Rather than take over the GOP, I would rather destroy it....

[Bastiat's The Law]

Instead you are part of a plan that gives it to both Republicans and Democrats. And because of that, they are indistinguishable. And probably will continue to be.

Ron Paul was pretty distinguishable and a Republican.

 

[fr33]

Democrats are worse than Republicans. I'm not going to change the facts just because people or mad, or because sometimes they cooperate together on bad issues. I prefer Republicans to Democrats, especially with the Paul movement and Tea Party stirring the pot.

I disagree. Democrats at least tell the truth about wanting to tax and spend. Republicans lie doing the exact same thing on the exact same scale.

 

[fr33]

Ron Paul was pretty distinguishable and a Republican.

Look what that got him. Delegates stolen, rules changed to keep us out next time, and drowned out by chants of USA. #winning

**edit:

Oh and another thing that got him. He's not going to be on the general election ballot. That republican party got him jack shit this election.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Democrats are worse than Republicans. I'm not going to change the facts just because people or mad, or because sometimes they cooperate together on bad issues. I prefer Republicans to Democrats, especially with the Paul movement and Tea Party stirring the pot.

Not really. I've found them more receptive to the libertarian position than Republicans. The liberty impulse is historically "leftist"-which is why revolutions against that generally at least purport to be about liberation are typically violent overthrows of established order.

 

[fr33]

Ron Paul gave more to the Republican party than the Republican party ever gave him.

 

[acptulsa]

We desperately need a media outlet that will report real news and not distort our message. If we can get that then these other questions will be easy to answer.

They would indeed.

It is conceivable to start a party that would draw both self-styled Republicans and Democrats. Especially now, as many in the nation clamor for peace and many Democrats--even the ones not yet ready to admit it--are disgusted with the sellout their 'messiah' did to the powers of war. It could be done. But not without having a megaphone, a bully pulpit, a real voice in what passes for American discourse in these troubled times. As it is, we made real gains in all of those primary debates. They could keep Johnson off the stage, but we were too numerous and too vocal, and they couldn't do it to our man. They wanted to. They would have, if they could have. But they couldn't. And all because Ron Paul held his nose and put the capital R next to his name.

That's the reality.

So, we have two choices. We can launch a two-pronged attack on the two party system. We can remove all the baggage that the two major parties carry, and give people of peace a home where there may be struggles to define our economic policies and whatnot, but which does stand firm on the major issue or issues that unite us, like peace and prosperity. But that party MUST be accompanied by a major assault on the information censorship and propaganda--and not just a lot of complaining, but real alternatives that people can use. And I don't just mean wonks, I mean everyone. A new media outlet that isn't too full of itself to entertain, do human interest stories, and whatever will draw viewers. Otherwise, it just won't fly.

Or, we can keep after the GOP, if only because that's the party we already have running so scared they shelve rules they've abided by for fifty years or so.

I don't see a third way. What's more, I really don't see a second way. Because we could never build up another party without a megaphone, and what's more, I think we learned today that we might not be able to take over the GOP without it either.

We need to be the media. Badly.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I guess at this point everyone has heard the arguments either way, so do what you think is the most effective. Post all successes going forward and we'll see what avenue continually pans out. After that, if one avenue is head and shoulders above the rest and folks still want no part of it, that'll speak volumes. I truly want more liberty and I wouldn't beat the war drums for restoring the GOP if I thought there was truly a more effective means.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

But the PEOPLE have shown they want OUR liberty candidates in the GOP primaries and, better yet, in public office.

It doesn't matter what the party wants. Their neoconservative narrative is dying. Let me ask you this. Compared to the (minimum) 7 liberty minded candidates we put in congress this past cycle, what new neocons did they manage to install?

The GOP has sent a clear message today that they do not want us. The threat of us not voting Romney has been out in the open for a long time and they made it quite clear with this convention that they do not want our votes.

Some people need to check themselves for addiction to abuse.

