Romney's Illinois chairman takes Ron Paul sign out and throws it down

[Revolution9]

She didn't like the Ron Paul supporter screaming "Fascist!! F---!!! F---!!!" directly infront of some guy's kids. She didnt like them yelling at the reporter because he asked them to move out of his shot.

I dont get you people. I was there I was actually there in person and saw what happened with my eyes, I am telling you that both sides were in the wrong. Unless you were there, how can you say my argument is worthless?

I just watched the video. That big thug with the nose attached to his lip was a total jackass. I would have taken the sign back from him and jacked him if he touched me. He was already guilty of assault. You do not touch peoples private property. I would not take this crap lying down. I am a MAN goddamnit, not some Fabian socialized sissy ..

As for your wife.. Let her know..the guy wasn't just a fascist thug..he was a ~f*%#ing~ fascst thug. He is pissed that his gravy train of ill gotten gains will be shut down and he will have to find a real job. He is pure strongarm.. His number has been gotten now though..mwuhahaha!

Randy

 

[Sean]

She didn't like the Ron Paul supporter screaming "Fascist!! F---!!! F---!!!" directly infront of some guy's kids. She didnt like them yelling at the reporter because he asked them to move out of his shot.

I dont get you people. I was there I was actually there in person and saw what happened with my eyes, I am telling you that both sides were in the wrong. Unless you were there, how can you say my argument is worthless?

I wouldn't condone that sort of behavior, but this post is about Romney's campaign chairmen. You would have to agree there is a big difference between a some random supporters and someone in charge of the campaign. I have recruited eleven people to vote for Ron Paul so far and haven't yelled a bit.

 

[fj45lvr]

As for your wife.. Let her know..the guy wasn't just a fascist thug..he was a ~f*%#ing~ fascst thug. He is pissed that his gravy train of ill gotten gains will be shut down and he will have to find a real job. He is pure strongarm.. His number has been gotten now though..mwuhahaha!

Or MAYBE he was making a statement against some disrespectful supposed Paul "supporters" that were doing something that got him pissed and rightfully so......this video doesn't let you know........so don't try to "spin" this thing.

 

[mkrfctr]

So rather than show the fact that another candidate has wild support at the event, they should all stand quietly by, and at the end of the TV interview, they should what, send golf claps all the way around?

/wouldn't be so bad, if after a Mitt sentence someone yelled "get in the hole!"
//you know Ron Paul will get scant coverage, but it's hard to miss when Ron Paul is in every shot, including during interviews with other candidates.
///they are gonna have to start doing interviews in a sound proof booth in front of a green screen to insert a shot of each candidates supporters
////no matter what the guy was being obviously immature about the deal, standing on one guys sign, as the dude said, like there weren't a ton more about
/////not everyone thinks swear words are the evil incarnate of the devil ... or he might not have realized children were a few feet away, etc etc
//////You'll get over it.

Edit: read descrip of what happened in more detail. Sounds like they were doing a bit of rude heckling rather than some Ron Paul chants and standing and waving signs in the background, and they could have been nicer in saying 'no' in response to the reporters request to move out of the shot. Would be nicer if the hecklers were not directly associated with Ron Paul, but still the one guy is a member of Mitt's staff, not some random person. And it's not the job of anyone to make easier the job of the MSM who seek to shield the truth, ever. Stand in the shot, chant Ron Paul. Just don't be an ass about it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

She didn't like the Ron Paul supporter screaming "Fascist!! F---!!! F---!!!" directly infront of some guy's kids. She didnt like them yelling at the reporter because he asked them to move out of his shot.

I dont get you people. I was there I was actually there in person and saw what happened with my eyes, I am telling you that both sides were in the wrong. Unless you were there, how can you say my argument is worthless?

I'm not going to argue with you guys. If you think its ok to distance yourselves from voters just because you feel you're right so you're all going to force your rightness on those who say your wrong, go for it.

I'm done with this discussion because its a waste of time to try reasoning on this matter. I know what I saw, but I'm sure all of you know better.

