Romney's Illinois chairman takes Ron Paul sign out and throws it down

[jj111]

Romney's people were in the wrong, there were tons of state police there all they had to do is ask one to help out if there was a problem, rather than taking matters into their own hands and making a scene. However, and keep in mind I was actually there, the RP supporters weren't in the right either. Instead of picking the whole thing apart, let me just say what my wife who is not a Ron Paul supporter said about it as she was waiting for me on a bench directly across from where this happened.

She told me that after seeing how the Ron Paul supporters act, she has no intention of ever supporting Ron Paul. It took me a good long while to convince her that its a minority of supporters that become agressive and cross the line. She also told me that the guy who had his sign stood on was screaming and swearing directly infront of another supporter and his children. She said the man covered his children's ears and asked the angry supporter if that was necessary.

I stayed out of it, I'm not going to allow myself to be associated with that sort of behavior. Its good to support Ron Paul, but not good to push it to the point of giving him a negative appearance. My wife also said that the chairman who ripped the sign out of that guys hand was talking on the phone to Romney asking him where he was (Romney did show up later, gah he is so out of touch with most American's). She said the chairman told Romney that Ron Paul's campaign manager had some very good points, but his supporters are insane. I know you wont care about that, but it is good to know what your opponents are saying about you. Also, what some call insanity isnt really insanity its just passion.

So what do I think you should do. Well, I think you should be aware that both parties were in the wrong and I do actually hate that jerk that was standing on the sign. I'm not going to make a big deal out of it because I know it was a situation where most everyone was being respectful, yet about 3 or 4 on both sides turned it into a bad thing. You of course can complain if you want especially if you weren't there. Definitely feel free to complain about the guy that stood on the sign cause hes just plain repulsive in person.

You never know if people who act out in a situation like this are actually nuts (there are some in this world), or are agents provocateur secretly working for the other side. In all cases. step back and videotape. Disassociate and retreat from the occasional crazies, whether they are really crazy or agents provocateur you may never be able to find out.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Woodrow Wilson sure screwed us good...The Federal Resrve...The Income tax...WW1......and allowing women to vote...

Be careful, Max. Think about the gender of the people who have sold out our country. I don't think it's women.

 

[Bob Cochran]

I wouldnt have touched him because it would make RP supporters look bad, but I DEFINITELY would have gotten up about 2 inches nose to nose in his face and mocked him in my best hillbilly voice saying something like "yeah, im a mitt romney s'porter cuz he has gud hair and im a sheep who lykes his imige, hell, we need a republic'n who acts like a dem'crat............yuk yuk yuk" and just wait for him to take a shot at me.

I would have kicked his ass, stuck the sign up it, and said I was a Fred Thompson supporter and a huge HUGE Sean Hannity fan.

But that's just me.

 

[LibertyEagle]

And here's a clue for you: If someone steals my sign, throws it on the ground and steps on it, and I say, "Fuck you, you fascist," I am right and they are wrong. If someone rips a sign out of my hand, they deserve to be cursed at and they deserve to be called a fascist. Way to side with the guy who starts handing out abuse and not the guy who rightly and appropriately calls him on it.

No. It's about acting like an adult and not acting like some kind of hooligan. Children were there. Cursing in front of children is not acceptable. I don't care WHAT was done.

This person lost us votes. I hope it was worth it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I would have kicked his ass, stuck the sign up it, and said I was a Fred Thompson supporter and a huge HUGE Sean Hannity fan.

But that's just me.

Now THAT probably would have worked.

 

[quickmike]

I would have kicked his ass, stuck the sign up it, and said I was a Fred Thompson supporter and a huge HUGE Sean Hannity fan.

But that's just me.

Hey, thats an awesome idea!!!!! Someone should hire you for ideas like that.

 

[Keith]

What a great line, "Don't let this guy step on your Ron Paul sign."

I kept expecting Charlton Heston to come on and say, "When you pry it out of my cold dead hands!"

 

[quickmike]

No. It's about acting like an adult and not acting like some kind of hooligan. Children were there. Cursing in front of children is not acceptable. I don't care WHAT was done.

This person lost us votes. I hope it was worth it.

Nah, I dont think it really made a difference either way. Both sides did wrong so it evens out. I dont think the type of person that has the sense enough to value the words of Ron Pauls message would let an incident from a lone supporter effect their opinion of Ron Paul. Every candidate has a supporter that runs his mouth at some point, this was just ours I guess. It will all be forgotten in a week im sure.


I still say the kicking his ass and saying "im a fred thompson supporter" was the best idea on here yet. Just make sure you drop your Ron Paul sign before the cameras roll

 

[Wyurm]

Nah, I dont think it really made a difference either way. Both sides did wrong so it evens out. I dont think the type of person that has the sense enough to value the words of Ron Pauls message would let an incident from a lone supporter effect their opinion of Ron Paul. Every candidate has a supporter that runs his mouth at some point, this was just ours I guess. It will all be forgotten in a week im sure.


I still say the kicking his ass and saying "im a fred thompson supporter" was the best idea on here yet. Just make sure you drop your Ron Paul sign before the cameras roll

Maybe we should organize a security detail and arm them all with "Better Fred than DEAD!!!" signs. Then if anything does happen they can take care of it and it wont be on us

 

[quickmike]

Maybe we should organize a security detail and arm them all with "Better Fred than DEAD!!!" signs. Then if anything does happen they can take care of it and it wont be on us

just tell us where to sign up

 

[BLS]

Way to offend have the potential voting population

I think you missed his point entirely.

 

[axiomata]

I think you missed his point entirely.

