Rand Paul: Trump is a "Chameleon"

[jj-]

He said "blood coming out of her wherever." It was obvious what he was talking about.

nose. I don't get how that crosses any line, lol.

 

[Jackie Moon]

Everyone needs to share and retweet these:

https://www.facebook.com/RandPaul/posts/10153262433926107

We have a guy who has been pro-choice before he was pro-life. This is a guy who was liberal before he was conservative. This is a guy who was a Democrat before he was a Republican before he was a Democrat before he was an independent before he was back to being a Republican.

Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton and Donald Trump will give us Hillary.

I have no idea if he’s conservative and we are kidding ourselves to even consider someone who is such a chameleon that he’s been on every side of every issue. Wake up America. Wake up Republicans!

https://www.facebook.com/RandPaul/posts/10153262433926107

Somebody call LE, FSP-Rebel, Bastiat's The Law, etc......this Trump thing was just a conspiracy to see if y'all could get me to fight fiercely on behalf of Rand, wasn't it? Congratulations, I'm in.

LOL

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The regulatory state has banned the law of economics in some instances.

The price of a unit of labor equals its discounted marginal revenue product, which means that the value of a worker's product is greater than his salary (he is producing more than he's consuming). For every such worker added to the population, at least one member of the existing population must benefit (whoever receives that surplus value).

Now, in practice, everyone is consuming welfare to some extent, which has to be subtracted from the surplus value that their labor produces, and many jobs are unproductive, because the employing firm is viable only through government subsidies/protection (in which case the worker is consuming more than he's producing). These factors apply, to some extent, to both native and immigrant workers.

However:

(1) immigrants consume less welfare per capita than natives,
(2) immigrants are more likely to be employed than natives,
and (3) there's no reason to suppose that immigrants are more likely to end up in unproductive jobs than natives*

Conclusion: immigrants are more likely to be productive than natives.

*if anything, I would expect the opposite to be true, since government jobs (the largest single class of unproductive jobs) are dominated by natives

 

[cajuncocoa]

There isn't a person alive that can fix the mess we're in. The vines are too thick. The roots are too deeply entrenched. This game of politics is about building a like-minded consensus post-collapse. Most of the people aren't savable or refuse to save themselves. Trump is reaching out to those that smell the smoke. For that I thank him, regardless of his inner motivations.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/21/ame...e_a_testy_exchange_about_state_of_the_nation/

“America is a hellhole, and we’re going down fast”

I disagree.

If we had a president who followed constitutional principles, began eliminating government agencies that are unconstitutional, started cutting budgets, demanded an audit of the Federal Reserve (and spoke of ending it eventually), began closing all those military bases around the world (remember Ron talking about that?), and refused to sign legislation that is unconstitutional....if we had a president who would do all of that..... I think you would see a HUGE change.

And all it takes is following the Constitution. As Ron said.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This made me smile.

 

[cajuncocoa]

He wants Rush Limbaugh to give him permission to like Rand, and he's absolutely convinced it's Rand's fault that Rush has not done so.

Glenn Beck isn't enough anymore? LOL

 

[cajuncocoa]

The topic of my post and the part I quoted: Whether Reagan Democrats exist. Please comment on topic. I didn't read even half of your post.

That depends. Is this 1980? 1984?

Reagan Democrats refers to Dems who supported Reagan in 1980/1984. But those staunch, hard-line, lifelong blue collar Democrats were converted to the Republican party since then. (I know this because I canvassed in my neighborhood in 1980 and 1984, and helped convert some of these people who had never voted for anyone other than a Democrat in their lives. Now you can't FIND a Democrat in my district.) Reagan "Democrats" are no longer Democrats.

 

[jj-]

Is this 1980? 1984?

