Ron Paul Gives Latino Voters Straight Talk, No Pandering.

[Revolution9]

Yes, because we all know filthy parasitical brown people ONLY come to America to take your jobs, rape your women and rob your houses.



Wake up man. Stop appealing to the collectives that beholden your slavery. Human beings are human beings, regardless of the political boundry their birth happened to occur inside.

Don't think for a Newton second that this hogwash kneejerk passes for intellectual discourse. It is flawed in so many ways it just deserves a smacking and not a rebuttal of any due course.

Rev9

 

[WilliamC]

One of the few legitimate functions of the National government is to defend the borders of the Nation.

Maybe much of the American Southwest border between the United States and Mexico could, in a more free and limited government United States, be defended by the States themselves and the County governments directly separating the two Countries and even on the level of private land owners, but right now we don't have the National government in place to allow for these types of local solutions.

The combination of the drug war and a flawed foreign and economic policies make the USA and the border specifically a magnet for crime, and it is the direct fault of the Federal government. Until the Federal government ends the conditions that create this magnet for crime then we will have to contend with militarized assaults from Mexico.

Thus the current need for a more militarized border.

Change the foreign and domestic policies of the USA enough and the scope of the illegal immigration problem declines in magnitude so that more and more local solutions can take care of it.

 

[fatjohn]

The free hand outs would prevent most, but not all.

This is one of the issues where I disagree w/ Ron. I would have troops on the border.

If they cannot exploit the system by not getting any subsidies or by not evading taxes, immigrants can only be a blessing to an economy. How would illegal immigrants pay taxes, get rid of the income tax, transfer the tax burden to the other branches of the tax structure.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Posse Comitatus.

Isn't what it used to be.

 

[smhbbag]

If they cannot exploit the system by not getting any subsidies or by not evading taxes, immigrants can only be a blessing to an economy

This is a little simplistic. I know many immigrants who pay taxes, don't get subsidies, and make us and our economy worse off.

 

[Southron]

The one thing I dislike about RP calling Latinos scapegoats is that it feeds into the victim complex many in our nation already have.

 

[vechorik]

Ron Paul doesn't change his message to suit certain groups (states).
Dr. Ron Paul No.1 for Hispanics-Florida

 

[fatjohn]

This is a little simplistic. I know many immigrants who pay taxes, don't get subsidies, and make us and our economy worse off.

And is that directly related to they being immigrants or they being humans, which sometimes come in the form of lazy bastards.

 

[No Free Beer]

Posse Comitatus.

National Guard...

 

[No Free Beer]

If they cannot exploit the system by not getting any subsidies or by not evading taxes, immigrants can only be a blessing to an economy. How would illegal immigrants pay taxes, get rid of the income tax, transfer the tax burden to the other branches of the tax structure.

But you are justifying them breaking our laws. Regardless of the economic consequences, they are breaking our laws and they KNOW it. This is a problem in itself.

A lot of people on these forums are quick to criticize our foreign policy (rightfully so) because we go into all these nations illegally. Yet, a lot of people are okay with individuals breaking our laws and coming into our country without paperwork. This is an invasion, no matter how you look at it.

Also, think about how dangerous that is to our citizens, states, and country as a whole.

 

[No Free Beer]

Oh noes!! Brown peoples!!

The national socialist crowd here makes me physically ill to my stomach.

With all due respect, it is a comment like this and people like you that hurt this issue. YOU are the one making it about race. Not me.

 

[vechorik]

But you are justifying them breaking our laws. Regardless of the economic consequences, they are breaking our laws and they KNOW it. This is a problem in itself.

A lot of people on these forums are quick to criticize our foreign policy (rightfully so) because we go into all these nations illegally. Yet, a lot of people are okay with individuals breaking our laws and coming into our country without paperwork. This is an invasion, no matter how you look at it.

Also, think about how dangerous that is to our citizens, states, and country as a whole.

I like your thinking.
I see the immigration issue, not as a race issue, but as a safety and an economic issue:

If you (the reader) wants open borders, unlimited immigration, amnesty -- learn about UN Agenda 21 and view this video, then tell me your solution.

Immigration by the numbers -- world poverty and gumballs -- updated 2010

 

[No Free Beer]

I like your thinking.
I see the immigration issue, not as a race issue, but as a safety and an economic issue:

If you (the reader) wants open borders, unlimited immigration, amnesty -- learn about UN Agenda 21 and view this video, then tell me your solution.

