Ron Paul Email

newbitech said:
I realize Ron Paul is one man. It's not just my home state he didn't come to. There are 50 states. There is no excuse not to have campaign stops in rallies in all 50 of them. None. 3 million in the bank. Let's say he spent only 1 million of that for travelling the nation. 200k a state. You don't need more than that to come by for a few days.

So no excuse for the campaign no showing up in all 50 states. None.
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He's SEVENTY SIX frickin' years old and campaigned his ass off. If you think you can do better, I suggest you go do it. I wish he hadn't stopped campaigning too, but I have accepted it. To me at least, it's been clear for awhile that he didn't think he had a chance in hell and just wasn't shutting down his campaign, because he promised us that he would not.

You were around here for the last campaign. You know that Ron Paul does what Ron Paul wants to do. Either we accept that, or we should have found a different candidate. I guess I am not all upset, because I am amazed at the progress we have made. Short of a miracle, even if we had been running God himself, it would have taken a plethora of miracles to pull this off this time. Remember us thinking that if there was a bank run, or the economy completely crashed, etc., that it just might make people wake up, or put what they thought about drug legalization, and the huge smear campaign by the media, etc. on the back shelf? Well, those things did not happen. We still made huge progress in a lot of areas that will help us in future elections. I know it's depressing and I too, have issues with both what Dr. Paul did and said, some of the ads, and for sure, some of the emails. But, it is what it is. So, either we capitalize on what we have been able to accomplish, or just do our best to destroy it all. Lately, it seems like some want the latter.
 
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LibertyEagle said:
He's SEVENTY SIX frickin' years old and campaigned his ass off. If you think you can do better, I suggest you go do it. I wish he hadn't stopped campaigning too, but I have accepted it. To me at least, it's been clear for awhile that he didn't think he had a chance in hell and just wasn't shutting down his campaign, because he promised us that he would not.

You were around here for the last campaign. You know that Ron Paul does what Ron Paul wants to do. Either we accept that, or we should have found a different candidate. I guess I am not all upset, because I am amazed at the progress we have made. Short of a miracle, even if we had been running God himself, it would have taken a plethora of miracles to pull this off this time. Remember us thinking that if there was a bank run, or the economy completely crashed, etc., that it just might make people wake up, or put what they thought about drug legalization, and the huge smear campaign by the media, etc. on the back shelf? Well, those things did not happen. We still made huge progress in a lot of areas that will help us in future elections. I know it's depressing and I too, have issues with both what Dr. Paul did and said, some of the ads, and for sure, some of the emails. But, it is what it is. So, either we capitalize on what we have been able to accomplish, or just do our best to destroy it all. Lately, it seems like some want the latter.
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If I had 30 million dollars, I would at least have a presence in every single state, regardless if I was physically or mentally able to do so LE. The official reason for why this did not happen is that most states simply weren't worth spending the resources on since there was no possible way shape or form to claim victory there.

Of course that is the delegate victory. The other victory, what is the excuse? See, its either they were trying to win the nomination or they were trying to spread a message, grow a movement. Sadly in Florida they attempted to do none of the above. So while I agree, it can be both, I am curious to know how many states it was really both? And how many states it was none?

The very first letter that went out after votes started mattering beauty contest not withstanding, was that this was a national campaign. I was pissed when that letter didn't include Florida, yes. But come now, Florida is certainly not the only state that wasn't part of the national campaign. So yes, I pipe up again. Only now, I don't think it's fair to just brush off my concerns about being "butt hurt" over RP not coming to Florida. I really wasn't then. My point remains the same. Winning has been defined as both obtaining delegates and growing the movement. If the movement is not ready for prime-time, it's not ready for prime time. I am ok with that. But at the same time, I don't want to hear a presidential campaign I support talk about national campaigning, and growing a movement that is challenging the status quo with out even showing up where the status quo IS. That was avoidance, nothing strategic about it.

