Ron Paul Email

[newbitech]

I don't get this. Why can't it be both?

But, the reality is that short of a miracle, Ron Paul will not get the nomination. So, if he doesn't, shouldn't we be capitalizing on what we HAVE won? I sure would think so.

It could be both if that was the plan. It was not. That is really my point. It's mixed messages from the time the first "beauty pageant" vote was cast. Oh don't worry we ARE WINNING. Winning what? Surely not delegates. We got "some". Great! Every certified delegate for Ron Paul is a victory. I agree. But the other side of the coin, DIDN'T EVEN TRY. You don't grow a movement by telling your core donation base that it's not worth it to bring your movement to them cause of MONEY!

 

[LibertyEagle]

You wanted non-stop rallies across the country and don't understand why they weren't done? Maybe because Ron Paul is ONE man.

You ask why they ran ads against the other candidates, when they wanted the race to end up being a 2 man race? Maybe because if they hadn't, it had no chance of being that. Don't you remember how Newt Gingrich was running away with it for awhile? If was our campaign's ads that knocked him down!

I don't agree with some of the things that were/weren't done too. But, honestly, I think you are forgetting some of the things that went on during this election.

In my opinion, we really had one real shot and that was to win Iowa and for it to snowball to subsequent states. And that was why so much effort and money were devoted to that state. It is also why there was so much effort by the media to make sure he didn't win Iowa.

 

[LibertyEagle]

It could be both if that was the plan. It was not. That is really my point. It's mixed messages from the time the first "beauty pageant" vote was cast. Oh don't worry we ARE WINNING. Winning what? Surely not delegates. We got "some". Great! Every certified delegate for Ron Paul is a victory. I agree. But the other side of the coin, DIDN'T EVEN TRY. You don't grow a movement by telling your core donation base that it's not worth it to bring your movement to them cause of MONEY!

Bottom line, you are upset because the campaign didn't come to your home state, Florida?

What do you mean, "bring your movement"? I thought the movement was already there.

 

[pacelli]

Great, another ghostwritten "Ron Paul" email. Either way he's responsible for the content because his name is on it.

Nonetheless I appreciate "him" letting us know that the goal now is to influence the party. I hope a miracle happens and he gets the nomination, but it sounds like "he" is being honest with us that it is highly unlikely. I am glad to be a part of the legacy that he is trying to leave. I hope we're successful at the convention. It isn't time to give up, its time to push!

And yes it does read like a C4L email without the repetitive postscript sentences.

On another note, if they roll a couple million into the C4L coffers like they did in 2008 I'm going to be pissed.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ron Paul wrote it, but yeah, I wouldn't be very happy if they had that much left, either. There is going to be some money left though, because Ron Paul doesn't go in debt in his campaigns.

 

[romancito]

No you guys still do not understand. The reason the campaign is in the dear straights it is is because of the stubbornness of Ron Paul. He may be the best leader to save our country but his stubbornness is gigantic. What we suffered throughout the campaign was a slow start and a slow acceleration. Why?

Popularizing the message. During the Summer of 2011 Ron Paul would not change his tune and talk about what was popular at that time - jobs. He wouldn't use the word jobs ever. In all the debates he used the word 'jobs' once and casually. Everyone else was talking about jobs but Ron Paul wouldn't. The truth is that if he doesn't care about 'jobs' then you can't ask people to care about him.

Today, still Dr. Paul does not talk about the things that we care about. He only speaks of the things that he cares about. And he spoke yesterday in Cavuto of his supporters in third person as a group that was detached from his own pursuits and goals. Dr. Paul has a way of undoing a motivated group of people. Look how he demotivated the Ron Paul Fest people and program. He is just not cut for the number one post in the nation. He is just a prophet.

 

[sailingaway]

No you guys still do not understand. The reason the campaign is in the dear straights it is is because of the stubbornness of Ron Paul. He may be the best leader to save our country but his stubbornness is gigantic. What we suffered throughout the campaign was a slow start and a slow acceleration. Why?