The fact is all it takes is for republican bloggers/leaders/radio to tell the neocons to show up and oust you and every Ron Paul delegate and other positions could be replaced in a couple years. Good luck tagging along with a bunch of socialist war mongers. You are nothing but a pimple to them.

 

[Tyler_Durden]

And start a new party from the ashes....

True story

After Paul's speech on Sunday, I said I want to burn the fuc*ing tent to the ground and rebuild on its ashes....

 

[Mini-Me]

The GOP has sent a clear message today that they do not want us.

No, the GOP's current leadership has sent a clear message that they don't want us..and your plan is to listen to them? LOL.

There's a reason the RNC doesn't want us. We've already taken control of some state parties. We have the numbers to take control of all of them, if people just show up. It will then be a cinch to replace the RNC, and after that, we'll be the ones in charge of the nomination process. The RNC must do whatever they can - degrade us, humiliate us, depress us - to convince us to give up and go third party before we make it that far, because if we keep at this, we will. We're an enormous threat to them both politically and personally, as long as we continue taking over the GOP from the local level up.

Third parties on the other hand are a dead end...on purpose. I didn't write a rational essay on the topic for people to continue letting the RNC emotionally manipulate them into kneejerk emotional reactions. I wrote it to convince people to THINK, because I expect better out of people around here than to be led around by their emotions.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The GOP has sent a clear message today that they do not want us. The threat of us not voting Romney has been out in the open for a long time and they made it quite clear with this convention that they do not want our votes.

Some people need to check themselves for addiction to abuse.

The fact is all it takes is for republican bloggers/leaders/radio to tell the neocons to show up and oust you and every Ron Paul delegate and other positions could be replaced in a couple years. Good luck tagging along with a bunch of socialist war mongers. You are nothing but a pimple to them.

Well stated. It's time for the liberty movement to strike out on our own. We will be no worse off than we will be hanging on in the GOP.

 

[michaelwise]

The Goal: To show the MSM and the GOP who the hell their fucking with.

Remember when Uma Thurman got her revenge in that movie Kill Bill? That kind of revenge, except without the blood.

Registered Republican Ron Paul supporters are pledging millions of their votes to Obama for Revenge on the MSM/GOP/CNN/MSNBC/FOX, et al. I believe their starting a website to register revenge vote pledges.

There's not a cunt hair's worth of difference between Romney and Obama!

This is Carroll Quigley's vision come true;

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.

—Carroll Quigley[1]

“The powers of financial capitalism had (a) far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland; a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.”

- Prof. Carroll Quigley
in Tragedy and Hope

DAVID ROCKEFELLER THANKS MEDIA FOR ITS SILENCE

“… it would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government …” – David Rockefeller in Baden-Baden, Germany 1991, thanking major media for keeping secret for decades the movement of the prophetic one world government.


Thanks for Keeping Secrets, MSM Loves David Rockefeller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XIU5P-j9hRs

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I'm voting for Obama directly. Romney invented Obamacare for crying out loud.

Reason #1: Revenge on Fox/MSM/GOP for not playing fair just like in the McCain/Obama election of 2008, except this time I'm not writing in Ron Paul.

Reason #2: To get a liberty candidate elected in 2016.

Reason #3: To tell Mitt Romney/Wall Street to go fuck themselves.

Reason #4: To let the MSM know they don't get to pick our presidents anymore, the alternative media and internet does now.

Reason #5: So the democrats get to preside over the complete and total economic collapse of the USA so they can re- learn their mathematics lesson, this time the hard way.

I could go on.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

So why not change the rules of the game and vote for the cunt hair's bit of greater evil this time by voting for Obama? There'll still be no difference in federal policy for either party.

You can't win if you don't play. Ron Paul supporters vote religiously. I usually vote against all the incumbents up for re-election on the ballot, except for one person this time around.

This comment from a participant at Zero Hedge.com;

Political implications of the future currency crisis:

FACT IS >>>>> WE ARE GOING OFF A CLIFF WITH EITHER OBAMA OR ROMNEY. It is too late to change course. And Repubs endorsing a gold standard is laughable. We are looking at a currency collapse in the next few years. As soon as we loose our reserve currency status, our rates will spike and we will be TOAST.

