Rand Paul: Trump is a "Chameleon"

He can live in la la land after Donald Trump picked up the baton that he wanted no part of. So be it. Now Trump is atop the polls with that baton. A huge miscalculation I might add.

Let's say you're right. Let's say it's over for Rand (ridiculous...there's 6 months to go before Iowa, but let's play this silly game.)

Why in the world would you be cheering over this? Look, everyone knows I wish Rand was more like his father than he is....do you think Donald Trump moves closer to Ron or further away? Duh!

Does that matter to you anymore, or has this become just a game?

Keep in mind that AuH20 is the same guy who was disappointed because someone else (Adam Kokesh) didn't do what he is too much of a big-talking coward to do himself (namely, go out in a "glorious" cloud of gory red mist in some kind of violent confrontation with the police).

Question for AuH20:

What do you think Donald Trump can do to fix the mess we're in? What's his plan?

Plan? Ain't nobody got time for that!

AuH20 fancies himself to be a post-apocalyptic "Mr. Civilization Officer" (his words) who is going to pick up the pieces after the Great Fall and put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

There isn't a person alive that can fix the mess we're in. The vines are too thick. The roots are too deeply entrenched. This game of politics is about building a like-minded consensus post-collapse. Most of the people aren't savable or refuse to save themselves. Trump is reaching out to those that smell the smoke. For that I thank him, regardless of his inner motivations.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/21/ame...e_a_testy_exchange_about_state_of_the_nation/

“America is a hellhole, and we’re going down fast”

CaptUSA summed this up perfectly:

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The only difference is that AuH20 wants someone else to set things on fire for him.

(Well ... that, and the fact that the Joker is far more coherent, thought-provoking and charming than AuH20 is ...)
 
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According to this study, the average immigrant consumes $2200 in benefits, while the average native consumes $3800. Immigrants are poorer than natives, and so they do consume more of certain programs tailored to the poor, but the vast majority of social spending is directed at the elderly, and immigrants are on average younger than natives.

th elderly are getting back what they put into the system in theory.. the illegals are just taking... whether from govt or jobs.
 
Keep in mind that AuH20 is the same guy who was disappointed because someone else (Adam Kokesh) didn't do what he is too much of a big-talking coward to do himself (namely, go out in a "glorious" cloud of gory red mist in some kind of violent confrontation with the police).



Plan? Ain't nobody got time for that!

AuH20 fancies himself to be a post-apocalyptic "Mr. Civilization Officer" (his words) who is going to pick up the pieces after the Great Fall and put Humpty Dumpty back together again.



CaptUSA summed this up perfectly:



The only difference is that AuH20 wants someone else to set things on fire for him.

(Well ... that, and the fact that the Joker is far more coherent, thought-provoking and charming than AuH20 is ...)


And these excerpts are supposed to embarrass me?

To be precise, Adam got thrown around like a rag doll when his hated arch enemy burst through his doors. Not exactly what I would call 'following through on your life's work.' Apparently, Adam does enjoy the comfort of 'the man' much more than he professed.

In regard to the second charge, I plead guilty. I didn't create man, but simply wish to be left alone. Typically, liberty is maximized within civilized communities where you aren't outrunning cannibals or rapists.

To the third point, I simply do not dress as well as the joker nor I maintain such a lovely complexion. But he was indeed 'ahead of the curve' as they like to say. Even with the advent of smart phones and the wonders of gene therapy, man is a couple meals away from slinking back into the dark ages.
 
According to this study, the average immigrant consumes $2200 in benefits, while the average native consumes $3800. Immigrants are poorer than natives, and so they do consume more of certain programs tailored to the poor, but the vast majority of social spending is directed at the elderly, and immigrants are on average younger than natives.

Interesting with the imbalance in aged individuals. Is that factoring in contributions?
 
And these excerpts are supposed to embarrass me?

No. Quite the opposite, in fact - they merely provide further illustration of your incapacity for embarassment.

To be precise, Adam got thrown around like a rag doll when his hated arch enemy burst through his doors. Not exactly what I would call 'following through on your life's work.' Apparently, Adam does enjoy the comfort of 'the man' much more than he professed.

Of course you wouldn't call it that. You prefer to "enjoy the comfort" of safely "wish[ing] to be left alone" while grousing about how someone else (such as Adam) isn't adequately sating your appetite for vicarious violence.

In regard to the second charge, I plead guilty. I didn't create man, but simply wish to be left alone. Typically, liberty is maximized within civilized communities where you aren't outrunning cannibals or rapists.

Will your "Mr. Civilization Officer" costume come with any kind of merit badges or chest salad?

("I got this one for single-handedly rescuing a community from a roving gang of rapists. And this one here is for when I burned out that colony of cannibals ...")