Popularizing the message. During the Summer of 2011 Ron Paul would not change his tune and talk about what was popular at that time - jobs. He wouldn't use the word jobs ever. In all the debates he used the word 'jobs' once and casually. Everyone else was talking about jobs but Ron Paul wouldn't. The truth is that if he doesn't care about 'jobs' then you can't ask people to care about him.

Today, still Dr. Paul does not talk about the things that we care about. He only speaks of the things that he cares about. And he spoke yesterday in Cavuto of his supporters in third person as a group that was detached from his own pursuits and goals. Dr. Paul has a way of undoing a motivated group of people. Look how he demotivated the Ron Paul Fest people and program. He is just not cut for the number one post in the nation. He is just a prophet.

Then you should be glad Romney is likely to win the nomination.

I disagree with you, by the way. I agree we have gotten some very mixed signals but so far nothing from RON directly (verbally, not these emails) is an issue of the level of the emails. I'm not saying Ron expects to win, I don't myself. But I DO expect him to be nominated from the floor unless someone cheats, and I think that should have come across in the email, along with the 'never give up' attitude of his campaign guy in NE last night.

AS for the money, he will have the rally, but mostly needs attorney's fees for credential and legal fights. If that expense is less than needed and he ends up with funds, this isn't enough money for me to blame him, knowing what attorney's fees CAN be on these matters and knowing if you don't have the 'war chest' to fund them, that the other side can win simply by making it too expensive for you to continue.

 

[romancito]

Then you should be glad Romney is likely to win the nomination.

With all his faults and more I'll take Ron Paul as president over Romney and all his glorious hair. Romney to me is despicable and I can't stand listening to him.

 

[cheapseats]

Ron Paul wrote it, but yeah, I wouldn't be very happy if they had that much left, either. There is going to be some money left though, because Ron Paul doesn't go in debt in his campaigns.

Not going into debt is CONSERVATIVE.

Ending up with a few million dollars in the bank is SOMETHING ELSE.

 

[cheapseats]

In my opinion, we really had one real shot and that was to win Iowa and for it to snowball to subsequent states. And that was why so much effort and money were devoted to that state. It is also why there was so much effort by the media to make sure he didn't win Iowa.

Ron Paul THEATRICALLY fumbled the predictable Newsletter challenge leading up to Iowa, then skedaddled to Lake Jackson on the cusp of the Caucuses...when Santorum-style retail politics might REALLY have paid off. Tho devoted volunteers had been working their asses off in Iowa since the LAST caucuses, Ron Paul simply WENT HOME.

The eleventh-hour directive to NOT "watch the vote"? Puh-leez. It's been COUNT CHAOS ever since.

Setting aside who believed what COULD/WOULD/SHOULD happen, do you believe Ron Paul ever WANTED to win?

Yes, I KNOW Reluctant Leaders are WANTED. But there is a point at which the Reluctant Leader must say "oh, alright" and MEAN IT...or pushing him is a waste of scarce resources.

Gotta love all the people chiming in now that he is just one man, after it was previously verboten to suggest his fallibility. That said, the Presidency is NOT just one office. I don't give a fuck HOW many liberty-friendly "dog catchers on up" are positioned incrementally. Some of them will be Posers, some will be corrupted, some will lose reelection. Even if they are all "pure" and remain so (lol), the Presidency MATTERS. A lot.

You can get more and more and more and more Employees onto the same page, but the Corner Offices still run the show. If more and more and more and more Employees get onto a page that is at variance with Management, Management is still the Boss. Underlings may or may not prevail by orchestrated showdown/strike, but the "simple" fact of Employees agreeing with one another means diddly-squat in the Ivory Towers.

 

[romancito]

Ron Paul THEATRICALLY fumbled the predictable Newsletter challenge leading up to Iowa, then skedaddled to Lake Jackson on the cusp of the Caucuses...when Santorum-style retail politics might REALLY have paid off. Tho devoted volunteers had been working their asses off in Iowa since the LAST caucuses, Ron Paul simply WENT HOME.

