RNC demands networks to yank McCain '100 year Iraq war' AD

[tekrunner]

What McCain meant was similar to having troops in Japan, Korea, Germany, etc. Our troops aren't in combat there, but we have a presence. Of course he doesn't want a 100 year war, and it is a little disingenuous for Democrats to attack McCain for this when it essentially their policy as well. The ad is misleading, but in politics, you better watch what you say. McCain hasn't learned that lesson.

Mccain wants us to be at war for as long as he's in power.

 

[familydog]

Mccain wants us to be at war for as long as he's in power.

Ok bud.

 

[Aratus]

a sledge hammer ad... ?

 

[Aratus]

the korean war is still a militarized stalemate.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Not to be picking on you so don't get defensive, but McCain is a big boy and knows what the middle east has been like for ages upon ages. He knows there is not going to be a resolution of conflict over there, so a 100 years of occupation will mean 100 years of conflict.

We will be consider an affront as long as we are there, and thus requiring a lesson in not to occupy the lands of foreigners. If China had their military in your front yard to ensure their version of peace prevailed how many years of occupation would it take for you to ignore their presence????

Maybe McCain doesn't know what is going on in the Middle East...he consistently confuses Shiites with Sunnis...see below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4THiNvVX4

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Well, it has been Ron Paul's position that we shouldn't have troops deployed around the world like in Germany or South Korea. Even if we aren't fighting, we're spending millions to keep troops there, and for what?

We're spending $100's of BILLIONS around the world with our MILITARY EMPIRE.

Germany, MERCEDES, BMWs, AUDI, the 3rd largest economy in the world and we have to be there?

It costs American TAXPAYERS over $10 BILLION a year to just maintain the bases in GERMANY ALONE!

WHAT A WASTE!

Didn't we learn from the SOVIETs in AFGHANISTAN?

 

[acptulsa]

It costs American TAXPAYERS over $10 BILLION a year to just maintain the bases in GERMANY ALONE!

WHAT A WASTE!

Didn't we learn from the SOVIETs in AFGHANISTAN?

We didn't have to wait that long. Even before 1980 we knew more than enough about the ancient city-state of Athens to learn the lesson. We're setting ourselves up for one hell of a fall. But, like a teenage boy, we refuse to believe it.

 

[moostraks]

Does he really know that? How can you be so sure? Maybe he's just naive like most other people? I can't read his mind, but I can read his lips. Like I said, I'm just telling what he said. I'm not agreeing with him, but I am not so blinded that I can't call a spade a spade.

"read my lips...no new taxes" If you are reading lips to trust a politicians motives then good luck!!!

I am calling a spade a spade. The only people who believe that we could occupy the middle east without being involved in conflict are those who have lived their lives completely insulated by life in the United States.(And most of those with any common sense can reason what the result would be....) Anyone who has had exposure to foreigners, especially those involved in the military overseas, know exactly how contemptuous foreigners are towards american occupation of their lands. I can only imagine the anger is ten-fold in the middle east where foreign occupation is a spiritual affront.

McCain is not that naive. A person with his personnal history knows better than most what to anticipate from our continued occupation of the middle east. The weight of one's decision of interaction with each country should be balanced by the understanding of the philosophy of those who reside there. The middle east has been a hot bed for ages upon ages. He is well aware of this...

 

[acptulsa]

"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

There's nothing misleading about the ad. McCain wants to appeal to more than warhawks now that he thinks he has the nomination, or rather the RNC wants him to appeal to a broader audience. But his true colors are showing.

And now the RNC is trying to strongarm the networks--thus allowing their true colors to show. Good for us.

 

[moostraks]

"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

There's nothing misleading about the ad. McCain wants to appeal to more than warhawks now that he thinks he has the nomination, or rather the RNC wants him to appeal to a broader audience. But his true colors are showing.

And now the RNC is trying to strongarm the networks--thus allowing their true colors to show. Good for us.

They must be trying to appeal to those who aren't diehard republicans. Every delegate meeting we go to they are wasting hours trying to whip us in a frenzy for more war....

 

[acptulsa]

They must be trying to appeal to those who aren't diehard republicans. Every delegate meeting we go to they are wasting hours trying to whip us in a frenzy for more war....

Trying to get us to support the war and trying to convince crossover voters they aren't all that hot for war--all at once. In the end, we represent the majority of this nation. They can deny the handwriting on the wall all they want. Our job is to make sure the rest of the nation doesn't ignore it.

 

[familydog]

"read my lips...no new taxes" If you are reading lips to trust a politicians motives then good luck!!!

I am calling a spade a spade. The only people who believe that we could occupy the middle east without being involved in conflict are those who have lived their lives completely insulated by life in the United States.(And most of those with any common sense can reason what the result would be....) Anyone who has had exposure to foreigners, especially those involved in the military overseas, know exactly how contemptuous foreigners are towards american occupation of their lands. I can only imagine the anger is ten-fold in the middle east where foreign occupation is a spiritual affront.

McCain is not that naive. A person with his personnal history knows better than most what to anticipate from our continued occupation of the middle east. The weight of one's decision of interaction with each country should be balanced by the understanding of the philosophy of those who reside there. The middle east has been a hot bed for ages upon ages. He is well aware of this...

What does George Bush Sr. have to do with John McCain? Maybe we need to heed Ron Paul's advice and treat everybody as an individual with their own ambitions, goals, thoughts, life, etc. Rather than lumping all presidents togather.

Again, all we have to go by is what John McCain has said. He feels that peace can be secured in Iraq soon, when the Iraqis rise up and take charge of their own security like the Germans did, and like the Koreans did. All we would do is have a presence there. That is exaclty what he meant by that 100 years in Iraq statement. Do you have any proof that he meant otherwise? I haven't seen it yet. Since there is no proof otherwise, all we have to go by is what he said. And what he said was not what some people are making it out to be. So, I stand my comment that the ad is misleading. I'm not suggesting that the DNC shouldn't have run it though.