Immigration by the numbers -- world poverty and gumballs -- updated 2010

nice vid.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

Illegals are INVADERS. When you cross over the border of another sovereign nation, you are committing an invasion, and are subsequently subject to the laws and jurisdiction of that country. Our willful disregard of our border on the part of our president represents an act of TREASON. No doubt about it, no way around it. When Dwight Eisenhower found out there was illegals flooding the border, he sent troops down there for operation wetback, and pushed the invaders back. When WILSON heard there were illegals coming from the third world, he sent general Pershing down there to push them back. There is NOTHING wrong with using our military to ward off on invasion. Here is your historical evidence, look it up for yourself. Aside from teh economic issues, these people refuse to assimilate, and bring disease and crime to our country.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

But you are justifying them breaking our laws. Regardless of the economic consequences, they are breaking our laws and they KNOW it. This is a problem in itself.

A lot of people on these forums are quick to criticize our foreign policy (rightfully so) because we go into all these nations illegally. Yet, a lot of people are okay with individuals breaking our laws and coming into our country without paperwork. This is an invasion, no matter how you look at it.

Also, think about how dangerous that is to our citizens, states, and country as a whole.

Slaves fled their masters and ran to another state seeking asylum. They broke our laws and they KNEW it. That was a problem in itself.

I could play that game all day.

That article didn't really do Paul's stance justice. It makes him look soft on illegal immigration. He doesn't want fences or I.D. cards, but he would end the free handouts, which encouraged many to come here illegally.

Ron's not going to end public education, which is one of the big factors in a family's decision to come here. He also does not want businesses or the government to discriminate between "legal" and "non-legal" worker status. He's also said he's not going to deport immigrants already here.

In an objective look at his immigration stance from a Tancredo-perspective, Ron's really soft on immigration. Which, really, if you think about it, is a good thing; we oppose capital controls and people controls - why would we accept capital and people controls on a certain class of people?

 

[AuH20]

Slaves fled their masters and ran to another state seeking asylum. They broke our laws and they KNEW it. That was a problem in itself.

I could play that game all day.

If it was a few thousand or few hundred thousand, no one would bat an eyelash. We're talking about several million. Many Americans have been the reasonable party in all this.

Thomas Jefferson talked extensively about the United States being an open sanctuary for refugees, however, he made it abundantly clear that the rapid import of millions from a foreign land was tantamount to national suicide, due to the assimilation obstacles. And remember he wrote all this in the late 17th century when there was no welfare state magnet in existence at the time. When you closely examine this problem, it's purely a sheer numbers issue as opposed to anything else.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

If it was a few thousand or few hundred thousand, no one would bat an eyelash. We're talking about several million. Many americans have been the reasonable party in all this. Thomas Jefferson talked extensively about the United States should be an asylum for refugees, however, he made it abundantly clear that the rapid import of millions from a foreign land was tantamount national suicide due to the assimilation obstacles. And remember he wrote all this in the late 17th century when there was no welfare state magnet in existence at the time. When you really examine this problem, it's purely a numbers issue as opposed to anything else.

An import of millions in early America would have completely overrun a people that totaled about 4 million in the first census taken in 1790.

There are over 300 million people in America currently. You'd need 150 or so million immigrants coming to America for that to be a valid comparison.

And really, with what our country stands for these days, losing our national identity might be a good thing.

 

[The Binghamton Patriot]

An import of millions in early America would have completely overrun a people that totaled about 4 million in the first census taken in 1790.

There are over 300 million people in America currently. You'd need 150 or so million immigrants coming to America for that to be a valid comparison.

And really, with what our country stands for these days, losing our national identity might be a good thing.

if you think losing our national identity would be a good thing, then you should probably renounce your citizenship right now and get off the forum. People like you make me cringe.

 

[osan]

Yes, because we all know filthy parasitical brown people ONLY come to America to take your jobs, rape your women and rob your houses.

These are you words and nobody else's, either explicit or otherwise. Perhaps your statement is more reflective of your own views than of others.

 

[No Free Beer]

An import of millions in early America would have completely overrun a people that totaled about 4 million in the first census taken in 1790.

There are over 300 million people in America currently. You'd need 150 or so million immigrants coming to America for that to be a valid comparison.

And really, with what our country stands for these days, losing our national identity might be a good thing.

You don't seem to understand the difference between importing people and people abusing our laws.

With your logic, if someone is driving dangerously fast in a school zone and a cop decides not enforce the law because "the man probably had to go to the restroom" then it would be okay.

My example may be a bit ridiculous, but it still is correct on principle. Your justifying ILLEGAL action. Again, it is about principle.