The eleventh-hour directive to NOT "watch the vote"? Puh-leez. It's been COUNT CHAOS ever since.

Setting aside who believed what COULD/WOULD/SHOULD happen, do you believe Ron Paul ever WANTED to win?

Yes, I KNOW Reluctant Leaders are WANTED. But there is a point at which the Reluctant Leader must say "oh, alright" and MEAN IT...or pushing him is a waste of scarce resources.

Gotta love all the people chiming in now that he is just one man, after it was previously verboten to suggest his fallibility. That said, the Presidency is NOT just one office. I don't give a fuck HOW many liberty-friendly "dog catchers on up" are positioned incrementally. Some of them will be Posers, some will be corrupted, some will lose reelection. Even if they are all "pure" and remain so (lol), the Presidency MATTERS. A lot.

You can get more and more and more and more Employees onto the same page, but the Corner Offices still run the show. If more and more and more and more Employees get onto a page that is at variance with Management, Management is still the Boss. Underlings may or may not prevail by orchestrated showdown/strike, but the "simple" fact of Employees agreeing with one another means diddly-squat in the Ivory Towers.

That.

But to me the real shot at winning was when Rand had his ordeal with the TSA right after Ron had his. It should have been made a big federal case and it should still be stinking to high heaven. The war with TSA should have been made 'the meme' and the vote getter. From there it should have been projected to all other issues including Obamacare and everything else. But every time Ron had to go to Congress to vote or attend some of his congressional business and abandon the bully pulpit. The next Ron Paul needs to take whatever gifts God gives him and hire OWS protesters to push it against the police barricades.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ron Paul THEATRICALLY fumbled the predictable Newsletter challenge leading up to Iowa, then skedaddled to Lake Jackson on the cusp of the Caucuses...when Santorum-style retail politics might REALLY have paid off. Tho devoted volunteers had been working their asses off in Iowa since the LAST caucuses, Ron Paul simply WENT HOME.

The eleventh-hour directive to NOT "watch the vote"? Puh-leez. It's been COUNT CHAOS ever since.

Setting aside who believed what COULD/WOULD/SHOULD happen, do you believe Ron Paul ever WANTED to win?

Yes, I KNOW Reluctant Leaders are WANTED. But there is a point at which the Reluctant Leader must say "oh, alright" and MEAN IT...or pushing him is a waste of scarce resources.

Gotta love all the people chiming in now that he is just one man, after it was previously verboten to suggest his fallibility. That said, the Presidency is NOT just one office. I don't give a fuck HOW many liberty-friendly "dog catchers on up" are positioned incrementally. Some of them will be Posers, some will be corrupted, some will lose reelection. Even if they are all "pure" and remain so (lol), the Presidency MATTERS. A lot.

You can get more and more and more and more Employees onto the same page, but the Corner Offices still run the show. If more and more and more and more Employees get onto a page that is at variance with Management, Management is still the Boss. Underlings may or may not prevail by orchestrated showdown/strike, but the "simple" fact of Employees agreeing with one another means diddly-squat in the Ivory Towers.

I owe you a +rep

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cheapseats again.

 

[Carlybee]

That.

But to me the real shot at winning was when Rand had his ordeal with the TSA right after Ron had his. It should have been made a big federal case and it should still be stinking to high heaven. The war with TSA should have been made 'the meme' and the vote getter. From there it should have been projected to all other issues including Obamacare and everything else. But every time Ron had to go to Congress to vote or attend some of his congressional business and abandon the bully pulpit. The next Ron Paul needs to take whatever gifts God gives him and hire OWS protesters to push it against the police barricades.

Unfortunately war with the TSA would only be a vote getter with true liberty minded people and conspiracy theory people. Liberty Lighters and Neocons don't care. My neocon boss said "If you aren't doing anything wrong then it shouldn't bother you." And that encapsulates the sheep mentality.

