Ron Paul is a fine man. But I guess that's all he is.

[MelissaCato]

but I do believe this is all to do with possible threats against him and his family.

I believe so too. There was a video posted with Alex Jones interviewing a dude from the Trilateral commission saying there's an "assassanation need" if he didn't stop campaigning and rounding up supporters... this video was posted about a week before Ron Paul ended his campaign. As soon as I watched that video, I knew the Dr. would end the campaign and take another route as soon as he heard about this.

Where was the Phucken Media then ..... that should have made headlines world wide !!!!!!

I'm gonna dig up that video now ... hang on

 

[max]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

U are right! Ron Paul never really fought nor attacked the media.

Had he run on the libertarian ticket when it was offered to him, this movement would have amounted to something far greater than a new website....which is all CFL really is.

As much as I love him....he is not the man to lead a war. We need a man with RP's intellect and Jesse Ventura's combativeness.

 

[angelatc]

I believe so too. There was a video posted with Alex Jones interviewing a dude from the Trilateral commission saying there's an "assassanation need" if he didn't stop campaigning and rounding up supporters... this video was posted about a week before Ron Paul ended his campaign. As soon as I watched that video, I knew the Dr. would end the campaign and take another route as soon as he heard about this.

Where was the Phucken Media then ..... that should have made headlines world wide !!!!!!

I'm gonna dig up that video now ... hang on

You don't think Paul ended his campaign because the primaries were over?

 

[crusader]

U are right! Ron Paul never really fought nor attacked the media.

Had he run on the libertarian ticket when it was offered to him, this movement would have amounted to something far greater than a new website....which is all CFL really is.

As much as I love him....he is not the man to lead a war. We need a man with RP's intellect and Jesse Ventura's combativeness.

Which MSM outlet do you guys work for? Fox?

Get off our website trolls.

 

[angelatc]

Which MSM outlet do you guys work for? Fox?

Get off our website trolls.

You guys are awful. Even patriots have moments of doubt. Even Jesus had a moment of doubt.

Kicking a guy when he stumbles will do nothing except reduce our ranks.

 

[FindLiberty]

If I recall correctly,
Jesse Ventura said he was getting out of politics because of threats to his family.

 

[MelissaCato]

but I do believe this is all to do with possible threats against him and his family.

I believe so too. There was a video posted with Alex Jones interviewing a dude from the Trilateral commission saying there's an "assassanation need" if he didn't stop campaigning and rounding up supporters... this video was posted about a week before Ron Paul ended his campaign. As soon as I watched that video, I knew the Dr. would end the campaign and take another route as soon as he heard about this.

Where was the Phucken Media then ..... that should have made headlines world wide !!!!!!

I'm gonna dig up that video now ... hang on

I can't find the original but ....

Here's the interview .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrEulRuTqco&feature=related listen to 2:35-37

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I agree with the OP to a certain extent. I wish some people would stop calling those who question Ron Paul or C4L trolls. Ron Paul is a GREAT man and he pulled a bunch of like minded people together, unfortunatly, he didn't keep us together. C4L , I perceive to be not Ron Paul , but a bunch of people who want to make money through a non profit organization, and saw an opportunity because of the zeal of Ron Paul supporters, AND their generocity. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Ron Paul should have endorsed ONE candidate, whether it was McCain or whoever...to keep the movement together. I would say his handlers, advisors or whoever , told him to endorse all 4 so that the Baldwin supporters wouldn't get mad and quit the C4L or the Barr supporters wouldn't get mad and quit the C4L..AND to pull in supporters of Nader and McKinney..so they told him to sit squarely in the middle. Ventura is a classless wrestler, and I woudln't dream of supporting him...he's surfing in Mexico. I love Ron Paul, what he pulled together is a great thing...but I'm not keen on C4L because I dont' think Ron Paul is running the show. They remind me of the Granny's who cashed in on the Ron Paul brigade for their own agenda. I preferred the illusion of the grass roots working together for a common cause rather than a top down dictatorship...that is lost now. I wonder how it can be pulled together? Ron Paul is the glue...not whoever is running the C4L in Ron Pauls name. Tones (let the trashing commence)

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Hes a humble old man, leave him alone.

If there were threats made to his family, then that is just more to say the movement needs to work from the bottom - up.

 

[MelissaCato]

You don't think Paul ended his campaign because the primaries were over?

No I don't think so. He had the 50 delegates for the nomination @ the GOP. Actually history proves you only need 1 to have spot on the nomination.

So, clearly he was following the rules. Why would he end the campaign when we achieved the goal ?