To the third point, I simply do not dress as well as the joker nor I maintain such a lovely complexion. But he was indeed 'ahead of the curve' as they like to say. Even with the advent of smart phones and the wonders of gene therapy, man is a couple meals away from slinking back into the dark ages.

Your unabashed avidity for such apocalyptic nihilism says far more about you than it does about anyone who has gone without a couple of meals.

I guess I can sort of understand it though. I mean, if all I had to go on were fantasies about being "Mr. Civilization Officer" in the post-apocalypse, I guess I might end up rooting for a blowhard like Donald Trump as some kind of harbinger of systemic collapse, too ...
 
Keep in mind that AuH20 is the same guy who was disappointed because someone else (Adam Kokesh) didn't do what he is too much of a big-talking coward to do himself (namely, go out in a "glorious" cloud of gory red mist in some kind of violent confrontation with the police).



Plan? Ain't nobody got time for that!

AuH20 fancies himself to be a post-apocalyptic "Mr. Civilization Officer" (his words) who is going to pick up the pieces after the Great Fall and put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

I don't honestly think any of our political efforts will pan out. I do not believe they are supposed to. The beast will win, and there will be some form of post apocalyptic hell in the future. However, for me this is not a reason to stop working for a peaceful political solution, but only to try 3 times harder. You see, the Lord said "occupy till I come" and the guy who buried his talent was cast out. We work not because we think we will win, but for righteousness sake.

More practically, I have to try even harder to stop it, because when that day comes and I have to set the sights of my rifle on some other mother's son, how can I in good conscience pull that trigger unless I had done, literally everything in my power to stop and prevent it?

I don't want to live in some kind of mash-up between The Stand and Mad Max. Even if I believe it to be inevitable I don't egg it on, I work my fingernails to blood and bone to stop it even though I know it can't be stopped.

Some kid, desperate for food, of which you have almost none, clearly willing to kill, you raise up your rifle and slowly squeeze the trigger. "did I encourage this? Did I want this to happen? This is just some guy desperate for food. There but by the grace of God go I...." hesitate, and die. Or don't hesitate, and lose your soul.

See? I think yes, it's foreordained. What is coming is the crucible in which all will be tested. The more we fight to stop it, inevitability notwithstanding, the more souls we will save alive at the end. So I try, hard, and I try whatever I think will actually work, and I fight. I may know that I will never actually save the country, but I will have changed the battlefield enough that more people will live.

Can a military commander go into a battle knowing he will lose, but give it his everything because it will accomplish some larger strategic victory? WHy, yes, I think that it relatively common in war. Politics is just bloodless war. I think that because of the nature of politics a pyrrhic victory is relatively painless, so long as you are not destroyed.

And now, that we are on the verge of some kind of apocalypse or another from 100 directions, who cares if I am politically destroyed?

ANyway, I always want to move faster than the world does.

The only difference is that AuH20 wants someone else to set things on fire for him.

Trump is so full of hot air and empty fluff with no substance, if you wrote down and read his debate responses you would be WTF? If someone has formerly been attendant to principle, but has now abandoned that for bluster, I will assume that they have stopped being constructive and gone thoroughly destructive. It's more a matter of 'what' than who. It could be any charismatic idiot besides Trump there. He has them mesmerised over bluster alone.

That is not healthy.

(Well ... that, and the fact that the Joker is far more coherent, thought-provoking and charming than AuH20 is ...)

Trump is a retrovirus that attacks intellect. I am still researching how exactly it is transmitted. I attribute most of what is going on now to complete dysfunction. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be stopped.

These are Ron Paul's Forums. There is a subset Rand Paul Forums. We allow in our own forums campaigns against our own candidate and the promotion of other candidates.

Here's what I think. Make a semi-hidden subforum outside of Rand's Forums and make an area called "Rand Paul Yes or No?" Banish everything critical of Rand into the yes or no forums and give everyone access who has their posts sent to the same. In the Rand Yes or No subforums, another subforum one each for the promotion of other candidates.
 
It's ironic to say the least that the people who are claiming Trump as some product of Rands mishandling of situations like not being more bold or principled in regards to opposing immigration are not in the end for a more open border themselves. You argue that unlimited immigration is bad because we cannot have an open border in a welfare state, which to me sounds like a compromise to the more libertarian end of allowing free movement with respect to property rights. We must limit immigration because of the existence of a welfare state, and because in your mind limiting immigration is a more feasible alternative to an abolishment of the welfare state - the main cause of the problem -which also assumes, in an unwarranted fashion, that more immigrants will necessarily equal to a larger cost on taxpayers.
 
