Rather than take over the GOP, I would rather destroy it....

[opal]

Everythingectomy.. best word ever

 

[ClydeCoulter]

It's a 2 party system because the average joe can't handle more than 2 to choose from. They get what they want. How many sports games have more than 2 teams playing against each other? Popular are they? Us vs them.

 

[acptulsa]

Everythingectomy.. best word ever

Thanks!

 

[acptulsa]

Oh, dammit...I just wrote a big long post, and it was erased by an automatic logout causing me to accidentally cancel posting it. BLAH.

Back button. Copy. Log in. Paste.

Works.

 

[Mini-Me]

It's a 2 party system because the average joe can't handle more than 2 to choose from. They get what they want. How many sports games have more than 2 teams playing against each other? Popular are they? Us vs them.

It's a two-party system because plurality voting incentivizes people to vote for the candidate most likely to beat the one they hate the most, rather than even considering who their actual preference might be...because they're too afraid of their most hated candidate winning. Studies have also demonstrated the obvious here: Winner-takes-all plurality voting inherently devolves into a two-party system, whereas more fair systems of voting (like range voting with proportional delegation) do not.

 

[Mini-Me]

Back button. Copy. Log in. Paste.

Works.

It didn't in my case, because I was actually editing a previous post on the same page before the pop-up window with the cancel button screwed me. Believe me, I tried.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It's a 2 party system because the average joe can't handle more than 2 to choose from. They get what they want. How many sports games have more than 2 teams playing against each other? Popular are they? Us vs them.

Individual sports feature numerous people competing against each other. They're popular in the rest of the world, but a few are popular here-golf, racing, etc.

 

[Veteran Citizen]

And start a new party from the ashes....

True story

Look, you can keep your principles and vote for Johnson, that's the honest way to go.
If you vote for Obama, you are an unprincipled douchebag.

It's pretty clear where we need to go. Don't let your need to oppose the Rububiclans lead you down the path that would actually vote for a communist.

THE ONLY WAY TO PROMOTE THE LEGITIMACY OF THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT IS TO VOTE FOR LIBERTY. Voting for Obama is a surrender.

The liberty movement has more conviction than that. If you plan to vote for Obama, please declare your liberalism and divorce yourself from our movement.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

There may be something to be had from Obama, if he wants to win. Do you think Romney will give us anything toward liberty? Just more wars.
So, I want a discussion on the possibilities of "Obama, come to the table", if he's willing to come to this table. But, it's not free.

 

[fr33]

The libertarian party would not be passing rules to keep us out and they would not have taken our delegates away.

I am tired of being the red-headed step child that keeps trying to be loved only to be spat upon. FUGOP

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

If the liberty movement was actually committed to destroying the GOP, and going third party, I would be obligated to destroy that structure of the liberty movement in order to actually get liberty candidates elected, and that is through the GOP.

I'm not too enthused with a plan that just gives elections to Democrats every year. Not a good plan.

 

[fr33]

I'm not too enthused with a plan that just gives elections to Democrats every year. Not a good plan.

Instead you are part of a plan that gives it to both Republicans and Democrats. And because of that, they are indistinguishable. And probably will continue to be.

 

[Elwar]

If you can't beat them, join them.

Then work from within to beat them.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

If the liberty movement was actually committed to destroying the GOP, and going third party, I would be obligated to destroy that structure of the liberty movement in order to actually get liberty candidates elected, and that is through the GOP.

I'm not too enthused with a plan that just gives elections to Democrats every year. Not a good plan.

What are we willing to do for the sake of what? Liberty? Peace? Where's that coming from.
Do you not understand what powers were garnered today by the RNC? They changed the rules for the # of states for nomination only hours from the nomination process.
Got infiltration? We are not going anywhere with kind of crap from the PTB. Nowhere. Nullification? "The national guard and DHS today surrounded the VA state legistlature building arresting all insurgents".

 

[rockandrollsouls]

So if we can fill the party with people who have Ron's narrative, our problem may be solved. We've been doing that quite successfully the past couple of years. Why stop it?

Me, too. We probably all have by now.

 

[fr33]

The GOP has sent a clear message today that they do not want us. The threat of us not voting Romney has been out in the open for a long time and they made it quite clear with this convention that they do not want our votes.

Some people need to check themselves for addiction to abuse.

The fact is all it takes is for republican bloggers/leaders/radio to tell the neocons to show up and oust you and every Ron Paul delegate and other positions could be replaced in a couple years. Good luck tagging along with a bunch of socialist war mongers. You are nothing but a pimple to them.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Instead you are part of a plan that gives it to both Republicans and Democrats. And because of that, they are indistinguishable. And probably will continue to be.

Democrats are worse than Republicans. I'm not going to change the facts just because people or mad, or because sometimes they cooperate together on bad issues. I prefer Republicans to Democrats, especially with the Paul movement and Tea Party stirring the pot.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

The libertarian party would not be passing rules to keep us out and they would not have taken our delegates away.

I am tired of being the red-headed step child that keeps trying to be loved only to be spat upon. FUGOP

Yeah, but the owner of the Burger King where the LP hold their convention would kick you out at closing time. The liberty movement is bigger and more successful than the LP.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, you know, if we really wanted to help the GOP self-destruct, we should try to take over the Democratic Party. If we did, and that might just be easier to do, we could use it as a club to bludgeon the Republican Party into the ground for good.

Wisdom.

 

[The Gold Standard]

We desperately need a media outlet that will report real news and not distort our message. If we can get that then these other questions will be easy to answer.