Rand Paul: Trump is a "Chameleon"

[rich34]

I don't know about that. Trump really crossed the line with what he said about Megyn Kelly. This might be the best time to attack him.

Absolutely, also given his smart ass mouth that everyone got to see, and his unwillingness to not commit to the eventual nominee. Although on that point I can't blame him much, but to the traditional average republican voter this is a big NO NO. I'd think this is absolutely the very best time to go on the attack.

 

[rich34]

ummmm you have noticed the backlash trump has received just for bringing up the topic in such a dramatic fashion. I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE AND SAY TRUMP WANTS THE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS ENFORCED? call me silly. ron unfortunately sounds pro immigration at times.. and rand says secure the border.. great. who is the media attacking most on this issue?

I'll go out on a limb and say Trump has his poker face on and playing many for a fool. Look at the man's record/statements in the past. I personally think Trump picked a hot button issue that he knew would attract him a lot of support from the one issue voting crowd. Don't be suprised when team Bush digs up some dirt and come to find out Donald had Illegals building his casinoes and cutting/or doing his lawn work. Then what is the one issue voting crowd going to do when their hero gets exposed as a fraud?

 

[rich34]

you are 100% right.... rand's campaign is doing what ron's did and thats playing nice nice with the gop and hoping they might give us a crumb after they elect some screwball like mccain or romney. the gop in 2012 at the local level were a bunch of wolves who hate the constitution and froth for trotskyites. and the soft leadership at campaign HQ's cowered anytime things got a little confrontational. i'm glad trump raised his hand and mentioned leverage... thats the only thing devils understand.

Funny I don't ever recall Ron "playing nice" with the GOP. Rand has tried to play nice somewhat, but still sticks to his principles where it matters, voting record. Ron tried twice with trying to win the nomination his way and unfortuneatly it failed. Rand is trying a different approach, nothing wrong with that so long as he keeps voting/fighting for the right cause. Trump will be exposed as a fraud sooner or later.

 

[rich34]

That is as true as saying sky is blue.
Strategy wise, won't Rand calling Obama "chameleon" be better for him if goal is to win gop primary?

Perhaps, but Rand has attacked Obama a lot, as well as Clinton. That still don't change the fact that the media will never cover Rand the way it is doing Trump, regardless of what he says. Aside from the coverage, this is a republican primary and if Rand indeed wants to win, he's going to have to mix it up with Trump, Bush, Cruz etc... if he wants to beat them in the primary. I don't think going after Obama is going to help him win any more votes per say when hell they all do that. But Rand exposing some of these candidates as fraud should have a bigger impact in winning over primary voters.

 

[wizardwatson]

Somebody call LE, FSP-Rebel, Bastiat's The Law, etc......this Trump thing was just a conspiracy to see if y'all could get me to fight fiercely on behalf of Rand, wasn't it? Congratulations, I'm in.

LOL, missed this until someone else quoted later in thread.

I feel pretty much the same way. I've also been mad at Rand. I've even posted my Limberbutt McCubbins 2016 support. And Limberbutt is most definitely a a protest vote but I don't expect Limberbutt will actually win.

But as you say Donald doesn't take us closer to Ron. If we're mad at Rand we don't protest by going legitimately further away from Ron because the only reason to fault Rand would be for going away from Ron. I don't know why that's hard for people to understand.

 

[acptulsa]

But as you say Donald doesn't take us closer to Ron. If we're mad at Rand we don't protest by going legitimately further away from Ron because the only reason to fault Rand would be for going away from Ron. I don't know why that's hard for people to understand.

That isn't hard for people to understand.

Trolls go for kneejerk reactions. They don't care if they make sense or not, as long as they get that kneejerk reaction.

 

[Demigod]

He is doing the same thing Ron did during the debates ( going against everyone except Romney ) instead of fighting Donald and Christie he should be fighting against Bush,Rubio and Walker.He should focus against Bush all the time ,going after Trump the most you can gain is mutual destruction.

 

[timosman]

He is doing the same thing Ron did during the debates ( going against everyone except Romney ) instead of fighting Donald and Christie he should be fighting against Bush,Rubio and Walker.He should focus against Bush all the time ,going after Trump the most you can gain is mutual destruction.

Targeting Trump instead of the other guys make him look like a neocon puppet. Are we being fucked with ?

 

[JK/SEA]

anyone that thinks Trump was talking about her period has a dirty mind.

 

[dude58677]

Rand not attacking Trump is like Ron not attacking Romney and look what happened. People took it as an endorsement of Romney. Yes Rand should attack Trump and it is about time!

 

[David Sadler]

That depends. Is this 1980? 1984?

