Rather than take over the GOP, I would rather destroy it....

[Origanalist]

Correct. The democrat party is the preferred engine that drives the oppressive state in this country. Just look back at the last 100 years. The republican party is just the other vessel that has been compromised to make sure certain advances are not surrendered.

EXACTLY, The Dems drive us down the road to hell and when the repubs win we just stop for a while until the dems get back in power. Sometimes they don't stop but just slow the pace, they never turn around.

 

[Sematary]

Correct. The democrat party is the preferred engine that drives the oppressive state in this country. Just look back at the last 100 years. The republican party is just the other vessel that has been compromised to make sure certain advances are not surrendered.

Oh PLEASE. In case you've forgotten your history
1. It was a Republican who gave us the "war on drugs" (Thanks to Ronald Reagan for that one)
2. It was a Republican who gave us the "Patriot Act" (Here's a shout out to Bush Jr.)
3. It was a Republican who gave us Iraq 1 AND 2 (George Sr. and George Jr.) which have led to so many of the other things G2 took away
4. Department of Homeland Security (Thanks again George 2)
5. TSA (G2)
6. Not that the Democrats have been any better but I see the Republicans as leading the way (ESPECIALLY with their right wing conservative bs that requires them to determine morality for the entire fucking country).
7. REAL ID (Bush again) - wtf?

 

[AuH20]

EXACTLY, The Dems drive us down the road to hell and when the repubs win we just stop for a while until the dems get back in power. Sometimes they don't stop but just slow the pace, they never turn around.

Yup. The republican party is a glorified friction brake for full-on statism. No reverse gear can be found on the GOP vehicle for good reason.

 

[TheTexan]

Not that I'm really advocating it, but just a thought. Maybe next time around we should work the Democrat angle. We've planted the seeds in the Republican party, but maybe we just need the other piece of the puzzle for people to see the full picture.

 

[AuH20]

Oh PLEASE. In case you've forgotten your history
1. It was a Republican who gave us the "war on drugs" (Thanks to Ronald Reagan for that one)
2. It was a Republican who gave us the "Patriot Act" (Here's a shout out to Bush Jr.)
3. It was a Republican who gave us Iraq 1 AND 2 (George Sr. and George Jr.) which have led to so many of the other things G2 took away
4. Department of Homeland Security (Thanks again George 2)
5. TSA (G2)
6. Not that the Democrats have been any better but I see the Republicans as leading the way (ESPECIALLY with their right wing conservative bs that requires them to determine morality for the entire fucking country).

No, I'm pretty sure you have ignored your history. This country was lost before 1950. Who do you think pushed the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918 which preceded the Patriot Act???? Remember the Japanese internment??? Who's judges preceded over the Interstate Federal takeover with Wickard Fillburn?? Who do you think started plundering the Western Hemisphere in the early part of the century????? The precedent for all the events you outlined started in the early part of the century. We live in the Democratic era of rule and always have. Don't fool yourself. The Bushes would be wonderful democrats in the 1960s but under no circumstances are they traditional conservatives.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

No, I'm pretty sure you have ignored your history. This country was lost before 1950. Who do you think pushed the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918???? Who's judges preceded over the Interstate Federal takeover with Wickard Fillburn?? Who do you think started plundering the Western Hemisphere in the early part of the century????? The precedent for all those events started in the early part of the century. We live in the Democratic era of rule and always have.

The first progressive president was a Republican.

The GOP has never done anything but gleefully partake in the massive growth of the State during its entire existence - starting literally from its inception.

 

[krazy kaju]

That would be nice. I wouldn't mind joining the LP. I just don't see the GOP (or the Democrat Party for that matter) ever going away... they have become too engrained to the state. The two major parties are practically governmental institutions at this point.

 

[acptulsa]

The first progressive president was a Republican.

Thomas Jefferson was not a Republican.

The GOP has never done anything but gleefully partake in the massive growth of the State during its entire existence - starting literally from its inception.

Being a fan of both Harding and Coolidge, I call b.s. Those who refuse to learn from history shouldn't try to teach it. Do you seriously think the Roaring Twenties were a result of government meddling in the economy?

 

[Dogsoldier]

Whatcha think?

 

[Origanalist]

I think it's pointless to argue over which vile, serpent infested (apologies to serpents) party is worse.

Some argue the gop cannot be changed, I think we have to.

 

[acptulsa]

EXACTLY, The Dems drive us down the road to hell and when the repubs win we just stop for a while until the dems get back in power. Sometimes they don't stop but just slow the pace, they never turn around.

Dubya killed habeus corpus. That isn't a stop, and it isn't a slowing down. That's the crime of the century. And there's no one but Republicans to blame.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

The Liberty party?

 

[TheTexan]

The Liberty party?

too close to the "Libertarian" party. we wouldn't want to get confused with those people.

freedom party? patriot party?

 

[acptulsa]

The Peace Party.

 

[TheTexan]

The Peace Party.

works for me

 

[Sematary]

too close to the "Libertarian" party. we wouldn't want to get confused with those people.

freedom party? patriot party?

I was thinking "the people's party" but it has a communist ring to it, so it won't work.

I like the Freedom Party though.

 

[Origanalist]

Dubya killed habeus corpus. That isn't a stop, and it isn't a slowing down. That's the crime of the century. And there's no one but Republicans to blame.

I'm already regreting that post.....

Let me repeat my next one;

I think it's pointless to argue over which vile, serpent infested (apologies to serpents) party is worse.

Some argue the gop cannot be changed, I think we have to.

 

[AuH20]

The Peace Party.

Peace party???? Declaring oneself openly as a peacemaker invites all kinds of trouble. There is some truth to the phrase if you want peace prepare for war. I like the Vigilant Party better because it sends mixed signals and we can actually implement a truly conservative foreign policy.

 

[acptulsa]

Peace party???? Declaring oneself openly a peacemaker invites all kinds of trouble. There is some truth to the phrase if you want peace prepare for war. I like the Vigilant Party better because it sends mixed signals.

The most powerful nation on earth, with a military to rival all the other militaries in the world combined, can afford to invite a little trouble. Yes, the Defense Party would attract more kneejerk types, and be more accurate. But it doesn't have the same ring, nor does it promise what many in the U.S. want most desperately--an end to American Imperi--er, I mean exceptionalism.

Besides, I thought you liked mixed signals.

 

[TheTexan]

The most powerful nation on earth, with a military to rival all the other militaries in the world combined, can afford to invite a little trouble. Yes, the Defense Party would attract more kneejerk types, and be more accurate. But it doesn't have the same ring, nor does it promise what many in the U.S. want most desperately--an end to American Imperi--er, I mean exceptionalism.

Besides, I thought you liked mixed signals.

I also like the "ending the war on us" angle