This is disgusting behavior. When are some of us going to learn that this is not one big peace demonstration!! If you think any Republican who saw this kind of disgraceful behavior by a Ron Paul supporter, would ever come near Dr. Paul, much less vote for him, you have another thing coming! WAKE UP! What we do, reflects on Dr. Paul. Whoever did this should stay home next time if this is the best he can do. He just lost us votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN IT!

 

[fj45lvr]

So rather than show the fact that another candidate has wild support at the event, they should all stand quietly by, and at the end of the TV interview, they should what, send golf claps all the way around?

/wouldn't be so bad, if after a Mitt sentence someone yelled "get in the hole!"

standing by quitely with their ron paul signs would have alot more impact positively than being RUDE a-holes that would be willing to chant "get in the hole!" after every sentence Mitt speaks.

I guess this only really shows that Paul has alot of younger supporters that haven't "matured" yet so they're willing to alienate the people that they NEED to win the election: republicans.

 

[jonahtrainer]

This is disgusting behavior. When are some of us going to learn that this is not one big peace demonstration!! If you think any Republican who saw this kind of disgraceful behavior by a Ron Paul supporter, would ever come near Dr. Paul, much less vote for him, you have another thing coming! WAKE UP! What we do, reflects on Dr. Paul. Whoever did this should stay home next time if this is the best he can do. He just lost us votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN IT!

I do not think we should lay the charge at the feet of a legitimate Ron Paul supporter. For all we know the person acting in a disgraceful way was paid by Romney or Goooliani. What we do know is the Romney supporter held an official position within the Romney campaign.

 

[Omnis]

If I were not a Ron Paul supporter and wasn't completely dedicated to any one candidate yet...

* and I saw passionate people displaying and announcing their support for Ron Paul, I'd be intrigued to find out more.

* and a Ron Paul supporter extended a friendly handshake, I'd want to learn more.

* and a protestor / self-appointed revolutionary super-activist for Ron Paul was rudely yelling at or near me or especially my family, I'd likely be compelled to either: kick some ass, quickly get as far away from that shit as possible, or other. But one thing I'm absolutely sure I wouldn't be compelled to do is go out to seek more information on Ron Paul or want to be associated with that uncomfortable atmosphere.

It's not a "politically correct" thing to have manners and respect for others. And, it might just impress more people to become part of our important cause instead of being pushed away from it.

I have a great appreciation for passion and enthusiasm which is some of the stuff I enjoy so much about Ron Paul's grass-roots effort. I have, however, no tolerance for someone forcing themselves upon me or pre-emptively striking and acting like an ass to me.

This rEVOLution is a movement for something good and important, not one against non-(yet) Ron Paul supporters.

Well put. You're quite right. People don't flock to chaos, so it should be our priority not to cause any.

 

[mkrfctr]

standing by quitely with their ron paul signs would have alot more impact positively than being RUDE a-holes that would be willing to chant "get in the hole!" after every sentence Mitt speaks.

I guess this only really shows that Paul has alot of younger supporters that haven't "matured" yet so they're willing to alienate the people that they NEED to win the election: republicans.

The "get in the hole!" part was obviously sarcasm... since it's stupid when golf people do it, and it's obviously unrelated to anything in politics and makes no sense, other than in reference to my comment on standing around silently and then giving a golf clap. Sorry you missed that.

And if chanting the name of the candidate you support for president is alienating, then I don't want to be right. However chanting "Fascist!" as described is a bit different, and is likely to alienate as it's negative, and really just meant to ruin the interview, as opposed to showing support for another candidate in the background visual and audio..

/way to insult young people, Mr. doesn't want to alienate... *rolls eyes*

 

[BLS]

Some people here have made some compelling arguments for why this was out of line on the RP supporters part.

I will admit right here and now that I was likely wrong in my assertation.
I didn't read the post about what he had said to this man around children.
I don't know how the whole thing went down.

I am infuriated at the fact they took his sign away and destroyed it.
But if he was out of line, those here who suggested this is a poor way to demonstrate are probably correct.


FJ45lvr, I owe you an apology.
I guess my problem with what happened is this. We are expected to play THEIR game, but they don't play by the same rules. The Establishment hides Dr. Paul as much as they can, they bash him, they ignore him, they fight him (and his supporters).

