Ron Paul: The Case For Free Trade

[PAF]

Yeah, to stay the fuck out of my life and out of my decision-making process.

You said it brother

 

[TheTexan]

Yeah, to stay the fuck out of my life and out of my decision-making process.

Sorry bud, we're stuck in the same prison. I want the A/C on, and you want the A/C off, and we can't have it both ways.

If you don't like it, you have my full encouragement to break out and/or start a riot.

 

[PAF]

Sorry bud, we're stuck in the same prison. I want the A/C on, and you want the A/C off, and we can't have it both ways.

If you don't like it, you have my full encouragement to break out and/or start a riot.

Not when many on this forum are calling for federalized solutions across the board and treat this president like he is some king. It seems the Bush-era neocons have returned and taken over this message board and getting away from the ideals of Ron Paul, limited government, local community and sound money.

 

[Voluntarist]

You said it brother

It's distressing. I mean, the whole point of libertarianism is to avoid coercion. And here I am in the midst of supposed Ron Paul acolytes who are advocating coercion.

It was formerly the custom in our village, when a poor debtor came out of jail, for his acquaintances to salute him, looking through their fingers, which were crossed to represent the grating of a jail window, "How do ye do?" My neighbors did not thus salute me, but first looked at me, and then at one another, as if I had returned from a long journey. I was put into jail as I was going to the shoemaker's to get a shoe which was mended. When I was let out the next morning, I proceeded to finish my errand, and, having put on my mended shoe, joined a huckleberry party, who were impatient to put themselves under my conduct; and in half an hour - for the horse was soon tackled - was in the midst of a huckleberry field, on one of our highest hills, two miles off, and then the State was nowhere to be seen.

I dare say there is no place on this planet where I could make this statement any longer. Perhaps if I get to Mars before Musk.

 

[PAF]

It was formerly the custom in our village, when a poor debtor came out of jail, for his acquaintances to salute him, looking through their fingers, which were crossed to represent the grating of a jail window, "How do ye do?" My neighbors did not thus salute me, but first looked at me, and then at one another, as if I had returned from a long journey. I was put into jail as I was going to the shoemaker's to get a shoe which was mended. When I was let out the next morning, I proceeded to finish my errand, and, having put on my mended shoe, joined a huckleberry party, who were impatient to put themselves under my conduct; and in half an hour - for the horse was soon tackled - was in the midst of a huckleberry field, on one of our highest hills, two miles off, and then the State was nowhere to be seen.

I dare say there is no place on this planet where I could make this statement any longer. Perhaps if I get to Mars before Musk.

“Civil Disobedience”

 

[spudea]

Yeah, to stay the fuck out of my life and out of my decision-making process. It's not government's job to encourage me to make what it considers to be the "right decisions" in commerce, my investing, my medical decisions or anything else that concerns my personal existence.

You are a hermit. Go live on a deserted island and be king of your personal existence, all you care about is yourself.

 

[Voluntarist]

You are a hermit. Go live on a deserted island and be king of your personal existence, all you care about is yourself.

As I said previously, there is no difference [in principle or in practice, merely in the outcome you desire your coercion to achieve] between this place and Democratic Underground.

There is no limit to the violation of individual liberty that either side would restrict itself to in order to achieve its ends.

 

[PAF]

You are a hermit. Go live on a deserted island and be king of your personal existence, all you care about is yourself.

Are you seriously that indoctrinated, and a complete suck up to the state? Wait... no need to answer. You are in company though, indifferent or bad, as many 'Merikans think just like you. Take Democratic Underground for instance, as Voluntarist eluded to.

 

[spudea]

As I said previously, there is no difference [in principle or in practice] between this place and Democratic Underground.

Thats ridiculous, I imagine those folks are pro-China and support China winning the trade war to destroy the USA, so the Marxist revolutionaries can take over.

 

[FineSpeech]

I've come full circle, after over 35 years now, back to a Pat Buchanan "America First" nativist, nationalist, populist.