LE, I am happy we have seen progress, don't get me wrong. But RP and the campaign really deserve to be called out on their grandstanding to the supporters. That is what is has been. Maybe not so much Ron Paul, but certainly the people he has trusted to convey his message. I don't appreciate the grandstanding. It makes my message come across as fake at worse, and at least not very serious or genuine.
 
Just to double down on newbitech's comment, I have also felt frustrated by the double message coming out of the campaign of "yes, we're in it to win it, delegates delegates,delegates, so keep donating" but now "well, we have no chance of winning, but keep donating" after all the grassroots energy is expended. That's left a bad taste in the mouth twice over, when it happened in 2008, and now. It kind of poisons the well for going down the Paul pipeline a third time, with Rand in 2016.
 
parocks said:
You don't think Ron Paul was threatened? We've had our delegates hurt.
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I think if he was, he'd not hesitate to tell them where to stick it. If Dr. Paul made a call, he'd have more armed security in less than 24 hours than you would possibly imagine. Firearms enthusiasts tend to be pro-Liberty. He didn't make it this far by not being a fighter. I cannot imagine him bending to true tyranny.

I think he has sized up the actual delegate count, and he's doing his level best to make lemonade out of the lemons he was given.
 
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honestly, political apathy with awareness has better opportunity than political apathy with ignorance. For that Ron Paul is my hero but even Ron Paul doesn't have an answer for the summer time blues his movement (I am) is experiencing right now
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Ron Paul himself need not read or approve anything from these emails....The emails are fake pure and simple. The likely product of a sabature with access to a mass fake emailer. I remember back in the day when i first scripted one sending out mass emails to people from [email protected] informing them as to how terribly sad I was to see them going to hell (was funny at the time) then another was done from [email protected] informing everyone that they would be getting coal for xmas. finally was the greatest of them all of which I sent a mass email to all the employees where I worked from my bosses email announcing the big company party on friday... we had the party and the boss was baffeled but seemed to play along when complimented on what a great thing he had done for his employees heh... the real question is the timing.. why send this out now? makes no sense... however if it were to somehow be legit as in from the campaign.. then i would seriously question the motives of said person and cry SABATAGE! most likely it is from someone here on this board. the tone sounds very familiar as well as the talking points.
 
He made his stubborn choices. He is a stubborn politician. Some decisions were terrible mistakes. He still does not attack Romney directly. He rarely gives his personal opinion. He ends up demotivating. The only thing that helps him is that he is right on the issues that he brings forth. But then he disappears.
 
romancito said:
He made his stubborn choices. He is a stubborn politician. Some decisions were terrible mistakes. He still does not attack Romney directly. He rarely gives his personal opinion. He ends up demotivating. The only thing that helps him is that he is right on the issues that he brings forth. But then he disappears.
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They call him Dr. No for a reason. Just sayin
 
dancjm said:
This is not about Ron Paul. It has never been about Ron Paul, and it can never be about Ron Paul. This is not about one man, this is about Liberty.

People are wrong if they think the prize that will restore Liberty is the Office of President. It isn't. You could have Ron Paul in the White-house tomorrow, and the enemy would remain. The state of play would be much like it is today. There would be things he could do as President, but they would be difficult if the country was not with him. We have to understand that winning the Presidency is not winning this thing.

I know people feel like Ron should be president, I do too, he has earned it. But all Ron has ever really wanted is to see his country free again, not to sit in the Oval Office.

And the fact is, Ron Paul, President or not, cannot make this happen, he cannot make America free, only we can. He has been a defender of Liberty and a teacher and example to the future of Liberty. But he is one man. It is not his job to restore Liberty, it's all of ours.
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One of the top 10 posts on this forum. I'd +rep you, but I've already given you too much rep recently.
 
Veteran Citizen said:
OK. He was given less money than he needed, incompetent campaign advisors, and fewer votes in the popular and delegate votes than he needed. I guess you could call those diamonds in the rough.........
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The global elites, the msm, etc etc etc, that group, finds Ron Paul completely unacceptable. These things that you mention are of far less importance (well, except votes).
 
