Rather than take over the GOP, I would rather destroy it....

[AuH20]

The most powerful nation on earth, with a military to rival all the other militaries in the world combined, can afford to invite a little trouble. Yes, the Defense Party would attract more kneejerk types, and be more accurate. But it doesn't have the same ring, nor does it promise what many in the U.S. want most desperately--an end to American Imperi--er, I mean exceptionalism.

Besides, I thought you liked mixed signals.

But the term peace has been hijacked. It's become emasculated. No peace through strength but rather peace due to lack of resolve and vigilance. Limp wristed peace.

 

[fr33]

But the PEOPLE have shown they want OUR liberty candidates in the GOP primaries and, better yet, in public office.

It doesn't matter what the party wants. Their neoconservative narrative is dying. Let me ask you this. Compared to the (minimum) 7 liberty minded candidates we put in congress this past cycle, what new neocons did they manage to install?

No our liberty candidates are nothing compared to the number of non-liberty candidates and voters the GOP harbors. It is ridiculous to keep saying freedom is poplular when they have made it clear they are completely opposed to things like freedom and sovereignty. Freedom isn't popular. Look around you and quit listening to populist propaganda.

 

[fr33]

they can replace us in no time if they were to organize. the neocons outnumber the liberty lovers. If you didn't learn that already, catch up.

 

[Mini-Me]

What happens, though, Mini-Me, when the GOP disallows you into their Party because you voted Libertarian? They're great at changing rules on a dime.

Hahaha...they'd have to rescind voter anonymity laws first, and I can only imagine the blowback from that.

 

[AuH20]

they can replace us in no time if they were to organize. the neocons outnumber the liberty lovers. If you didn't learn that already, catch up.

Neocons don't outnumber liberty lovers. The problem is that they own the place and drive the agenda. There are actually very few neocons but they are entrenched in key positions of the party.

 

[Mini-Me]

they can replace us in no time if they were to organize. the neocons outnumber the liberty lovers. If you didn't learn that already, catch up.

It's not about the popular vote or even delegates. Taking over the GOP is about local activists taking over the state parties and replacing the RNC, so they can no longer play shenaningans with our delegates in the first place. If you didn't learn that already, catch up. You're trying to argue against a strategy before you even learn what it's about.

Ordinary people don't come to their views through reason and logic. They come to them through social cues, and we're still fringe losers to them...hardly people they'll feel emotionally comfortable listening to. This craving for social acceptance affects everyone to varying degrees on a spectrum, but people like us are on the extreme end of being least affected by it. By replacing the RNC, we'll be making losers out of the neoconservatives and winners out of ourselves, and not only will that allow us to hold fair primaries and fund a LOT more liberty candidates (we absolutely require the resources of a major party to take Congress, btw), but it will also signal a shift in the winds and open more people up to the message. Social proof is what we need to get the majority of Americans to sign on with us...and going third party will promote the exact opposite effect.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Neocons don't outnumber liberty lovers. The problem is that they own the place and drive the agenda. There are actually very few neocons but they are entrenched in key positions of the party.

Uhhhhh, you don't know my sister. And she's not even in a political poisition (yet). She's hard core kill them sumbitches before they kill us all (FOx news on steriods).

 

[fr33]

Correct. The democrat party is the preferred engine that drives the oppressive state in this country. Just look back at the last 100 years.
Look at the presidents elected as well. All pre-selected moderates and progs. The republican party is just the other vessel that has been compromised to make sure important advances are not surrendered.

What a load of crap. Since the the 1930's socialist party both the democrats and republicans have installed that long forgotten platform. Yet it happened during a period of time when so called "conservatives" held power.

It's no wonder that "conservatives" fought for the crown during the revolution. It's no wonder that when you throw a conservative dart at the globe you will likely find a political movement that justifies slavery, bigotry, or some other conspiracy. It's no coincidence that taliban members are considered conservative. Ancient cavemen with no solution other than mysticism.

 

[parocks]

Reagan's stool is 3 types of Conservative (social, military, economic). Romney is a Liberal. I think Romney pissed off conservatives yesterday.

The Republican Party is shoving itself out on the fringe. Today they chopped one leg off of Reagan's 'three-legged stool', and they didn't do themselves a lot of favors with at least one other. Hell, I do believe the Whig Party was in better shape in 1848.

I don't think this discussion is apples and oranges, or Apple and IBM either. I think the only way to take over the G.O.P. is to gut it and rebuild it. The disease runs so deep it pretty much needs an everythingectomy.

When the walls fall, we can storm it. But from what I saw today, I don't think we're going to succeed before then.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Reagan's stool is 3 types of Conservative (social, military, economic). Romney is a Liberal. I think Romney pissed off conservatives yesterday.

What conservitives did he piss off? Did you watch CNN or FOX duing the RNC? Talking heads telling people what to think. Only CSpan (that I know of) showed the whole thing without continous comentary.