Pretty disappointed. Like this forum, the quality of your posts has come down. I guess aging does have its drawbacks.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I'm sure there are some Democrats who are against illegal immigration because they believe it drives down wages. As I said, Rand should be the best choice for those people, as he's been a staunch advocate of securing our nation's borders.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Democrats-Against-Amnesty/152334804799707

 

[cajuncocoa]

Pretty disappointed, like this forum, the quality of your posts has come down. I guess aging does have its drawbacks.

Explain yourself. I answered your question. I think you're only disappointed in the "quality of my posts" because I won't fall for Trump.

 

[AuH20]

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2006/04/free_trade_equa_1.html From an actual economist not someone named Pat Buchanan or Donald Trump:

"There is an isomorphism between immigration, outsourcing, and free trade in general. In each case, overall economic efficiency is increased, due to the law of comparative advantage. There are distributional effects, to be sure, but no nation has been able to demonstrate an ability to use trade restrictions of any sort to reduce overall poverty.

Immigration, like all other forms of trade, is positive-sum game. All forms of trade restrictions hurt the economy.

But why let a little economics get in the way of a folk-Marxist story?"

I counter with the words of then acting Federal Reserve Chairman Allan Greenspan in February of 2000.

Imbalances in the labor market perhaps may have even more serious implications for potential inflation pressures. While the pool of officially unemployed and those otherwise willing to work may continue to shrink, as it has persistently over the past seven years, there is an effective limit to new hiring, unless immigration is uncapped. At some point in the continuous reduction in the number of available workers willing to take jobs, short of the repeal of the law of supply and demand, wage increases must rise above even impressive gains in productivity…In short, unless we are able to indefinitely increase the rate of capital flows into the United States to finance rising net imports or continuously augment immigration quotas, overall demand for goods and services cannot chronically exceed the underlying growth rate of supply.[10]

Note the emphasis placed on 'reducing inflationary pressures.' This is one big rigged game that we are involved with that eschews conventional economics. The central bank has embarked on a deadly path of loose monetary policy and new workers must be brought in to counter the effects of these policies. Unfortunately, these policies benefit very few, while the residual costs are passed on to the consumer and taxpayer.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I don't know about that. Trump really crossed the line with what he said about Megyn Kelly. This might be the best time to attack him.

Of all things to worry about re: Donald Trump, that doesn't cross my radar. Political Barbie deserved some of his ire.

 

[BenMuldowney]

I've yet to see any Trumpster even define what Trump's immigration policies are, or how they differ from Rand's.

It's all fluff and attitude, zero substance: from either candidate or fanboys.

ummmm you have noticed the backlash trump has received just for bringing up the topic in such a dramatic fashion. I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE AND SAY TRUMP WANTS THE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS ENFORCED? call me silly. ron unfortunately sounds pro immigration at times.. and rand says secure the border.. great. who is the media attacking most on this issue?

 

[BenMuldowney]

If Rand's team ran the right campaign, there would be no Donald Trump. There would have been no oxygen to sustain the flame. Why did Donald Trump have to be the guy to bring front and the center the rampant problem of illegal immigration and unfair trade deals? Wasn't that supposed to be YOUR job as the representative for the disenfranchised?

you are 100% right.... rand's campaign is doing what ron's did and thats playing nice nice with the gop and hoping they might give us a crumb after they elect some screwball like mccain or romney. the gop in 2012 at the local level were a bunch of wolves who hate the constitution and froth for trotskyites. and the soft leadership at campaign HQ's cowered anytime things got a little confrontational. i'm glad trump raised his hand and mentioned leverage... thats the only thing devils understand.

 

[AuH20]

The price of a unit of labor equals its discounted marginal revenue product, which means that the value of a worker's product is greater than his salary (he is producing more than he's consuming). For every such worker added to the population, at least one member of the existing population must benefit (whoever receives that surplus value).

Now, in practice, everyone is consuming welfare to some extent, which has to be subtracted from the surplus value that their labor produces, and many jobs are unproductive, because the employing firm is viable only through government subsidies/protection (in which case the worker is consuming more than he's producing). These factors apply, to some extent, to both native and immigrant workers.

