Ron Paul is a fine man. But I guess that's all he is.

[JohnMeridith]

exactly, I meet about 10 or so ron paul people a month in my area(people with bumper stickers) and maybe 1 or 2 since june even know about the cfl.

 

[Sally08]

Not every Ron Paul Republican surfs the net often enough to even KNOW about the CFL. Half of those that do probably dont want to be put on a centralized list. Ron Paul's number of unique donors and the CFL membership correlate quite well. This is all common sense. Stop trolling. I hate to sound like the always sunshine true believer here, but this forum is so overwhelmed with phony criticism of Ron Paul that I feel the need to set things right.

There are several factual errors in your reply.

I have posted on numerous occasions that I donated with *two* different e-mail addresses, so I routinely got duplicates of all HQ/RP e-mails.

1. Yet, I never received a single e-mail about even the *ending of the campaign*. So, how many of RP's donors had no idea he had even dropped out?

Haven't there been posts about 800,000 or so of either donors, or on the mailing list, that Jesse Benton was interviewed about "renting out"?

Or were there truly only 100,000 unique donors?

I have also been told that the hard drive from Kent Snyder's laptop "went missing" that had all the contact information.

The fact that I did not receive any e-mails would tend to support that rumor.

2. I have also posted and *e-mailed* the fact that there is no option to *not* have your name and city/state publicly displayed, although the HQ donation process definitely offered that option.

3. I have also posted and *e-mailed* that the CFL site didn't even work without the most recent FLASH update. It turned out the "autoupdate" for FLASH was a FAILURE, that a true uninstall was required to reload the current version. (Since I am not being paid to test the CFL site, I haven't tried an uninstall to see if the site still fails for "older" computers/supporters.)

Just how many people would work that hard to simply get a newsletter (that everyone posts on the forums, anyway?)

4. Not only that, but with my "membership"/subscription, I have received a grand total of 7 e-mails from CFL, the last one being 8/25/08. So much for e-mailing "members" about the Rally!

5. Even the major CFL site release that was scheduled for 9/2 already "slipped" to 10/2. Will it "slip" again? Or golive on 10/2 with half the functionality? Neither is acceptable in the corporate world-

6. It also appears that the other major CFL supporter "target" is to get a list of supporters who have "disappeared" by the end of *October*, when most local supporters already have such lists of their own that simply need to be "collated" into a master list (by *state*??)

Are these facts "phony negativism" that can be "set right" by a Polyanna post?

Or are they very legitimate issues that CFL "management" should resolve ASAP?

 

[Akus]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

I have been saying this forever. Everyone was interested in Ron Paul winning and everyone was fighting for Ron Paul.
























Except for Ron Paul.

 

[Knightskye]

I can only speak for myself here, but I've grown weary of Ron Paul's passive approach to leadership. He warns of dire consequences if our nation doesn't soon change its policies. He speaks about the impending economic nightmare that will bankrupt our monetary system. He speaks of a dark future for us and our children if major changes don't soon occur at the federal level. He can do little or nothing to help this cause as one lone voice in the Congress. In fact, he'll probably be castrated even further once the voting is over. As the GOP positions itself for retribution, he simply responds with sheepish grins and reassures them that he will remain a Republican. Yet, when given a chance to create a new party, or even formally endorse a third party, he turns it down. Ron Paul has the power to at least help us make a powerful statement in this election, but he seems to be content to merely enjoy his moment of fame while his loyal cult gleefully defends his every word and deed.

An awful lot of people sacrificed an awful lot of things because they believed that Ron Paul was committed to the same effort that he was encouraging us to commit to. If he's leading by example, this "revolution" has become a joke. And the joke's on us.

What's he supposed to do? Paul was the idea man.

"I'm not the campaign, YOU'RE the campaign!"

You act like you can't do something yourself. Your post reminds me of this saying:

"What are you waiting for, an invitation?" Apparently, you are.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Yes we need a president who dictates our lives, of course he is passive. That is what I want in my president, sure it didn't win an election BUT that is what the campaign manager and US were supposed to do. He said it from start to finish that he DOES NOT WANT TO RUN OUR LIVES, so why the fuck are you looking for a leader? go join a cult if you need that or become a democrat.

 

[Sally08]

What's he supposed to do? Paul was the idea man.

"I'm not the campaign, YOU'RE the campaign!"

