Ron Paul Condems Obama’s Decision to Abandon DOMA

[Brett85]

Pardon the change of course of the discussion here, but an idea just struck me. I'm signed up on some tea party/912-ish meetup groups, which have a lot of political discussion in their emails. I'm going to post this story to them. It's the type of thing they would like, and it will help correct some of the misunderstandings a lot of them have about Ron Paul.

Don't you know that Ron is supposed to be reaching out to those liberals who cross over to vote for him in the GOP primary?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Pardon the change of course of the discussion here, but an idea just struck me. I'm signed up on some tea party/912-ish meetup groups, which have a lot of political discussion in their emails. I'm going to post this story to them. It's the type of thing they would like, and it will help correct some of the misunderstandings a lot of them have about Ron Paul.

Thank you Erowe1. I am going to present this at our next Tea Party gathering too. This is what we need to do and this is how we can win.

 

[sailingaway]

Thank you Erowe1. I am going to present this at our next Tea Party gathering too. This is what we need to do and this is how we can win.

Sigh....

I admit I did wonder if it had been sent to the freepers.... but I'd like to hear more from him about what he is getting at, to be honest.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Thank you Erowe1. I am going to present this at our next Tea Party gathering too. This is what we need to do and this is how we can win.

Win the battle, lose the war with the youth.

 

[sailingaway]

Win the battle, lose the war with the youth.

Yeah. I'm not sure I want to make a big thing of this.

 

[ItsTime]

Win the battle, lose the war with the youth.

Lucky they never vote.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Lucky they never vote.

I don't think you understand what the saying means.

The current crop of voters was once young. Ron Paul has moved the debate in his direction by miles over the last four years; why give that up now?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Win the battle, lose the war with the youth.

No...actually GET ELECTED...like Rand did.

Also, the "youth" are not some magic, infallible group of constituents. If some of them want to use government to alter marriage then THEY ARE WRONG...and Ron Paul is right.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

No...actually GET ELECTED...like Rand did.

Also, the "youth" are not some magic, infallible group of constituents. If some of them want to use government to alter marriage then THEY ARE WRONG...and Ron Paul is right.

What good is getting elected if the liberty movement gets sold down the river in order to do so?

It will be Ronald Reagan all over again.

 

[Brett85]

Win the battle, lose the war with the youth.

If the youth are going to vote based on an issue like gay marriage then there's no hope for them.

 

[Brett85]

What good is getting elected if the liberty movement gets sold down the river in order to do so?

It will be Ronald Reagan all over again.

There's no need for the liberty movement to support government expansion into marriage. When you look at how the Campaign for Liberty grades reps in Congress, they don't even look at the social issues at all.

 

[Churchill2004]

Meh. Ron Paul panders to social cons. Nothing new here, really. It always disappoints me a bit, particularly the misleading and incomplete "it just protects states rights!" description of doma. That's a load of horse shit, DOMA requires the federal government to not accept valid state-issued marriages. Thats why federalism is a red herring- doma sets a FEDERAL marriage policy and unconstitutionally burdens some valid marriages and not others. Its a shame Paul couldnt come around on this like he did DADT, and its an even bigger shame the GOP is so over-run by bigoted theocrats.

 

[Kludge]

If the youth are going to vote based on an issue like gay marriage then there's no hope for them.

I think it's more about ideological consistency than the actual legislation. Similar to RP introducing a version of Cash for Clunkers. Youth are apathetic either because they really don't care (either due to being disconnected from the actions of gov't or not wanting to fight) or because all politicians seem the same to them.

That said, I think this discussion has gone on longer than the topic merits.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Meh. Ron Paul panders to social cons. Nothing new here, really.

Rigggghhht. It couldn't be that Ron actually believes what he says.

 

[Churchill2004]

Rigggghhht. It couldn't be that Ron actually believes what he says.

You say that like the two are mutually exclusive. There are lots of positions Paul holds that he doesnt issue press releases for packed with references to Iowa and misleading explanations of a piece of legislation. Paul has hinted strongly at disagreeing with prostitution laws in the past. I dont expect that to be a campaign theme for iowa...

 

[georgiaboy]

Win the battle, lose the war with the youth.

not the youth I see being raised around my neck of the woods.

 

[georgiaboy]

Ron is a social con.

 

[sailingaway]

If the youth are going to vote based on an issue like gay marriage then there's no hope for them.

That isn't the point. Ron is electrifying because of his consistency. Here there are bad impacts on both sides the way the laws split the issue, it is religion VERSUS marriage for gays, and it doesn't have to be divided that way. (Get the government out is the solution.) But as long as it DOES get divided that way I know Rand comes down on the side he has an entrenched interest in, his personal religious beliefs on the definition of a religious sacrament. Ron, as a personal matter, does as well, I guess. I wasn't really clear on that because his usual response is simply that government doesn't belong in marraige at all.

It will hurt him with people who don't realize there is a freedom of religion question on the other side and many DON'T understand that. That is BEYOND those to whom this is a primary issue.

 

[Brett85]

That isn't the point. Ron is electrifying because of his consistency. Here there are bad impacts on both sides the way the laws split the issue, it is religion VERSUS marriage for gays, and it doesn't have to be divided that way. (Get the government out is the solution.) But as long as it DOES get divided that way I know Rand comes down on the side he has an entrenched interest in, his personal religious beliefs on the definition of a religious sacrament. Ron, as a personal matter, does as well, I guess. I wasn't really clear on that because his usual response is simply that government doesn't belong in marraige at all.

It will hurt him with people who don't realize there is a freedom of religion question on the other side and many DON'T understand that. That is BEYOND those to whom this is a primary issue.

I don't think that many gay Republicans will be voting in the Iowa caucuses. It's confusing to me when people say that Ron needs to reach out to those "on the left" when the voters in the GOP primaries are hardcore social conservatives. Perhaps people here want Ron to run as a Democrat and primary Obama?

 

[Icymudpuppy]

Show me where in the constitution the Federal government is authorized to get involved in marriage. Didn't think so. DOMA is unconstitutional.