There are 2 instances I can give that I failed to recognize earlier today when I posted.

1. Blacks in Amercia were never taken seriously about their fight for equal rights until a man came along and got hundreds of thousands of people to march into Washington PEACEFULLY. For years before that, it was fighting, and street riots, and it accomplished nothing.

2. We need to fight in a different method. We can't let anything get physical. Ever. Get it on video, post it on youtube, or send it to your local news, but NEVER be part of the problem. We need to show some class.


I was wrong...and as much as I know myslef, I would want to punch that guy out for taking my property, I HOPE that if in the same position, I would be able to control myself.

My last point...
For the guy who said his wife said she wouldn't vote for Dr. Paul because of one group of supporters...with all due respect sir, that's very close minded.

Just because the Cowboys cheerleaders are too scantily clad, or ugly, or whatever, doesn't mean I won't watch the Cowboys game.....

That's like saying I'll never vote for a Republican again because of GWB.
One man does not epitomize a party or way of thinking.

 

[Revolution9]

Or MAYBE he was making a statement against some disrespectful supposed Paul "supporters" that were doing something that got him pissed and rightfully so......this video doesn't let you know........so don't try to "spin" this thing.

The spin here is against the RP supporter whom was assaulted by the Romney strongarmer somewhat. The other guy was the obvious jerk. He had someone try toget the tread on sign back and stomped it furth standing square on the center with a "come on mofo..try to take this from me" attitude. I woulda took it from him.. Flat out., Big ass zinjanthropian jaw jutted troglodyte ain't gonna treaqd on the Good Doctors name while I am there...OK..so I mixed up evolutionary metaphors..but this guy is a throwback to strongarm 40's' politics. 40's politics.. Mett the grownup of the new millenium. You will be outed. Your dirt will be washed clean. You will not use aggressive tactics ti shut up what you do not want to upset your world view. Your political cash gravy train days are numbered. Scream and throw tantrums all you want but keep your effing hands off our people and our signs. There may be a bunch of yuppified pussies and Fabian socialized sissies yelling No Stop!! Yer hurting the cause.. Well..go back to your cookie cutter house or condo and let the real men handle the fight against the Brits. I am sick and bloody tired of politics as usual. The thug was a tyrant..he should be stood up to.

Randg

 

[Wyurm]

The spin here is against the RP supporter whom was assaulted by the Romney strongarmer somewhat. The other guy was the obvious jerk. He had someone try toget the tread on sign back and stomped it furth standing square on the center with a "come on mofo..try to take this from me" attitude. I woulda took it from him.. Flat out., Big ass zinjanthropian jaw jutted troglodyte ain't gonna treaqd on the Good Doctors name while I am there...OK..so I mixed up evolutionary metaphors..but this guy is a throwback to strongarm 40's' politics. 40's politics.. Mett the grownup of the new millenium. You will be outed. Your dirt will be washed clean. You will not use aggressive tactics ti shut up what you do not want to upset your world view. Your political cash gravy train days are numbered. Scream and throw tantrums all you want but keep your effing hands off our people and our signs. There may be a bunch of yuppified pussies and Fabian socialized sissies yelling No Stop!! Yer hurting the cause.. Well..go back to your cookie cutter house or condo and let the real men handle the fight against the Brits. I am sick and bloody tired of politics as usual. The thug was a tyrant..he should be stood up to.

Randg

You saw a video that does not show you how it all started. So, have at it Randy, go ahead and make an ass of yourself. You really think that we need to be disrespectful assholes in order to win this? If so, the perhaps you're right and we should start screaming at reporters and punching the other candidates in the face. Who are they to DARE tell us how to act. How dare they not like us harrassing them during interviews!!!! We need to kick some butt and just start running up to everyone and screaming that they better vote for Ron Paul!!!!! Get right in their faces, and if they don't like it, they have to be in the wrong and anyone that disagrees is a Fabian socialized sissy. Please Randy, be our leader since you have such great wisdom.

 

[FluffyUnbound]

She didn't like the Ron Paul supporter screaming "Fascist!! F---!!! F---!!!" directly infront of some guy's kids. She didnt like them yelling at the reporter because he asked them to move out of his shot.