Reagan Democrats refers to Dems who supported Reagan in 1980/1984. But those staunch, hard-line, lifelong blue collar Democrats were converted to the Republican party since then. (I know this because I canvassed in my neighborhood in 1980 and 1984, and helped convert some of these people who had never voted for anyone other than a Democrat in their lives. Now you can't FIND a Democrat in my district.) Reagan "Democrats" are no longer Democrats.

Hopefully, they are Independents. Otherwise, they are Republicans and still support the globalist agenda also supported by the Democrats.

 

[Wilf]

Hopefully, they are Independents. Otherwise, they are Republicans and still support the globalist agenda also supported by the Democrats.

Trump does horrendeous amoung independents.How do you think that he is going to win an election.

 

[David Sadler]

It's ironic to say the least that the people who are claiming Trump as some product of Rands mishandling of situations like not being more bold or principled in regards to opposing immigration are not in the end for a more open border themselves. You argue that unlimited immigration is bad because we cannot have an open border in a welfare state, which to me sounds like a compromise to the more libertarian end of allowing free movement with respect to property rights. We must limit immigration because of the existence of a welfare state, and because in your mind limiting immigration is a more feasible alternative to an abolishment of the welfare state - the main cause of the problem -which also assumes, in an unwarranted fashion, that more immigrants will necessarily equal to a larger cost on taxpayers.

No, we must limit and control immigration for the same reason you control who comes into your house and for the same reason you close your doors and windows when you turn the heater or air conditioner on. You can't feed or heat your neighborhood and America can't feed or heat the world.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Hopefully, they are Independents. Otherwise, they are Republicans and still support the globalist agenda also supported by the Democrats.

This. All of the ones I know anyway....love them some Bush/Cheney.

 

[William Tell]

No, we must limit and control immigration for the same reason you control who comes into your house and for the same reason you close your doors and windows when you turn the heater or air conditioner on. You can't feed or heat your neighborhood and America can't feed or heat the world.

Good thing Trump is tough on immigration! He will stand up to the liberals!

Real estate mogul Donald Trump recently reflected on former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's loss, telling Newsmax that the candidate failed to resonate among certain demographics in part because of his "maniacal" immigration policy.


"He had a crazy policy of self-deportation, which was maniacal," Trump said. "It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote ... He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country."


Romney first unveiled the "self-deportation" idea in a debate in January, explaining that he supported strict standards on employment that he claimed would force undocumented immigrants to return to their home countries.


Trump accused Democrats of not having anything meaningful to offer in the field of immigration policy, but said that the party benefited from at least appearing to have the interests of immigrants in mind.


"The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants," Trump told Newsmax. "But what they did have going for them is they weren't mean-spirited about it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/donald-trump-mitt-romney-immigration_n_2193252.html

 

[David Sadler]

Trump does horrendeous amoung independents.How do you think that he is going to win an election.

By getting the most votes? The fall-back is the deconstruction of the major parties and MSM in the eyes of the American people -- another wake up call. The global political awakening is in progress. Critical mass is being approached.

 

[Sola_Fide]

By getting the most votes? The fall-back is the deconstruction of the major parties and MSM in the eyes of the American people -- another wake up call. The global political awakening is in progress. Critical mass is being approached.

What did Ross Perot do to the deconstruction of the major parties?

 

[David Sadler]

What did Ross Perot do to the deconstruction of the major parties?

Perot threw gas on the awakening that was already occurring in the GOP among the more independent liberty-minded. They had taken notice over decades of the abandonment by the GOP of its principles (Reagan's Big Tent didn't help) and of the growth of government scale, scope, authority, cost and the destruction of the constitutional republic with GOP assistance. Perot drew many of these GOP grassroots to his 1992 campaign. Who won that election? How has the GOP fared since? How do the prospects look now?

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Perhaps, but Rand has attacked Obama a lot, as well as Clinton. That still don't change the fact that the media will never cover Rand the way it is doing Trump, regardless of what he says. Aside from the coverage, this is a republican primary and if Rand indeed wants to win, he's going to have to mix it up with Trump, Bush, Cruz etc... if he wants to beat them in the primary. I don't think going after Obama is going to help him win any more votes per say when hell they all do that. But Rand exposing some of these candidates as fraud should have a bigger impact in winning over primary voters.

Not in a harsh blunt way the way Trump attacked Obama.

Trump has had some good sense on one of the most important issues of this our times:

On human blood, Trump comment was 100% right

Rand will gain a lot by shifting his attack focus to Obama,Jeb and other overt/covert neoconas within GOP/Dem parties. There is a very crowded line of people attacking Trump for his verbal sprays, Rand gains nothing and risks losing some Trump supporters if he steps out of race later on.

 

[BenMuldowney]

Targeting Trump instead of the other guys make him look like a neocon puppet. Are we being fucked with ?

trump just fired 2 judas goat advisors... i suggest rand do the same. yes.. someone has sold rand a very destructive strategy ... i just dont get it.