You act like you can't do something yourself. Your post reminds me of this saying:

"What are you waiting for, an invitation?" Apparently, you are.

Uh, duh. Weren't most of us actually donating our time, our monies, and our "life energies" to get RP elected as President?

Must have been our mistake, just as the OP stated.

And hasn't CFL *explicitly* offered "invitations" to its Leadership training, thereby encouraging *exactly* that "waiting"?

Hasn't CFL effectively sidetracked the major grassroots caucusing that had already occurred *without* any "invitation or national "coordination"?

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

There are several factual errors in your reply.

I have posted on numerous occasions that I donated with *two* different e-mail addresses, so I routinely got duplicates of all HQ/RP e-mails.

1. Yet, I never received a single e-mail about even the *ending of the campaign*. So, how many of RP's donors had no idea he had even dropped out?

Haven't there been posts about 800,000 or so of either donors, or on the mailing list, that Jesse Benton was interviewed about "renting out"?

Or were there truly only 100,000 unique donors?

I have also been told that the hard drive from Kent Snyder's laptop "went missing" that had all the contact information.

The fact that I did not receive any e-mails would tend to support that rumor.

2. I have also posted and *e-mailed* the fact that there is no option to *not* have your name and city/state publicly displayed, although the HQ donation process definitely offered that option.

3. I have also posted and *e-mailed* that the CFL site didn't even work without the most recent FLASH update. It turned out the "autoupdate" for FLASH was a FAILURE, that a true uninstall was required to reload the current version. (Since I am not being paid to test the CFL site, I haven't tried an uninstall to see if the site still fails for "older" computers/supporters.)

Just how many people would work that hard to simply get a newsletter (that everyone posts on the forums, anyway?)

4. Not only that, but with my "membership"/subscription, I have received a grand total of 7 e-mails from CFL, the last one being 8/25/08. So much for e-mailing "members" about the Rally!

5. Even the major CFL site release that was scheduled for 9/2 already "slipped" to 10/2. Will it "slip" again? Or golive on 10/2 with half the functionality? Neither is acceptable in the corporate world-

6. It also appears that the other major CFL supporter "target" is to get a list of supporters who have "disappeared" by the end of *October*, when most local supporters already have such lists of their own that simply need to be "collated" into a master list (by *state*??)

Are these facts "phony negativism" that can be "set right" by a Polyanna post?

Or are they very legitimate issues that CFL "management" should resolve ASAP?

Funny, all of these "real facts" have nothing to do with the criticisms brought up by you in the post I was responding to.

 

[Sally08]

Yes we need a president who dictates our lives, of course he is passive. That is what I want in my president, sure it didn't win an election BUT that is what the campaign manager and US were supposed to do. He said it from start to finish that he DOES NOT WANT TO RUN OUR LIVES, so why the fuck are you looking for a leader? go join a cult if you need that or become a democrat.

I'm glad that's what you want, but what about what I thought I was getting?

Actually, *no* president "dictates" our lives (except by Executive Orders!).

RP as President probably would have had less control over laws than his current ability to introduce new laws/be Dr. No on laws introduced by others.

And somehow I cannot imagine a *passive* person in negotiations with China, Russia, and Iran, particularly when no one could interpret whether prepared videos meant RP was dropping out or not!

Imagine China and Russia trying to figure out whether an agreement had been reached or not

I expect each President to have a driving passion for the position and its major, aging job responsiblities. The issue is to decide which "driving passions" we want to elect-

If RP simply wanted to establish a foundation as his "legacy", then he simply wasn't honest with his supporters.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I'm glad that's what you want, but what about what I thought I was getting?

Actually, *no* president "dictates" our lives (except by Executive Orders!).

RP as President probably would have had less control over laws than his current ability to introduce new laws/be Dr. No on laws introduced by others.

And somehow I cannot imagine a *passive* person in negotiations with China, Russia, and Iran, particularly when no one could interpret whether prepared videos meant RP was dropping out or not!

Imagine China and Russia trying to figure out whether an agreement had been reached or not

I expect each President to have a driving passion for the position and its major, aging job responsiblities. The issue is to decide which "driving passions" we want to elect-

If RP simply wanted to establish a foundation as his "legacy", then he simply wasn't honest with his supporters.

A passive person is what is needed in negotiating with foreign nations. I think things are hard with other nations because we do a "our way or we attack" method.