A_Silent_Majority_Member said:
Ron Paul himself need not read or approve anything from these emails....The emails are fake pure and simple. The likely product of a sabature with access to a mass fake emailer. I remember back in the day when i first scripted one sending out mass emails to people from [email protected] informing them as to how terribly sad I was to see them going to hell (was funny at the time) then another was done from [email protected] informing everyone that they would be getting coal for xmas. finally was the greatest of them all of which I sent a mass email to all the employees where I worked from my bosses email announcing the big company party on friday... we had the party and the boss was baffeled but seemed to play along when complimented on what a great thing he had done for his employees heh... the real question is the timing.. why send this out now? makes no sense... however if it were to somehow be legit as in from the campaign.. then i would seriously question the motives of said person and cry SABATAGE! most likely it is from someone here on this board. the tone sounds very familiar as well as the talking points.
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If the email was fake, the campaign would've said so immediately after people got it.
 
LibertyEagle said:
He's SEVENTY SIX frickin' years old and campaigned his ass off. If you think you can do better, I suggest you go do it. I wish he hadn't stopped campaigning too, but I have accepted it. To me at least, it's been clear for awhile that he didn't think he had a chance in hell and just wasn't shutting down his campaign, because he promised us that he would not.

You were around here for the last campaign. You know that Ron Paul does what Ron Paul wants to do. Either we accept that, or we should have found a different candidate. I guess I am not all upset, because I am amazed at the progress we have made. Short of a miracle, even if we had been running God himself, it would have taken a plethora of miracles to pull this off this time. Remember us thinking that if there was a bank run, or the economy completely crashed, etc., that it just might make people wake up, or put what they thought about drug legalization, and the huge smear campaign by the media, etc. on the back shelf? Well, those things did not happen. We still made huge progress in a lot of areas that will help us in future elections. I know it's depressing and I too, have issues with both what Dr. Paul did and said, some of the ads, and for sure, some of the emails. But, it is what it is. So, either we capitalize on what we have been able to accomplish, or just do our best to destroy it all. Lately, it seems like some want the latter.
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Antiwar / Middle East policy hurt Ron Paul much more than drug policy.
 
Peace&Freedom said:
Just to double down on newbitech's comment, I have also felt frustrated by the double message coming out of the campaign of "yes, we're in it to win it, delegates delegates,delegates, so keep donating" but now "well, we have no chance of winning, but keep donating" after all the grassroots energy is expended. That's left a bad taste in the mouth twice over, when it happened in 2008, and now. It kind of poisons the well for going down the Paul pipeline a third time, with Rand in 2016.
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Yeah, that irritated me too.
 
Veteran Citizen said:
I think if he was, he'd not hesitate to tell them where to stick it. If Dr. Paul made a call, he'd have more armed security in less than 24 hours than you would possibly imagine. Firearms enthusiasts tend to be pro-Liberty. He didn't make it this far by not being a fighter. I cannot imagine him bending to true tyranny.

I think he has sized up the actual delegate count, and he's doing his level best to make lemonade out of the lemons he was given.
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I think he was threatened. At least a good chance of this.


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Harris said the issue is less about Howard himself than about a Republican Party that he thinks has been overrun by libertarians.
"The GOP has been completely absent in terms of dealing in any effective way with Ron Paul, his delegates, or the issues that he's raised," he said. "They've just been AWOL."

Jewish Republicans, for their part, have been less than welcoming to Ron Paul in the past; the Republican Jewish Coalition didn't invite Paul to their candidates forum this year, because they "reject his misguided and extreme views," executive director Matt Brooks said at the time to the Washington Jewish Week. Brooks could not be immediately reached for comment on this story.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...f-Paul-Staffer-(Gary-Howard)&highlight=howard

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"dealing in any effective way with Ron Paul" - what is that supposed to mean? "dealing ... with Ron Paul". How is the GOP supposed to be "dealing with Ron Paul"?
 
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