Someone explain to me please. I'm a bit confused in my stupid.

 

[JohnMeridith]

I agree with the OP to a certain extent. I wish some people would stop calling those who question Ron Paul or C4L trolls.

if they are trolling, then what should they be called?

Ron Paul is a GREAT man and he pulled a bunch of like minded people together, unfortunatly, he didn't keep us together.

How would he have done that?

C4L , I perceive to be not Ron Paul , but a bunch of people who want to make money through a non profit organization, and saw an opportunity because of the zeal of Ron Paul supporters, AND their generocity. Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

baseless claim? or post your proof. Is this your WMD?

Ron Paul should have endorsed ONE candidate, whether it was McCain or whoever...to keep the movement together. I would say his handlers, advisors or whoever , told him to endorse all 4 so that the Baldwin supporters wouldn't get mad and quit the C4L or the Barr supporters wouldn't get mad and quit the C4L..AND to pull in supporters of Nader and McKinney..so they told him to sit squarely in the middle.

Well if he doesn't agree with any of the 4 platforms, BUT they agreed to honor the 4 point plan, then I would say he did an exceptional job of sticking to his word. I guess that's not important to you? That is the thing that makes him a great man. He has stuck to his word and his beliefs and never taken the easy meal ticket.

Ventura is a classless wrestler, and I woudln't dream of supporting him...he's surfing in Mexico.

I think he would have more class than to bash a freedom lover. He doesn't deserve to surf in Mexico? Has he not served his fellow citizens?

I love Ron Paul, what he pulled together is a great thing...but I'm not keen on C4L because I dont' think Ron Paul is running the show.

Think? Most intelligent people would make these claims based on facts.

I preferred the illusion of the grass roots working together for a common cause rather than a top down dictatorship...that is lost now. I wonder how it can be pulled together? Ron Paul is the glue...not whoever is running the C4L in Ron Pauls name. Tones (let the trashing commence)

Self governing liberty lovers wouldn't truly wait for the c4l to tell them what to do.

Ron Paul would not get anything accomplished if he were president since there are over 400 people who oppose him in power ATM on any given day(Senators/Congressmen/SC Judge's).

 

[MelissaCato]

Ron Paul would not get anything accomplished if he were president since there are over 400 people who oppose him in power ATM on any given day(Senators/Congressmen/SC Judge's).

Why couldn't he just replace them with mini me ron pauls ? Clinton did.

 

[durden0]

Unfortunately, there are many people like you in the movement- people who want everything to change now, and demand action, without really thinking it through.

Okay, lets assume Ron did what you want.

Lets assume he came out an endorsed a third party candidate (it doesn't matter which). Think about it- what, exactly, would that have accomplished? Maybe got them to 1.5% instead of 1.1% (I'm being generous here- its unlikely that any of the third party candidates will crack 1% with or without Ron Paul's endorsement)?

What good would that do for the LONG TERM strength of the Liberty movement? I posit that it would accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Same for the much flogged "Ron Paul third party run" dead horse.

In return for accomplishing nothing, he'd destroy any chance of having his policies accepted by the Republican Party (you can agree or disagree with his desire to change the party from within, but thats what he's chosen to do). He'd also be completely ostracized by the party (he may be marginalized now, but he's not shunned).

Sometimes aggressive, in your face actions aren't the best for LONG TERM success. Frankly, its not Dr. Paul's personality to be a loud, agressive bomb thrower/rabble rouse, and he wouldn't be affective at doing it.

Our guy didn't win this year folks. At this point, Ron can either work to build the movement long term (e.g. the CFL) or he can go out kicking and screaming like a madman and accomplishing nothing. He chose the former.

That leaves you four options: 1. vote for McCain 2. Vote for Obama or 3. Curl up into a fetal position and have a good cry or 4. Continue the fight.

I'll choose number 4- if the rest of you prefer number 3, I'll hand you a tissue...

I'll second these sentiments.

The good Dr. has been doing this for longer than most people here knew what freedom meant. This is a long term struggle, it will not be won overnight, it will not be won in one election cycle, or inside of one party. This struggle is bigger than us, bigger than the libertarian or republican parties. This is a fight is about educating a populace that has become complacent with a tyrannical government on it's way to fascism/socialism.

Ron Paul is the Barry Goldwater of a movement that must not falter and must not fail. But our end goal is not electing a Ron Paul republican to the presidency, or to get the most votes for a third party, it is the education and realignment of conventional thought in American politics and of freedom itself.