I dont get you people. I was there I was actually there in person and saw what happened with my eyes, I am telling you that both sides were in the wrong. Unless you were there, how can you say my argument is worthless?

I'm not going to argue with you guys. If you think its ok to distance yourselves from voters just because you feel you're right so you're all going to force your rightness on those who say your wrong, go for it.

I'm done with this discussion because its a waste of time to try reasoning on this matter. I know what I saw, but I'm sure all of you know better.

It's a good thing you're done with the discussion, because your contribution is worthless.

The reporter didn't want Paul supporters in his shot. Tough shit. The media narrative for this campaign is that Paul's supporters don't exist. If that's the story they want to tell, there's no reason for Paul supporters to COOPERATE in pushing that bullshit meme.

And here's a clue for you: If someone steals my sign, throws it on the ground and steps on it, and I say, "Fuck you, you fascist," I am right and they are wrong. If someone rips a sign out of my hand, they deserve to be cursed at and they deserve to be called a fascist. Way to side with the guy who starts handing out abuse and not the guy who rightly and appropriately calls him on it.

And as far as all your honey and vinegar stuff goes, the guy who took the sign is a state senator who works in Romney's organization. We're not exactly talking about an undecided voter here. You just want to cooperate in your own marginalization because you have this fantasy that a guy like that will change his mind and be on your side. It's not going to happen.

 

[axiomata]

You saw a video that does not show you how it all started. So, have at it Randy, go ahead and make an ass of yourself. You really think that we need to be disrespectful assholes in order to win this? If so, the perhaps you're right and we should start screaming at reporters and punching the other candidates in the face. Who are they to DARE tell us how to act. How dare they not like us harrassing them during interviews!!!! We need to kick some butt and just start running up to everyone and screaming that they better vote for Ron Paul!!!!! Get right in their faces, and if they don't like it, they have to be in the wrong and anyone that disagrees is a Fabian socialized sissy. Please Randy, be our leader since you have such great wisdom.

I, for one, appreciate your account. There's nothing wrong with being civilized, and it appears that some Paul supporters need to try a little of it. It doesn't excuse what Rutherford and his "muscle" did, but our goal is not to provoke people who disagree, it's to convince them. Rude behavior is not a good way to do that.

 

[max]

Your wife makes no sense

Tell your wife that Ron Paul supporters arent running for president. Ron Paul is!

How absurd to hold it against RP if some of his supporters are overzealous..

Woodrow Wilson sure screwed us good...The Federal Resrve...The Income tax...WW1......and allowing women to vote...

 

[axiomata]

Tell your wife that Ron Paul supporters arent running for president. Ron Paul is!

How absurd to hold it against RP if some of his supporters are overzealous..

Woodrow Wilson sure screwed us good...The Federal Resrve...The Income tax...WW1......and allowing women to vote...

Way to offend have the potential voting population

 

[fj45lvr]

You just want to cooperate in your own marginalization because you have this fantasy that a guy like that will change his mind and be on your side. It's not going to happen.

It just doesn't sink in I guess.....its not about the Senator....its about the "supposed" Ron Paul "supporters" being rude a-holes and provoking what happened by showing up to be "protestors" rather than "supporters" seemingly attempting to "advertise" the man they think has the best "ideas" or whatever their reasoning or issue is....

How people percieve ACTIONS speaks louder than WORDS unfortunately....

the "supporters" are excited and fired up...GOOD, GREAT....now just clue them in on being respectful and AMBASSADORS instead of disrespectful COMBATANTS.

 

[specsaregood]

All I am going to say is this:
The Romney campaign has already demonstrated that they can not be trusted by hiring staff that has impersonated police.

That state senator had no reason to take the sign and hand it to a goon to stand upon and was obviously TRYING to provoke a fight. Very well could have been an attempted setup.

The Ron Paul supporter should have located an officer and had a complaint filed on the spot against the state senator. Simple as that. And had his property retrieved. And filmed it in case the officer showed "favorites"

 

[DjLoTi]

^^^ I agree

 

[quickmike]

man, I cant believe this thread is still going.................... oops ........... I just bumped it up a little further............ damnit!!!!