Ron Paul Email

[musicmax]

Well, Ron just said on Cavuto...... very little, to be honest (except that he has a hunch his supporters aren't pulling for Condi Rice to be VP), but he did say he was kind of peeved that there seemed to be all this focus on an unruffled convention, that with taxpayers paying for it, he thought we should have a real convention. (then Neil asked about Condi.)

Well then he needs to fire the fucking morons who obviously have control of his email address and his campaign funds.

 

[parocks]

Why did the email not say "We Are Going To Fight To Get Ron Paul's Name Into Nomination" Which is what we want. The "we're not going to win" stuff is unnecessary. Almost all of us know that. And even more know that we're not going to win unless something extraordinary happens. But that does not mean that we don't want to vote for Ron Paul at the Convention. We won delegates and we want them to vote for Ron Paul.

I would argue that we get that, Ron Paul's name in nomination, or we FK ST up.

I mean, I don't think the delegates want "spread those cheeks" to be the instructions from the Ron Paul campaign. Because there's been entirely too much of that already. In all the state conventions, they've been cheating. We have video, clear, clean, crisp video, of them running away from the convention with ballots. And video of them returning those ballots to a counting room. What are we doing about this?

 

[CPUd]

This person on DP confirmed it is coming from HQ http://www.dailypaul.com/244500#comment-2616558

 

[liberty2897]

This e-mail is not the Ron Paul that I donated hard earned money in my worst every year to. I'm even being audited by the IRS soon believe it or not (I only made $26k last year total). The people in these threads that are telling the liberty movement that we need to play nice with the GOP or nominate Romney are obviously either 1) politicians (including Rand Paul) who want to further their career because they don't really believe in Ron Paul and the liberty movement or 2) They are trying to keep Ron Paul from taking the position that the people have selected for him. I'm really tired of the GOP and MSM. Every chance they get, they call us crazy and unrealistic. This is NOT the time to play nice. This is the time for a stand against all the bullshit. Things will not get better by playing nice with politicians regardless of what they tell you (that includes people here with lots of rep). I hoped that the movement would infiltrate the GOP, but that didn't happen. We need to be open, honest, and non-compliant with things that don't conform to our way of thinking from here on out. Go ahead and make my rep turn red. I don't give a shit anymore.

 

[Scott_in_PA]

Who actually got this email besides the OP?

I did not.

 

[CPUd]

There were maybe 3 people on the DP who say they got it.

 

[Carlybee]

I know it's a longshot but is it possible someone from Romney's team got ahold of some email addresses and this is a fake email? Can someone who got it check full headers? (just thinking about all the fake slates at the conventions).

 

[CPUd]

I know it's a longshot but is it possible someone from Romney's team got ahold of some email addresses and this is a fake email? Can someone who got it check full headers? (just thinking about all the fake slates at the conventions).

I no longer think it is faked, but looking at the headers is a quick and simple way of ruling that out.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This e-mail is not the Ron Paul that I donated hard earned money in my worst every year to. I'm even being audited by the IRS soon believe it or not (I only made $26k last year total). The people in these threads that are telling the liberty movement that we need to play nice with the GOP or nominate Romney are obviously either 1) politicians (including Rand Paul) who want to further their career because they don't really believe in Ron Paul and the liberty movement or

2) They are trying to keep Ron Paul from taking the position that the people have selected for him.

In what world did Ron Paul have enough delegates to win the nomination?

I'm really tired of the GOP and MSM. Every chance they get, they call us crazy and unrealistic. This is NOT the time to play nice. This is the time for a stand against all the bullshit. Things will not get better by playing nice with politicians regardless of what they tell you (that includes people here with lots of rep).

It's easy to sound like a tough guy on the internet, isn't it? What exactly do you suggest be done at the convention? You say you don't want to play nice, so what is it that you recommend? Lay it out for us.

I think everyone there is going to demand that the rules be followed.

I hoped that the movement would infiltrate the GOP, but that didn't happen.

Yeah, we did. In a bunch of states. Where have you been? And we can take over the leadership in all the rest of them, if people will keep working.

We need to be open, honest, and non-compliant with things that don't conform to our way of thinking from here on out.

Are you talking about demanding that the GOP follow their rules, or what exactly? Because I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that.

Go ahead and make my rep turn red. I don't give a shit anymore.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well then he needs to fire the fucking morons who obviously have control of his email address and his campaign funds.

He was talking about ROMNEY.