 

[acptulsa]

Reagan's stool is 3 types of Conservative (social, military, economic). Romney is a Liberal. I think Romney pissed off conservatives yesterday.

No doubt about that. But the military 'leg' will forgive that warmonger anything. They're nowhere near numerous enough to hand him the election. But they'll forgive him.

 

[fr33]

What happens, though, Mini-Me, when the GOP disallows you into their Party because you voted Libertarian? They're great at changing rules on a dime.

They think they are welcome when it's been proven they are not.

 

[fr33]

Not that I'm really advocating it, but just a thought. Maybe next time around we should work the Democrat angle. We've planted the seeds in the Republican party, but maybe we just need the other piece of the puzzle for people to see the full picture.

ARGGGG do you not have enough bile in your mouth? Are you addicted to liars? Why the fuck can't we for once be who we actually are? libertarians. There is no reason right now to support the Obamas or Romneys.

Why the hell must we be a group suffering to democrats or republicans?

We agree more with libertarians and that's a fact.

 

[parocks]

I'm a Tea Party / Liberty conservative voter. Judging by the amount of angry comments against Romney on other websites, ie. Malkin, Rush, Levin, and The Free Republic, I can see a merging of Ron Paul and Tea Party forces in the near future to secure our US Constitution from destruction by the Romney RINO machine.

Me too, I never really thought there was any great big difference between Ron Paul and Tea Party. I mean, inventing it and everything is part of that.

I think I'll check out FR. Palin would've won if she had run, and Ron Paul would've been the ideal VP. They would've complimented each other so well.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

1. Take over all positions in your state legislative districts
2.Build alliances with others who are pissed off about Mccain and Romney being progressive nominees
3.Meet your state representatives from your district and let them know that your presence is there and that you really won't back down from principles (They know we have great motivation to support or come against their campaigns in election cycles)
4. Change the rules at the state level by becoming state GOP committee members
5.Bring fair and balanced rules and platform to the state GOP
6.in 2016 remove all RNC committee members by electing Ron Paul voters into the RNC
7.Our Ron Paul RNC members can then remove the Romney RNC(his lawyers mainly) mandated rules that allow the nominee to dictate who can be a delegate

 

[TheTexan]

ARGGGG do you not have enough bile in your mouth? Are you addicted to liars? Why the fuck can't we for once be who we actually are? libertarians. There is no reason right now to support the Obamas or Romneys.

Why the hell must we be a group suffering to democrats or republicans?

We agree more with libertarians and that's a fact.

Shrug. The way I see it, is our 2007 effort inspired the Tea Party. Yes, the vast majority of the TP is a crock of shit. Yes, they drop words like 'constitution' from their mouth, like shit from ass. But it's still kinda nifty, from an intellectual point of view, that we did that.

I also believe that there has to be at least 5 or 6 of them that actually mean what they say. Maybe 7.

If we could do the same thing for the Democrat party, and create a Democrat-colored Tea Party, it would simply be hilarious to watch both parties argue about how it's so important to follow the constitution... and then neither party does it.

The cognitive dissonance would reach astronomical levels. I think some heads would explode.

 

[AuH20]

Uhhhhh, you don't know my sister. And she's not even in a political poisition (yet). She's hard core kill them sumbitches before they kill us all (FOx news on steriods).

But she's not intellectually driven like a Neoconservative. Most people have no idea about the core philosophy of neoconservatism. I suspect your sister is attracted to the vengeance aspect, which I can understand, as opposed to this grand master plan in which the U.S. is utilized as the prime vehicle to convert the far reaches of the world into a highly regimented cash register.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Quitting our activism within the GOP is exactly what the current RNC wants. It's why they did what they did today: Emotional manipulation to depress us and make us shrink away and splinter off into ineffective third parties...because they know that if we stay in this and take over the GOP state parties, they're screwed. They simply do not have the same numbers of people willing to get actively involved in local party politics that we do, and that is why they fear us and desperately try to push us away. Don't fall for it.

Yep

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm for destroying it. You folks have no clue. After all the shit. From blatant ousting of FLGOP Paulians (elected officials mind you), to all sorts of shenanigans for the last 30+ years...You'd have to be a masochist to remain attached to the scum of the Earth. It's like trying to infiltrate the Smoking Man group in the X-Files. No. You shed light to the truth and destroy them. So, my goal, is to defeat every GOP politician I can, with exception to the actual liberty-types.

Of course your mileage may vary depending on your state. FLGOP is among the most corrupt. Makes Romney look like child's play.

 

[parocks]

Quitting our activism within the GOP is exactly what the current RNC wants. It's why they did what they did today: Emotional manipulation to depress us and make us shrink away and splinter off into ineffective third parties...because they know that if we stay in this and take over the GOP state parties, they're screwed. They simply do not have the same numbers of people willing to get actively involved in local party politics that we do, and that is why they fear us and desperately try to push us away. Don't fall for it.

yeah