't stand the people who have gotten control of the Republican party, and I plan to do my damnedest to throw them out on their heads, of what once was the party of small government. What's your choice?

Good post LE. I am super serious. As Ron Paul said, we must change THE SYSTEM if we are going to get anywhere. The votes are rigged and paid for, the debates are a total scam, and watching the MSM babble on is like watching a "horse race" and it is a total "Charade" just as RP said on Blitzer. Our only hope is unifying in order to change the system. We are fortunate in some ways because the MSM is losing more and more credibility every day, and if the neocons try to rig this election like they have done in the past, then we will have a whole hellllluva lot of obama zombies woken up to "election fraud". heh.

 

[LibertyInJeopardy]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

Have you seen the video of him speaking at this press conference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LMoWqXrE4

Listen to his passion and open your eyes to what he is trying to do.

 

[lele]

Unfortunately, there are many people like you in the movement- people who want everything to change now, and demand action, without really thinking it through.

Okay, lets assume Ron did what you want.

Lets assume he came out an endorsed a third party candidate (it doesn't matter which). Think about it- what, exactly, would that have accomplished? Maybe got them to 1.5% instead of 1.1% (I'm being generous here- its unlikely that any of the third party candidates will crack 1% with or without Ron Paul's endorsement)?

What good would that do for the LONG TERM strength of the Liberty movement? I posit that it would accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Same for the much flogged "Ron Paul third party run" dead horse.

In return for accomplishing nothing, he'd destroy any chance of having his policies accepted by the Republican Party (you can agree or disagree with his desire to change the party from within, but thats what he's chosen to do). He'd also be completely ostracized by the party (he may be marginalized now, but he's not shunned).

Sometimes aggressive, in your face actions aren't the best for LONG TERM success. Frankly, its not Dr. Paul's personality to be a loud, agressive bomb thrower/rabble rouse, and he wouldn't be affective at doing it.

Our guy didn't win this year folks. At this point, Ron can either work to build the movement long term (e.g. the CFL) or he can go out kicking and screaming like a madman and accomplishing nothing. He chose the former.

That leaves you four options: 1. vote for McCain 2. Vote for Obama or 3. Curl up into a fetal position and have a good cry or 4. Continue the fight.

I'll choose number 4- if the rest of you prefer number 3, I'll hand you a tissue...

You nailed it lib4321. There's nothing left to be said.

 

[lele]

Unfortunately, there are many people like you in the movement- people who want everything to change now, and demand action, without really thinking it through.

Okay, lets assume Ron did what you want.

Lets assume he came out an endorsed a third party candidate (it doesn't matter which). Think about it- what, exactly, would that have accomplished? Maybe got them to 1.5% instead of 1.1% (I'm being generous here- its unlikely that any of the third party candidates will crack 1% with or without Ron Paul's endorsement)?

What good would that do for the LONG TERM strength of the Liberty movement? I posit that it would accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Same for the much flogged "Ron Paul third party run" dead horse.

In return for accomplishing nothing, he'd destroy any chance of having his policies accepted by the Republican Party (you can agree or disagree with his desire to change the party from within, but thats what he's chosen to do). He'd also be completely ostracized by the party (he may be marginalized now, but he's not shunned).

Sometimes aggressive, in your face actions aren't the best for LONG TERM success. Frankly, its not Dr. Paul's personality to be a loud, agressive bomb thrower/rabble rouse, and he wouldn't be affective at doing it.

Our guy didn't win this year folks. At this point, Ron can either work to build the movement long term (e.g. the CFL) or he can go out kicking and screaming like a madman and accomplishing nothing. He chose the former.

That leaves you four options: 1. vote for McCain 2. Vote for Obama or 3. Curl up into a fetal position and have a good cry or 4. Continue the fight.

I'll choose number 4- if the rest of you prefer number 3, I'll hand you a tissue...

There you have it, lib4321 totally nailed it. What more is there to say?

 

[Rangeley]

unfortunately, there are many people like you in the movement- people who want everything to change now, and demand action, without really thinking it through.

Okay, lets assume ron did what you want.

Lets assume he came out an endorsed a third party candidate (it doesn't matter which). Think about it- what, exactly, would that have accomplished? Maybe got them to 1.5% instead of 1.1% (i'm being generous here- its unlikely that any of the third party candidates will crack 1% with or without ron paul's endorsement)?

What good would that do for the long term strength of the liberty movement? I posit that it would accomplish exactly nothing.

Same for the much flogged "ron paul third party run" dead horse.

In return for accomplishing nothing, he'd destroy any chance of having his policies accepted by the republican party (you can agree or disagree with his desire to change the party from within, but thats what he's chosen to do). He'd also be completely ostracized by the party (he may be marginalized now, but he's not shunned).

Sometimes aggressive, in your face actions aren't the best for long term success. Frankly, its not dr. Paul's personality to be a loud, agressive bomb thrower/rabble rouse, and he wouldn't be affective at doing it.

Our guy didn't win this year folks. At this point, ron can either work to build the movement long term (e.g. The cfl) or he can go out kicking and screaming like a madman and accomplishing nothing. He chose the former.

That leaves you four options: 1. Vote for mccain 2. Vote for obama or 3. Curl up into a fetal position and have a good cry or 4. Continue the fight.

I'll choose number 4- if the rest of you prefer number 3, i'll hand you a tissue...

+1776.

 

[Conza88]

*cue dramatic violin music*

 

[nodope0695]

I'm a $2300 club member too, and I share some of your frustration. For example,

1. I did not like to see my hard earned money going to pay the salaries of inept campaign staffers, or to pay for mailers sent to people who already supported RP's campaign.

2. All the money RP raised from US, the grassroots should have been better spent. I NEVER saw a Ron Paul television comercial, NEVER. I heard ONE Ron Paul radio spot on XM Radio. TV and Radio spots should have been purchased for the major news channels and network affiliates in every major state, if not all fifty.

3. What the hell happened on Super Tuesday?????

4. The RP campaing should have invited corespondents from the major news networks to travel with him on the campaign trail, just as the McShame, Huckabee, and Ghouliani campaings did.

5. The campaign should have taken the matching funds from the gov't and used it to finance a vigorous media campaign.

6. The RP campaign had zero debt after all expendatures. An honorable accomplishment, however if aquiring a resonable amount of debt could have won us some primaries, or even the nomination, wouldn't it have been worth it?

All in all, I have always stood behind Ron Paul's message. But I'm just a little bit upset that his campaign always seemed, well...half-ass.

So, go ahead and flame me, but I will still support RP's vision of constitutional governent of the people, by the people, and for the people.