However:

(1) immigrants consume less welfare per capita than natives,
(2) immigrants are more likely to be employed than natives,
and (3) there's no reason to suppose that immigrants are more likely to end up in unproductive jobs than natives*

Conclusion: immigrants are more likely to be productive than natives.

*if anything, I would expect the opposite to be true, since government jobs (the largest single class of unproductive jobs) are dominated by natives

A sound breakdown, but I dispute point #1 due to the diagnosed profile of the new guests. These are typical individuals who fall into the lower strata of the socioeconomic pyramid in terms of health, education and economic mobility. Ergo, you would arrive at the conclusion that we would more dependent than their native counterparts. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I read a research report that gauged the total value of illegal immigration to this country at a paltry 10 billion annually.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/26/5/1258.full

Addressing the health care needs of immigrant populations is challenging both because of the heterogeneity of this group and because recent federal and state policies have restricted IMMIGRANTS ARE OFTEN IDENTIFIED as a “vulnerable population”—that is, a group at increased risk for poor physical, psychological, and social health outcomes and inadequate health care.

Educational attainment, type of occupation, and earnings directly and indirectly influence immigrants’ access to health care resources. Overall, immigrants are less likely than U.S.-born populations to have graduated from high school and are more likely to work in service occupations and live in poverty, although important variations exist. For example, among Asian and African immigrants, the percentage of high school graduates equals the percentage for U.S.-born populations (87 percent), whereas the percentage is much lower (38 percent) among immigrants from Mexico and Central America. The proportion of foreign-born workers in management and professional occupations is highest among those from Asia (47 percent) and lowest among those from Latin America (13 percent), compared to 36 percent for the U.S.-born. Finally, the proportion of Asian immigrants living below the federal poverty level is similar to that for U.S.-born populations (11 percent), whereas the proportion of Latin American immigrants is twice as high (22 percent).8 Within immigrant subgroups, there are also large variations based on country of origin, perhaps greatest among Asian immigrants. For example, educational attainment is much higher among immigrants from India (89 percent high school graduates) than among those from Laos (46 percent).9

 

[r3volution 3.0]

who the hell decided being libertarian meant competing with communist slave labor.

I commend to you the "Introductory Economics" reading materials linked in my sig line.

I've yet to see any Trumpster even define what Trump's immigration policies are, or how they differ from Rand's.

It's all fluff and attitude, zero substance: from either candidate or fanboys.

ummmm you have noticed the backlash trump has received just for bringing up the topic in such a dramatic fashion. I WILL GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE AND SAY TRUMP WANTS THE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS ENFORCED? call me silly. ron unfortunately sounds pro immigration at times.. and rand says secure the border.. great. who is the media attacking most on this issue?

QED

 

[samforpaul]

Rand said, "We want someone who will stand up to the Washington machine."

Well said, Rand. And that is why you have lost credibility cozying up to Mitch McConnell.

 

[BenMuldowney]

I commend to you the "Introductory Economics" reading materials linked in my sig line.



QED

ill pass... because i read the enemies' playbooks and i know that free trade with communist slave labor is a strategy of conquest. feel free to defend your position but dont refer me to some academia that cant even define true communism and still thinks it is an ideology.

 

[timosman]

Rand said, "We want someone who will stand up to the Washington machine."

Well said, Rand. And that is why you have lost credibility cozying up to Mitch McConnell.

Jeb said the exact same thing

 

[r3volution 3.0]

A sound breakdown, but I dispute point #1 due to the diagnosed profile of the new guests. These are typical individuals who fall into the lower strata of the socioeconomic pyramid in terms of health, education and economic mobility. Ergo, you would arrive at the conclusion that we would more dependent than their native counterparts.

According to this study, the average immigrant consumes $2200 in benefits, while the average native consumes $3800. Immigrants are poorer than natives, and so they do consume more of certain programs tailored to the poor, but the vast majority of social spending is directed at the elderly, and immigrants are on average younger than natives.