 

[Veteran Citizen]

"under duress." threatened, etc

He's a pretty smart guy, maybe you could help by looking for the secret code hidden in the email... Maybe every 4th letter of every second word will spell out "HELP I've been captured by aliens" or something........


Reality, it sucks sometimes but you gotta deal with it or go nuts.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Ron Paul won the Louisiana Caucus(with 70% of the vote) and the majority of its national delegates.

Santorum: 91,305 (49.0%) - ten delegates.
Romney: 49,749 (26.7%) - five delegates.
Gingrich: 29,655 (15.9%) - zero delegates.
Paul: 11,460 (6.1%) - zero delegates.
Others: 4,208 (2.3%)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/24/louisiana-primary-results-2012_n_1376348.html

That Wikipedia map, again, was based on popular votes. No where in Louisiana in 2012, not in any primary/caucus/convention, did Paul beat out Santorum's 91,305 votes in that state.

 

[parocks]

He's a pretty smart guy, maybe you could help by looking for the secret code hidden in the email... Maybe every 4th letter of every second word will spell out "HELP I've been captured by aliens" or something........


Reality, it sucks sometimes but you gotta deal with it or go nuts.

You don't think Ron Paul was threatened? We've had our delegates hurt.

 

[newbitech]

Bottom line, you are upset because the campaign didn't come to your home state, Florida?

What do you mean, "bring your movement"? I thought the movement was already there.

I realize Ron Paul is one man. It's not just my home state he didn't come to. There are 50 states. There is no excuse not to have campaign stops in rallies in all 50 of them. None. 3 million in the bank. Let's say he spent only 1 million of that for travelling the nation. 200k a state. You don't need more than that to come by for a few days.

So no excuse for the campaign no showing up in all 50 states. None.

 

[WesSeid]

as for cheapseats, he wants people to vote for Gary Johnson.

Ron apparently hasn't been interested in being President for a while, and his campaign hasn't for even longer, so may as well. Kind of running out of people to vote for.

I'm in Maine. I went to a long caucus - 4 hours long. And then, months later, to a 2 day long convention. And we WON. I voted for delegates to vote for RON PAUL, and I want them to vote for RON PAUL in Tampa.

Don't blame Maine, we voted for RON PAUL.

God Bless Maine.

 

[WilliamShrugged]

Ron Paul THEATRICALLY fumbled the predictable Newsletter challenge leading up to Iowa, then skedaddled to Lake Jackson on the cusp of the Caucuses...when Santorum-style retail politics might REALLY have paid off. Tho devoted volunteers had been working their asses off in Iowa since the LAST caucuses, Ron Paul simply WENT HOME.

The eleventh-hour directive to NOT "watch the vote"? Puh-leez. It's been COUNT CHAOS ever since.

Setting aside who believed what COULD/WOULD/SHOULD happen, do you believe Ron Paul ever WANTED to win?

Yes, I KNOW Reluctant Leaders are WANTED. But there is a point at which the Reluctant Leader must say "oh, alright" and MEAN IT...or pushing him is a waste of scarce resources.

Gotta love all the people chiming in now that he is just one man, after it was previously verboten to suggest his fallibility. That said, the Presidency is NOT just one office. I don't give a fuck HOW many liberty-friendly "dog catchers on up" are positioned incrementally. Some of them will be Posers, some will be corrupted, some will lose reelection. Even if they are all "pure" and remain so (lol), the Presidency MATTERS. A lot.

You can get more and more and more and more Employees onto the same page, but the Corner Offices still run the show. If more and more and more and more Employees get onto a page that is at variance with Management, Management is still the Boss. Underlings may or may not prevail by orchestrated showdown/strike, but the "simple" fact of Employees agreeing with one another means diddly-squat in the Ivory Towers.

AGREED!

 

[pacelli]

That 'my' speech at the end was clearly emphasised, and following the interview earlier that day or shortly before that, saying he wanted a nominee speech, that was different from a regular speech, I think he was clearly saying both he wouldn't be censored, and that the cards had yet to play out.

Thanks for sourcing all of that, I had missed many of those quotes.