Obviously McCain is naive. Either he is naive or he doesn't know what he is talking about. I'm inclined to think both. He confuses world leaders, Ron Paul showed the world that he would rely on other people to guide him about the economy and he doesn't even know what the President's Working Group on Financial Markets is, he obviously doesn't think we need to worry about paying for our foriegn policy anytime soon, and as a previous poster pointed out, he confuses the difference between Sunni and Shiites. You are helping me make my case when you point out that he doesn't see the importance of knowing much about Iraq's history, culture, people, in order to make a rational decision on what to do there. So, I'm very much inclined to believe he is naive.

 

[freelance]

When you make asinine statements with today's technology, you'd better be willing to live with the consequences.

 

[familydog]

When you make asinine statements with today's technology, you'd better be willing to live with the consequences.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[moostraks]

What does George Bush Sr. have to do with John McCain? Maybe we need to heed Ron Paul's advice and treat everybody as an individual with their own ambitions, goals, thoughts, life, etc. Rather than lumping all presidents togather.

Again, all we have to go by is what John McCain has said. He feels that peace can be secured in Iraq soon, when the Iraqis rise up and take charge of their own security like the Germans did, and like the Koreans did. All we would do is have a presence there. That is exaclty what he meant by that 100 years in Iraq statement. Do you have any proof that he meant otherwise? I haven't seen it yet. Since there is no proof otherwise, all we have to go by is what he said. And what he said was not what some people are making it out to be. So, I stand my comment that the ad is misleading. I'm not suggesting that the DNC shouldn't have run it though.

Obviously McCain is naive. Either he is naive or he doesn't know what he is talking about. I'm inclined to think both. He confuses world leaders, Ron Paul showed the world that he would rely on other people to guide him about the economy and he doesn't even know what the President's Working Group on Financial Markets is, he obviously doesn't think we need to worry about paying for our foriegn policy anytime soon, and as a previous poster pointed out, he confuses the difference between Sunni and Shiites. You are helping me make my case when you point out that he doesn't see the importance of knowing much about Iraq's history, culture, people, in order to make a rational decision on what to do there. So, I'm very much inclined to believe he is naive.

Wow...so much optimism. I don't even know where to begin. Sorry I don't walk through life with rose colored glasses on thinking this guy is just some new kid on the block who doesn't have a clue about middle east politics. Mis-speaking and being completely oblivious to the backlash that would occur with our occupation over there is two totally different matters.

I'm not sure what you mean by me making a case for you, I was pointing out he would be dumb as a post, not naive to make decisions of interaction in foreign policy thinking that the area which has been in turmoil for ages upon ages would ever accept our occupation. Anyone with common sense or empathy can see how that policy would pan out. Not to mention he has the benefit of having faced the wrath of being an occupying military personnel who was detested for interfering in foreign politcs. He knows through personnal experience what the opposing side of an occupied country thinks of americans.

Those who perservere with this policy of war there cannot ever rationally believe we will obtain peace. That is a ruse sold to the sheeple. My quote of Bush Sr. was accurate, and after what I have witnessed personnally these past few months, I doubt there are many who aren't shady that get anywhere in politics. I will use more than what comes out a politicians mouth to ascertain what they might be implying...

 

[moostraks]

Pretty much sums it up.

RNC is calling your name.....They have space for good party folks like you...

 

[sratiug]

"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

There's nothing misleading about the ad. McCain wants to appeal to more than warhawks now that he thinks he has the nomination, or rather the RNC wants him to appeal to a broader audience. But his true colors are showing.

And now the RNC is trying to strongarm the networks--thus allowing their true colors to show. Good for us.

+1000

All we've heard is war and now they want to pretend they didn't say it. Not only did he say it, he's made fun of anybody opposing it. While Howard Dean is defending his add he needs to mention that the GOP is so afraid of stopping the war that they pulled the plug on the Nevada convention to prevent Ron Paul's win.

 

[familydog]

RNC is calling your name.....They have space for good party folks like you...

Lol. Good one

Just because I disagree with you I'm a GOP party hack? Good argument.

 

[moostraks]

Lol. Good one

Just because I disagree with you I'm a GOP party hack? Good argument.

Nah...just because you seem to be so vociferous in defending someone in politics to be taken at face value, you must be stumping for said party of the politician in question. THe only people I take at face value are 2 year old or younger. After that, most have a motive and a modus operandi all requiring more effort than reading their lips...

 

[familydog]

Nah...just because you seem to be so vociferous in defending someone in politics to be taken at face value, you must be stumping for said party of the politician in question. THe only people I take at face value are 2 year old or younger. After that, most have a motive and a modus operandi all requiring more effort than reading their lips...

It's obvious I'm on this forum to promote neo-conservatism and John McCain. I mean come on, look at my post history. You'll see it all right there. I'm a GOP hack. It's kind of like how Ron Paul actually agrees with Rush Limbaugh on everything, and is stumping for him, because Paul defended him once on the drug addiction situation.
/sarcasm off

I've been through this before on this forum. It's nothing new. Some people need to get over themselves I guess.

This is obviously a problem with some in this movement, and I hope it's not with the majority. It's why I ever bother to keep posting on this thread. It reminds me of the early Cold War consensus in this country. Or better yet, the current adminstration. "If you don't agree with everything I think, you are obviously my enemy." I'm curious to see how this attitude plays out. It destroyed plenty of movements before, and it will destory the neocon movement, but hopefully it won't destroy this one. Maybe groupthink is human nature, regardless of one's personal philosophy and politics.