It's ironic to say the least that the people who are claiming Trump as some product of Rands mishandling of situations like not being more bold or principled in regards to opposing immigration are not in the end for a more open border themselves. You argue that unlimited immigration is bad because we cannot have an open border in a welfare state, which to me sounds like a compromise to the more libertarian end of allowing free movement with respect to property rights. We must limit immigration because of the existence of a welfare state, and because in your mind limiting immigration is a more feasible alternative to an abolishment of the welfare state - the main cause of the problem -which also assumes, in an unwarranted fashion, that more immigrants will necessarily equal to a larger cost on taxpayers.

THIS. As far as I heard, Trump seems to want to keep welfare, free healthcare, etc. exactly the same. This guy has the itch to redistribute wealth. Rand would have NEVER gotten the coverage trump gets. Trump's record is abysmal! These supporters don't give a damn about the Bill of Rights. If they did, they wouldn't take his positions on the NSA. His position on eminent domain is bad enough on its own.
 
I don't like Trump, but when you're a billionaire trying to run a populist campaign, your hands are tied when it comes to welfare issues. I have no clue what he'd do if he actually were President, but I do doubt it'd be good.
 
Rand, why did you give him the opportunity to play the chameleon? Eh? Sounds like crying over spilled milk. You left a void that the Donald filled.

How did Rand just "give him the opportunity?" You really think if Rand said all the obnoxious things that Trump is saying that the media would be covering him any different? I don't. And he still would have been given 1 question in the first 80 minutes of the debate.

I do like it that Rand is going on the attack against Trump as now is perfect timing. Rand has solid solutions/proposals whereas Trump is an empty suit. I sure hope Rand is on the debate stage next month and whether they ask him or not, gets in his tax plan in front of 24 million viewers.
 
He can live in la la land after Donald Trump picked up the baton that he wanted no part of. So be it. Now Trump is atop the polls with that baton. A huge miscalculation I might add.

I disagree, this is a very long campaign and I think Rand as long as he keeps following through with it is hitting him at just the right time. If Rand is successful in attacking Trump he's got a huge opportunity in peeling away Trump's support and adding it to his own.
 
Pointing out missed opportunity gets you branded as butthurt ? I am going to roll my eyes. :rolleyes:

There's no way even if Rand said the same shit that Trump has been saying on immigration or anything else for that matter that he gets the kind of publicity that Trump has been getting. However if Rand is successful at getting into a verbal war with Trump I think he has a much better chance at getting back into the media and getting his message out.
 
Almost all politicians change colors based on where most donors with money bags are.

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Rand going after Obama instead of Trump would be better strategy. Trump got popular by calling Obama incompetent, stupid.
 
Donald Trump speaks up against the globalists, while Rand plays footsies with Silicon Valley and the Chamber of Commerce. The proof is in the pudding.

All Bullshit! Trump is a flipping globalist and Rand is absolutely correct calling him a chameleon. This man has flipped and flopped as much or more than Romney and yet, you really think you can believe him with that rhetoric of his? Like Bush in 2000, saying he didn't want to police the world, and get involved in nation building, but we know what happened. You really think if Trump was such an "outsider" that he'd be getting all this media attention? How quickly have we forgot Ron Paul. We know how they treat the REAL people that are opposed to them and Rand got a taste of it in the debate with his 1 question in 80 minutes while Donald had what 6 or 7 questions thrown his way? If Trump was real and Rand is playing footsee I am 100% positive it would have been Trump getting 1 question during the first hour with Rand getting the 6 or 7. Seriously, think about it.
 
If Rand's team ran the right campaign, there would be no Donald Trump. There would have been no oxygen to sustain the flame. Why did Donald Trump have to be the guy to bring front and the center the rampant problem of illegal immigration and unfair trade deals? Wasn't that supposed to be YOUR job as the representative for the disenfranchised?

Every time he tested the waters before for a campaign, Ron was hogging all the room and the room wasn't big enough to win with yet, so Trump passed.
 
All Bullshit! Trump is a flipping globalist and Rand is absolutely correct calling him a chameleon.

That is as true as saying sky is blue.
Strategy wise, won't Rand calling Obama "chameleon" be better for him if goal is to win gop primary?

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Yes, but we need to do it in a way where Rand can pick a large chunk of his voters. If Rand goes to the media and says the things he did at his campaign event, I think there's a good chance he can pick them off that way. My feeling is sooner or later when things get real/closer to the election people will come to their senses. But then again I could be giving my fellow man to much credit. At any rate, if it's not Rand it'll be the Bush faction that will take Trump down. In the long run it could help us having Trump involved because his obnoxious style makes Rand, hell everyone look more mainstream. Rand just has to show that he's the one candidate that will do what he says he'll do because I would like to think that most of Trumps support would favor a guy like Rand over the other candidates.
 
Somebody call LE, FSP-Rebel, Bastiat's The Law, etc......this Trump thing was just a conspiracy to see if y'all could get me to fight fiercely on behalf of Rand, wasn't it? Congratulations, I'm in. :)

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