What do you mean full circle? Your signature a few months back was some Pat Buchanan diatribe about western civilization.

 

[nikcers]

Mr. Speaker, recently, the administration extended a $68,425,000 credit to the Communist dictator of Red China through the Export-Import Bank.

It is outrageous that the American taxpayers are being forced to subsidize Communist China while domestic programs like Social Security are in jeopardy.

Though the administration claims this loan credit is "in the national interest,"

common sense alone tells us that is not true.
Our own economy is in recession.

Over 10 million Americans are unemployed.

American small businesses are failing in record numbers.

The American steel industry is in a depression, and tens of thousands of steelworkers have been laid off.

Yet the administration contends that it is in our "national interest" to make a $68 million subsidized loan to help Communist China build steel plants that will then unfairly compete with our own steel industry.

This kind of action is an insult to the American people.

The Communist Chinese will receive these loans at below-market interest rates, yet our struggling American businesses must pay market rates.

Communist China is not one of our friends. Their repressive and tyrannical regime is the very opposite of everything America stands for.

It is against our best interests, in every way, to use our tax dollars to help prop up Communist dictatorships.

This $68 million Export-Import loan guarantee is a tragedy and a disgrace .


September 14, 1982;
RON PAUL of TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

 

[familydog]

If you look at all the countries in the world you'll see that the ones with more capitalism and free trade are more prosperous.

Define prosperous. The accessibility of buying cheap plastic garbage from China? The SE Asian countries employing slave labor?

 

[acptulsa]

Thats ridiculous

It is. It's ridiculous to see people point to individual stances on individual issues and say, "See? I have nothing in common with those other hypocrites! So I'm not a hypocrite! My hypocrisy must be anti-hypocrisy, and like anti-racism is racism that's okay..."

Whatever. Nice try.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm actually going to give you credit for this response. Usually if someone disagrees with Ron Paul's stance they try to claim Ron Paul really meant the opposite of what he wrote.

I will respond that Ron has long said we should get rid of the income tax and replace it with tariffs, but now the people manipulating him like Chamber of Commerce Rand and Macron supporter McAdams have him attacking Trump's attempt to do just that.

But he has long been a free trader other than wanting to replace the income tax.

 

[acptulsa]

"You're either with me or you're a Bush-era neoconservative" is a new one.

That wasn't what that was. You just reminded us all of these hypocrites:

 

[Swordsmyth]

The argument has been made by Rand and other free traders that we don't worry about running a trade deficit with the grocery store.

This is deceptive beyond words, because we run a trade surplus with our bosses, but if we run an overall trade deficit with the community we are in trouble and will go bankrupt and end up in the gutter.

America runs an overall deficit, and it's huge.

 

[nikcers]

The argument has been made by Rand and other free traders that we don't worry about running a trade deficit with the grocery store.

This is deceptive beyond words, because we run a trade surplus with our bosses, but if we run an overall trade deficit with the community we are in trouble and will go bankrupt and end up in the gutter.

America runs an overall deficit, and it's huge.

The USA historically didn't put trade barriers up on states that joined the union. The USA didn't want to fund imperialism, specifically European imperialism.

We also wanted to industrialize and support our system because we don't have slavery in our union we have free speech. So we can definitively defend our liberty.

It was FDR that removed trade barriers so you didn't have to join our union for our military defense or removal of trade barriers.

So you can violate intellectual property laws or slavery laws and there is no way to enforce it. Our system of liberty is subverted.

 

[Voluntarist]

I define the industrial base, as having the means of being able to produce a broad spectrum of physical items with lasting and tradeable value.

 

[TheTexan]

Nike factories would look quite a lot different than that, if for the last 50 years they had been constantly upgrading their industrial processes rather than constantly chasing the countries with the cheapest labor.

Shoes would be better and cheaper today than they are now.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Nice ChiCom propaganda you've got there.
I don't think it's worth 50 cents though.