I understood him perfectly well. He said Paul supporters aren't running for president, Paul is. ... (which is undoubtedly true)

He then tacked on his opinion that it was a mistake to allow women to vote. A statement that will and should offend 99% of the population. Now when said 99% look at his first point, (which was true remember,) they won't be thinking about it, since they will be too offended by the offensive part to care to think about the first/true part..

Applying this to Paul's campaign, if Paul's supporters are all obnoxious boars or flamboyant sexists it doesn't matter what Paul's message is if the medium through which it is broadcast is not clear and palatable.

 

[kylebrotherton]

A Ron Paul supporter swearing and yelling in front of children? I believe it. There are a few anarchists who support Paul, and they are very loud.

I guess it's a testament to his limited gov credentials. If there was a candidate who favored less government than Ron Paul, the anarchists would support that person.

It's true that these jerks cost us votes. But they don't give a f___, and they'll tell you so.

With supporters like this, who needs opponents?

 

[McDermit]

I wonder how people would react if Romney supporters were running around interrupting speeches and swearing in front of kids.

 

[fj45lvr]

I wonder how people would react if Romney supporters were running around interrupting speeches and swearing in front of kids.

No doubt this is a HUGE problem.....lose a couple hundred punk "supporters" and potentially gain tens of thousands........

unfortunately, people tend to judge the book by it's cover.....Paul deserves a better "cover" than these quote unquote ANARCHIST types (body piercing, foul mouthed, hemp lovin, primary losin, "supporters" that they are).

no doubt the campaign has some issues to sort out as things snowball out of their control .......it is TRAGIC too, when Paul himself would scold people for saying "red light district" in front of any ladies....wish that was more the impression that folks had of Paul instead of the "Insane clown posse" of a-holes.

 

[theZRC]

paulite vs senator

A Ron Paul supporter acting a bit immature is unfortunately, not surprising. The Ron Paul Revolution tends to draw the free spirited, as well as the EXTREMELY free spirited. Yes, it reflects poorly on the campaign when a supporter curses as this man did. However, his unthoughtful act isn't even comparable to that of Sen. Dan Rutherford (R-Chenoa). The man is a state senator for cryin' out loud. The video didn't capture the entire event, but honestly, can you think of any possible situation where the best solution would be to steal a sign and stand on it. THIS S!@T IS ABSOLUTELY CHILDISH!!! In reaction to this i would encourage all Ron Paul supporters to do two things:

1- Act professional. -Manners, manners, manners! Don't try to fight city hall if we're trying to BE city hall. Whether you like it or not everything you do while wearing a RP shirt, sportin' a RP sticker, or carrying an RP sign, is a contributing factor to how most people see the good doctor and his campaign.

and 2-Point out the enemy's asinine tactics. If anyone you talk to has decided that Ron Paul supporters are unruly, or out of line, just point out how ridiculous our opposition is (i.e. Dan Rutherford, Mark Levine). Our grassroots movement is unconventional to say the least, and the power brokers do not know how to deal with it. If we simply out-class these jerks we will have the upper hand, and all of their punk ass whinny B#$%H tactics will just backfire.

Peace be with you.
Zach R Carter

 

[fj45lvr]

I understood him perfectly well. He said Paul supporters aren't running for president, Paul is. ... (which is undoubtedly true)

He then tacked on his opinion that it was a mistake to allow women to vote. A statement that will and should offend 99% of the population. Now when said 99% look at his first point, (which was true remember,) they won't be thinking about it, since they will be too offended by the offensive part to care to think about the first/true part..

Applying this to Paul's campaign, if Paul's supporters are all obnoxious boars or flamboyant sexists it doesn't matter what Paul's message is if the medium through which it is broadcast is not clear and palatable.

I interpret his comments as meaning something else entirely in that Paul is no more to blame for his supporters than Woodrow Wilson is to blame for these things that happened under his presidency.....it would make sense that way (if in fact wilson was not a major cog in those things happening) the inference being "sarcastic" concerning these different things that happened....alas, the only way to know for sure is for him to explain it.

I will say too that I believe that our Congress and Country would be much different if the founders views towards eligible voters was still the "law of the land" whereby you had to be a male landowner to vote (no matter how repugnant that idea is to some people we IMHO would be a totally different country today with alot more respect for individual rights, private property, and NOT a huge Federal bearuacracy with HUGE taxes and the welfare state...that for sure is the honest to God truth)

 

[Nefertiti]

Those Paul supporters that don't want to see his chances "hijacked" by disrespectful "punks" that have no respect for others need to take action.....(for all the conspiracy theorists out there maybe the typical "anachists" are latching onto Paul as a democratic strategy as they don't want to face Paul in the general election as the Rep. Nominee) These anarchists are real "classy" folks....they're probably more worried about drugs than anything else!!

It seems to me that any anarchist who supports Ron Paul or any other politician is a hypocrite. Their beliefs are in opposition to any form of government at all. The way to deal with these types is perhaps to point out to them the ways in which Ron Paul doesn't support their philosophies. Then they might sour on him a bit. It might seem rude to try and exclude some "supporters" but as long as it is done on the basis of facts about his policies I only see it helping us to get him elected.

 

[Nefertiti]

I too wish people would calm down when supporting RP. Wishful thinking i suppose.

I was a bit disturbed by the refrain "louder"-better to replace it with something that would emphasize Ron Paul's policies.

 

[Nefertiti]

The Ron Paul supporter should have located an officer and had a complaint filed on the spot against the state senator. Simple as that. And had his property retrieved. And filmed it in case the officer showed "favorites"

Absolutely. That is exactly what I would have done. It's theft or even assault isn't it? The Ron Paul supporters sure were peaceful but they certainly didn't stand up for their legal rights.