Given that a majority of the US public is very uneducated from an economic standpoint, they are very likely going to blame this collapse on the politics and on who is currently in office. I think we can agree that neither Obama nor Romney are going to enact measures that will prevent this collapse.

Therefore, we need to ask our selves the following: Do we want an economic collapse under an “Overt Socialist” i.e. Obama? Or do we want the collapse during the administration of a RINO that supposedly (at least in the minds of the ignorant US public) stands for Free Market Capitalism?

I am scared of a back lash against Free Market Capitalism if the Economic Collapse happens during Romney’s administration. This could very well lead to the government enacting much harsher economic controls and lead to a totalitarianism state.

But if the Economic Collapse happens during the Obama administration, then the US public will more likely see the actual writing on the wall and finally return to Free Markets.

Therefore I will be voting for the man that is the furthest from my point of view. Obama. I think a collapse in his term would be better, he will get the blame and rightly so.

Like I say; A complete and total worldwide economic collapse is a 100% mathematical certainty.

I actually do think a democrat party in power will go easier on us during the economic collapse, because the libs can scream louder than the repubs and the repub sheeple like torture more, even for themselves.


Must see video, really;

Media Military Complex- Same 6 owners for Media & Defense Ron Paul coverage investigative journ pt 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz_bjew709I&feature=plcp



Remember Remember the 5th of November.

When you see what we have planned for the 5th of November with our political paper and pencil strategy, or in this case, computer keyboard strategy, we win the war. We mean on that date a complete and total destruction of the Republican party as we know it today. Here's a hint what will happen; R for Revenge. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

[gjdavis60]

That's been my target audience since I got involved. As the poster above mentioned, the biggest hang-up seems to be that they don't want to join the GOP in its current form. Understandable, since that's what I struggle with.

I had hoped that today's convention would have been more contested and lively, because it helps if people see that big changes are happening within at least one of these currently useless parties. No one wants to join an army of rubber-stamping robots, which is what both parties are.

We need more Ben Swanns to keep saying the same things over and over until it becomes the new 'normal' dialogue. Debate is much too restrained as it stands. It used to be 'crazy' to talk about the Fed, now it's crazy *not* to talk about it.

I think today's convention went brilliantly. The Republican establishment acted like children and made fools of themselves on national TV trying to blot out any mention of Ron. The left media should have a field day with this for at least the next couple of weeks. I don't think Romney has a prayer in the general, which means that the Republican Party will continue to search for direction and leadership. That's us.

 

[michaelwise]

You guys are fucking awesome!

 

[AuH20]

Only a full-fledged nutter would want the GOP destroyed without having a viable option set in place.

 

[Sematary]

You guys are fucking awesome!

We like to think so...

 

[Sematary]

Only a full-fledged nutter would want the GOP destroyed without a viable option set in place.

I am honored by your title.

 

[AuH20]

Democrats are worse than Republicans. I'm not going to change the facts just because people or mad, or because sometimes they cooperate together on bad issues. I prefer Republicans to Democrats, especially with the Paul movement and Tea Party stirring the pot.

Correct. The democrat party is the preferred engine that drives the oppressive state in this country. Just look back at the last 100 years.
Look at the presidents elected as well. All pre-selected moderates and progs. The republican party is just the other vessel that has been compromised to make sure important advances are not surrendered.

 

[Origanalist]

There may be something to be had from Obama, if he wants to win. Do you think Romney will give us anything toward liberty? Just more wars.
So, I want a discussion on the possibilities of "Obama, come to the table", if he's willing to come to this table. But, it's not free.

And you would believe him? Why? How is his word worth any more than Mitt's?

 

[wgadget]

What happens, though, Mini-Me, when the GOP disallows you into their Party because you voted Libertarian? They're great at changing rules on a dime.