Ron Paul Campaign Announces ‘Hispanics for Ron Paul’ Nationwide Coalition!

[Zarn Solen]

I do not have any problem with the group. There are some Hispanics who do feel isolated from the GOP. Certain Republican voters have trashed Mexicans or Hispanics in general, because they are upset about undocumented immigration. These certain voters also consider blacks completely brainwashed with the exceptions being countable on the fingers of their two hands. Reaching out to groups helps differentiate Ron Paul and his supporters from other GOP candidates and their supporters. There was, however, one Ron Paul supporter here that claimed Cuban Americans would never support Paul, so winning Florida was out of the question. That type of talk needs to stop.

I do have problems with the assumptions that we all have 2 or 3 pivotal issues such as border control/ immigration, welfare, and abortion or that we are socially conservative and fiscally liberal.

We aren't one culture, so it really is a coalition of sorts. There are some major differences between Mexicans and Cubans, just like there are differences between Latin European countries (France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium (Wallonia), Switzerland (some parts), Romania, Moldova, and some microstates). Of course individualism can make anything a coalition.

 

[69360]

Apparently the race or should I say ethnic card is a touchy subject here. What all of you are missing is that this is a voluntary thing. Ron is all for voluntary association. Any people can join any group they chose voluntarily. The problems start when you force people to join a group. I don't see anyone with guns forcing people to join Hispanics for Paul. Do you?

 

[rp713]

Apparently the race or should I say ethnic card is a touchy subject here. What all of you are missing is that this is a voluntary thing. Ron is all for voluntary association. Any people can join any group they chose voluntarily. The problems start when you force people to join a group. I don't see anyone with guns forcing people to join Hispanics for Paul. Do you?

exactly. im an american hispanic/latino and i havent joined the group. i might someday but i dont feel compelled or obligated to do it.

 

[LawnWake]

People collectivize, it's a sad truth. Prejudice and a certain cultural stigma is reflected by this collectivism. Being a self-described 'conservative Republican who believes in a secure border' can project an image of racism against Mexicans and Latin Americans. Not because the belief itself is racist, but because a lot of racists use the same rhetoric to justify their beliefs. I think it's the aim of the campaign to distance itself from that image. I disagree with it personally, but I can see why the campaign chose to do it.

 

[Deborah K]

just because RP believes in individuality doesnt mean he cant talk to specific groups of people if he wants. thats how you build coalitions in the first place. if you get hispanics(which are mostly democrat) on board with the whole liberty movement then what is wrong with that? has the message changed to cowtow to them? has he comprised any of his beliefs? no. theres nothing wrong with him looking for support from various groups, RP takes any support from anyone whether they consider themselves part of a group or independent. the message never changes, only the hearts and minds of people that come from various backgrounds. and the campaign is trying to reach out to various backgrounds to BUILD MORE SUPPORT. idiots.

Nice. Do you call everyone you disagree with an idiot?

 

[Deborah K]

Wait, so we are against Vets for Ron Paul too? I guess its bad to say "the troops support Ron Paul" since not EVERYONE does. Is "Some individuals that served in the military of the US government support Ron Paul" better?

The argument is becoming circular now. My position is that grassroots supporters of Ron Paul ought to be able to form whatever group they choose. My problem is when the campaign decides to do this. It smacks of cultural exploitation. And just because I don't agree with this effort, does not mean I think it is "evil', it does not make me "hateful" or an "idiot". Some of you people crack me up.

 

[MelissaWV]

So you guys must have missed the part where Deborah and I have no problem with the group existing, and are not calling for it to be disbanded (and I haven't seen any of the other folks do that, either).

It's interesting that the chief argument seems to be "but you don't understand! We need to reach out to... THEM!"

Your assumption, over and over, is that the "them" is one cohesive unit with issues that matter to them more than others. It is the same logic that leads folks to talk about women and Ron Paul as being purely about the abortion issue. It's silly to me. It isn't to the people who started that site, ages ago.

I haven't called any of you stupid for it. I've said that it seems a wee bit silly and hypocritical in some instances.

Then again, I also missed the part where I still live in WV (I did for a few years), and not in an immigration-heavy state. I must have missed the part where I am anti-Hispanic, too. Some of you make some huge assumptions. It is seriously hilarious, until it makes me weep for our future.

Oh well.

I really wish there were a better option for organizing things than these forums.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I don't agree with it. Like I said, let the grassroots deal with it, not the campaign. They are compromising a principle of his which is that grouping people into races, etc. hurts rather than helps the individual.

Hispanic certainly isn't a race. Most scientist don't beleive in different human races. If you do, you likely know that the vast majority of hispanics in the US are considered caucasian. Ron Paul isn't against groups of people. He also has a veterans for Paul group. He also has a students for Paul group. I don't see the problem.

 

[BlackTerrel]

BlackTerrel:

I think you're reading too much into this. It's an open forum. I think this whole _______________ for Ron Paul thing is ridiculous, mildly insulting, and contraindicated. *I* think that. I haven't called for people who think otherwise to change their views, or take down the page (which long predates the OP; I've been aware of it for some time, and just didn't go to it, and it wasn't really "official" so no problem).

I'm sure there is a "Blacks for Ron Paul" out there that talks about "issues important to blacks," like welfare and drugs and loud music. Insulting? Huh? Whatcha mean?

Was there anything in that group that is insulting to Hispanic people. Of your three - two I know you are joking but when it comes to the war on drugs I do use Dr. Paul's position on that debacle to help introduce him to black people I know.

If there was a black people for Ron Paul group I don't necessarily know that I'd join but I wouldn't have an issue with it. I do have an issue in that 90% of the black people I know think "we're just supposed to" support Obama.