Ron Paul would be able to get all the negotiations done and in a peaceful manner. I don't see him simply folding like I think you are trying to imply. Passive does NOT mean weak, it actually is a more educated approach to a number of situations.

 

[Sally08]

Funny, all of these "real facts" have nothing to do with the criticisms brought up by you in the post I was responding to.

Huh?

Originally Posted by Sally08

I keep seeing those million votes bandied about. Yet, CFL struggled to get 100,000 "members" including fictitious troll memberships like "Hitler".

Given the serious "lesser of 2 evils" voting that has gone on for decades, how many of those million votes for RP were protest votes *against* McCain, Romney, and Huckabee?

If RP has asked his supporters to use protest votes to make a point, how many of those formal votes were simply protest votes, as well, *not* "positive votes* for RP?

Not every Ron Paul Republican surfs the net often enough to even KNOW about the CFL. Half of those that do probably dont want to be put on a centralized list. Ron Paul's number of unique donors and the CFL membership correlate quite well. This is all common sense. Stop trolling. I hate to sound like the always sunshine true believer here, but this forum is so overwhelmed with phony criticism of Ron Paul that I feel the need to set things right.

And how did my reply not address several points (that you totally ignored) of your post?

Or were there actually only 100,000 unique donors, which meant that even then, people weren't putting their money where their online mouths were?

Or did your post actually have little to do with my original post about the possibility of protest votes?

Facts, please.

 

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Sally08,

I don't think any of us here can give you what you want.

Omphfullas Zamboni

 

[LandonCook]

It's not "spot on". Paul is indeed a philosophical leader, and not a political leader, .

No, Ayn Rand is a philosophical leader.

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

Huh?


Not every Ron Paul Republican surfs the net often enough to even KNOW about the CFL. Half of those that do probably dont want to be put on a centralized list. Ron Paul's number of unique donors and the CFL membership correlate quite well. This is all common sense. Stop trolling. I hate to sound like the always sunshine true believer here, but this forum is so overwhelmed with phony criticism of Ron Paul that I feel the need to set things right.

And how did my reply not address several points (that you totally ignored) of your post?

Or were there actually only 100,000 unique donors, which meant that even then, people weren't putting their money where their online mouths were?

Or did your post actually have little to do with my original post about the possibility of protest votes?

Facts, please.

Just because people donate online doesn't mean they now know about the CFL. I would expect LESS CFL members than donations, so I think the numbers look good.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

No, Ayn Rand is a philosophical leader.

was..lol

 

[Sally08]

A passive person is what is needed in negotiating with foreign nations. I think things are hard with other nations because we do a "our way or we attack" method.

Ron Paul would be able to get all the negotiations done and in a peaceful manner. I don't see him simply folding like I think you are trying to imply. Passive does NOT mean weak, it actually is a more educated approach to a number of situations.

I think "passive" is probably not the word you should be using as a positive personality trait-

Web definitions for passive: lacking in energy or will
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Given the precedent of the recent "announcement", would RP as President simply tell Russia, China, and Iran to make up their own minds and then RP would go home?

Isn't that exactly why there are so many arguments on RPFs right now?

 

[Micah Dardar]

Ron Paul is not just a man, or a bird, or a plane..... he's.... SUPER RON! Dunt dunt dahh! Stay away with your kryptonite you dirty little klingons! tsk tsk

 

[Goldwater64]

Endorsing a third party = kicked out of the republican party. Means losing his seat. Means losing his voice.

SO WAKE THE FUCK UP

Not true. He won his district's primary. He would still be the R nominee on the ballot in November if he endorsed a third party.

 

[Young Paleocon]

He could still be voted out of his committee positions, and be screwed by redistricting...

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I think "passive" is probably not the word you should be using as a positive personality trait-

Web definitions for passive: lacking in energy or will
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Given the precedent of the recent "announcement", would RP as President simply tell Russia, China, and Iran to make up their own minds and then RP would go home?

Isn't that exactly why there are so many arguments on RPFs right now?

I can use whatever fucking word I want to, fuck your dictionary lol. Man you are anal lately.....

Anyways PASSIVE is the word I meant and can use it again watch..

Ron Paul would be a great PASSIVE president, that is exactly what I am looking for.

I think you are confusing passive with being a pussy and letting countries walk all over us. Get your dictionary out for that one as well because it also might mean something different.

 

[pacelli]

This is not an obsessive compulsive treatment community, although it sure as hell is beginning to resemble one.