 

[JohnMeridith]

Why couldn't he just replace them with mini me ron pauls ? Clinton did.

You do understand that the congress and senate can't be replaced by the president right?

 

[MelissaCato]

You do understand that the congress and senate can't be replaced by the president right?

Ya, that's what I heard. Clinton did what Reagan did, cleaned house at the Department of Justice upon taking office. Reagan acted in his own interests much the same as the Clinton's administration did ... when he sought the prompt removal of all U.S. Attorneys from the previous administration, notwithstanding the fact that most of the persons whose nominations were to be submitted had not been selected.

But, ya that's what I heard.

 

[westmich4paul]

Endorsing a third party = kicked out of the republican party. Means losing his seat. Means losing his voice.

Third party run = could never happen again losing his seat.

SO WAKE THE FUCK UP

He just basically did just that at his so- called major announcement, He ran as a Third Party in 88 and is still Republican. So he loses his damn seat when he is usually outvoted 500 and something to 1 wtf does it matter?

Sounds like you need to wake the fuck up andrealize that his message is awesome, his messge is strong, but he has done nothing until this year when he decided to take his meaasge to the people instead of the evil bastaerds in Washgington that want him to go away.

Hell is own Party does not want him nor his supporters and they have made it perfectly clear. Do not get beligererant with us that have had enough of the abuse we take as well as the abusive nature Ron's has taken for 20 plus years at the hands of his own Party.

I did not see his Party giving him 1.2 million votes of confidence during the primary elections. I didn't see his Party giving him well over 30 million dollars to run a campaign his own Party did not want him to run.

The Republican Party even with the endorsement of Ronald Reagan still treats him like shit. Hell I did not see Nanacy Reagan endorsing Ron's buddy Paul instead she endorses McCain with whom she supposedly couldn't stand after the way John treated his exwife.

Ron Paul owes the Republican Party not a damn thing, and the people of the congressional district of Paul should nominate him no matter what Party affiliation he has. Ron has supported his congresssional district with honor, principle, and integrity.

I challenge any poster on this board to make a case as to why Ron should stay with a Party that obviously does not want him, why he should not run as an independant. Ron's voters come from all affiliations Republicans, Democrats, Independants, ndpeople who couldhave gave a damn before hearing Ron speak.

So when you say Wake the Fuck up you are right , we neeed to wake the fuck up, we need to wake the fuck up and realize that if we do not get rid of this damn campaign staff that has chumped this campaign and we need to get rid of the Republican moniker we might as all just as well vote Obama, McCain, or just go back into not giving a rats ass about the shape of this country.

I keep hearing it was never about Ron, It was about the message, wee you know what you take Ron out of the message and you have nothing all over again. It is about Ron, people can believe him and they know it it is hisvoting recrd, it is his never quit attitude, it is his passiveyey honest message telling us gthere is a problem and it needs to be fixed.

So do not jump this poster he is spot on right, just because you haven't quite gotten it yet if Ron does not run in 2012 either as an accepted Republican or as nindependant. we might as all well just go home accept this country will bejst exactly where it is heading another fallen empire.

 

[walt]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

+1
You don't continue to have a clown and family run your PR, Ron has great ideas, but he can't execute.

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

Let this hate thread die.

 

[Sally08]

I did not see his Party giving him 1.2 million votes of confidence during the primary elections.

I keep seeing those million votes bandied about. Yet, CFL struggled to get 100,000 "members" including fictitious troll memberships like "Hitler".

Given the serious "lesser of 2 evils" voting that has gone on for decades, how many of those million votes for RP were protest votes *against* McCain, Romney, and Huckabee?

If RP has asked his supporters to use protest votes to make a point, how many of those formal votes were simply protest votes, as well, *not* "positive votes* for RP?

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

I keep seeing those million votes bandied about. Yet, CFL struggled to get 100,000 "members" including fictitious troll memberships like "Hitler".

Given the serious "lesser of 2 evils" voting that has gone on for decades, how many of those million votes for RP were protest votes *against* McCain, Romney, and Huckabee?

If RP has asked his supporters to use protest votes to make a point, how many of those formal votes were simply protest votes, as well, *not* "positive votes* for RP?

Not every Ron Paul Republican surfs the net often enough to even KNOW about the CFL. Half of those that do probably dont want to be put on a centralized list. Ron Paul's number of unique donors and the CFL membership correlate quite well. This is all common sense. Stop trolling. I hate to sound like the always sunshine true believer here, but this forum is so overwhelmed with phony criticism of Ron Paul that I feel the need to set things right.