 

[romancito]

And it is not entirely inconsistent with the Cavuto interview. It seems consistent. The Cavuto interview was in some way worse. Because it was heard by close to a million. Because it was with an anchor that has been supportive. Because it showed a lack of motivation and interest and little initiative. Yes he said he wants discussion within the Convention but he offered no reason for discussions. He couldn't hit Romney even as he was saying the Romney was not giving him any respect. I don't think Cavuto will call him on again after that. He couldn't say his personal views on Condi Rice but had to defer to "his supporters" as third person to support an argument against Condi. Dr. Paul is for all practical purposes folding up.

I would have preferred at this point that he would have ended his campaign like Santorum or Gingrich did. First sooner and then in a general strong note. And not in a soft mellow condescending apologetic kind of way.

I hope he gets his speech at the RNC but I ask myself what will he talk about if he does if he is completely unable to project his own opinions on some of the issues we will be facing as a country.

 

[chudrockz]

Who actually got this email besides the OP?

I did not.

I did get it, earlier today.

 

[Britannia]

EDIT

 

[torchbearer]

Who actually got this email besides the OP?

I did not.

I didn't get it either.

 

[newbitech]

what happened to the 500 number? This makes it seem like we'll be lucky to see 300. Some miracle if they were all unbound? I suspect what may be happening here is a purge of RP delegates on the national level coming down the pipe. I suspect the GOP national is only going to have bound Paul delegates. That is what this message says to me. In states where there is no binding rule or w/e, even states where RP seems to have came out on top after the fact, if there is no binding mechanism I doubt RP delegates will be representing.

So much for the delegate strategy right? RP had what 40 something in 2008? Now its sounding like maybe 100 something in 2012. I don't think I am so much disappointed with the effectiveness of the strategy. But at this rate, essentially 3-4x's every 4 years, we wouldn't see a majority of delegates until what? 2020? 40-'08, 160-'12, 640-'16, 2,560-'20. It is highly unlikely that this strategy will have the same results in the next 4-8 years, now the establishment republicans have seen in 2x's in a row, and without RP inspiring the movement.

I am disappointed that the campaign didn't take a more aggressive approach and adapt and over come from 2008. The GOP is playing the same game, and while it's great to see the brute force method having "some" success, ultimately it is not how the GOP is going to be taken over. The GOP has weathered the storm, has emerged from the eye of the Revolution storm pretty much unscathed, and did what they had to do to make it through the entire onslaught of Ron Paul's multi-generational charge.

I said it after Iowa, I will say it now. We need a better strategy. We need to focus on popularity of the message. I think that is happening, but honestly, I believe the attention and focus that the grassroots has been giving to the campaign has been squandered by the "leaders" including Ron Paul. It's not an indictment, I just don't think he was ready to lead this massive movement that has grown up around him. He can honestly say he didn't see it coming. He's been trying to spark this thing for 30 years. WAY before the internet was seen as a viable channel for fostering a movement. His communications have been old school and unconventional in modern terms. I think that has been his Achilles heel. Having to rely on novice campaigners to convert his old school methods to new school media.

Those novices lost some of the interpretations that probably would have come across differently had they in fact come directly from Ron Paul himself. The synergy between the candidate, the campaign, and the supporters/followers/voters just hasn't been there.

The candidate is not aggressive to the point of almost being passive
His supporters are OVER enthusiastic
The campaign staff has been ineffective in translating the motive into results, in effect out of touch with both the candidate and the supporters

Lessons learned, I hope. Nobody is perfect. I still believe will look back on 2008-2012 as fun, successful run against the machine. We've all made are marks and planted our flags. We've done everything we will do. Now we wait.

I hope that the next run, the grassroots settles down a bit, the candidate is more aggressive, and the campaign learns to connect a few big dots.

 

[newbitech]

Red=Romney
Green=Santorum
Purple=Gingrich
Yellow=Paul

Guess the U.S. Virgin Islands are now a "state"? Maybe one of Obama's fifty-seven?

In 2016, when Rand Paul or whomever is running under 'our' banner, let's try the novel approach of actually winning some state primary votes, and not go to another "delegate strategy."

I don't know, sounds like a waste of limited resources to me.../s

 

[newbitech]

It clearly does NOT show Louisiana's caucus, and where primaries are non binding, winning a state is far more accurately portrayed by who gets the delegates, imho.

not if winning is truly about growing the movement and not so much about electing one man to office! And this is the crux of the problem with the mixed signals being sent.

 

[LibertyEagle]

All presidential campaigns are delegate strategies, or they stand no chance at all. Delegates are what determines wins. So no, it wasn't a bad idea at all. In fact, if they hadn't had that strategy, we should have been screaming. I do agree with popularizing the message. I do think that is coming though.

You make it sound like the grassroots should just sit there until 2016 rolls around. The states where we were the most successful, were the states that the grassroots had been working their butts off since the last election to both spread the message and get in place within the Republican Party. If we just sit here and do nothing for the next 4 years, we won't do any better then, either.

Finally, if we don't stop believing that the presidency is the do or die deal in this movement, then I don't think we are going to be very successful. There are all kinds of offices to be won at levels from dog catcher on up. In addition to winning GOP leadership positions like was done in Maine, Iowa, Missouri, etc. If we do all that, we will darn sure give them a run for their money. So, there is one heck of a lot to do over the next 4 years, if we really want to win our country back.

 

[LibertyEagle]

not if winning is truly about growing the movement and not so much about electing one man to office! And this is the crux of the problem with the mixed signals being sent.

I don't get this. Why can't it be both?

But, the reality is that short of a miracle, Ron Paul will not get the nomination. So, if he doesn't, shouldn't we be capitalizing on what we HAVE won? I sure would think so.

 

[newbitech]

All presidential campaigns are delegate strategies, or they stand no chance at all. Delegates are what determines wins. So no, it wasn't a bad idea at all. In fact, if they hadn't had that strategy, we should have been screaming. I do agree with popularizing the message. I do think that is coming though.

You make it sound like the grassroots should just sit there until 2016 rolls around. The states where we were the most successful, were the states that the grassroots had been working their butts off since the last election to both spread the message and get in place within the Republican Party. If we just sit here and do nothing for the next 4 years, we won't do any better then, either.

Finally, if we don't stop believing that the presidency is the do or die deal in this movement, then I don't think we are going to be very successful. There are all kinds of offices to be won at levels from dog catcher on up. In addition to winning GOP leadership positions like was done in Maine, Iowa, Missouri, etc. If we do all that, we will darn sure give them a run for their money. So, there is one heck of a lot to do over the next 4 years, if we really want to win our country back.

The problem is, for the last 5 years, all of the experience and campaign know how has been focused in small relatively un-populated states. For instance, people in Florida cannot follow the example set by people in Iowa. There is no delegate strategy for Florida. There is no taking over the GOP in Florida. New York, California, Texas? The other large states? What is the formula for success there?

We don't know. There never was a national strategy LE. This never was a national campaign. I had hopes after 2008 that C4L would give guidance and direction. What we go instead was worse than compromise. The reps of the movement here acquiesced to the status quo, endorsed the status quo, only to watch as that status quo went down if fraud.

now in 2012? What have we? nothing. The only thing that has grown in Florida is popularity of the message, but even that growth has been stunted by the complete ignorance of leadership of this movement. Again, not an indictment against Ron Paul, but it is a fact that he ignored his supporters in Florida. The reason doesn't matter to me at all. What matters to me is that this movement becomes popular. And it's not so difficult, it doesn't require TV ads. It doesn't require a campaign for the presidency. What it does require is that the leaders show up to the fight.

At some point, the elephant, 1000 pound guerrilla, hippopotamus, and blue whale in the room need to be addressed. Please don't get me wrong, I think it's great that the movement is able to take hold in places where there is 80k people living in 1000 square mile radius. But we are a nation of 310 million people. We need to find a way to claim victories in at least 1 very large very population dense place. There is no doubt that all of these relatively tiny victories will be the catalyst for that.

BUT, and this is a BIG BBUUUUTTTTT, the idea that we are winning is a complete odds with the facts of the results. I don't care how you look at winning.

In a metro of 5 million people 30k votes or 5% is peanuts. You can double that every 4 years and you are looking at 12 years to even be competitive. AND you have to assume that the level of success will continue to grow exponentially. THAT WON'T even come close to happening without an EFFORT on the part of leaders to just SHOW UP.

The UCLA rally was awesome, no doubt. Those kinds of things can eventually spill over from college campuses. But not if its a one time thing! Those rallies should have been going on in each and every state and GROWING. I really liked the fact that there was more money to buy better TV ads. BUT, it makes no sense at all to run a TV ad campaign selectively in states where popularity HAS NO BEARING on the outcome of the results! IE caucus states!

They should have spent ALL the money on running non stop nation wide Ron Paul rallies and any TV money spent should have been on relentless attacks on the front runner, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING how the race was touted as a two man race from the beginning! IF IT's a 2 man race, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING wasting precious treasure on attacking the insignificant NOBODY's!

The movement is well deserving of a shake up. Yes people were delusional to think Ron Paul had some kind of chance to win with less than 300 delegates. What is more delusional is to think that Ron Paul's message and freedom in general will become popular if the LEADERS of the movement keep ignoring the POPULATION!