Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

[AlexAmore]

The courting of their vote is directly tied to how many tangible benefits and advantages the democrats can offer them. Any conservative with any type of integrity cannot embark down that dark road of vote buying via big government initiatives. If that's the solution, just dissemble the republican party.

Yet there are a lot of illegals working. Rand Paul was saying we are vastly short of potential visas we could be giving out to working illegals. A visa is a huge benefit for many, they can now be normalized and come out of hiding. They can now look around for work and get a better paying job. These are all great benefits that many would grab up. This is proven by statistics Rand has gone over.

 

[AuH20]

Yet there are a lot of illegals working. Rand Paul was saying we are vastly short of potential visas we could be giving out to working illegals. A visa is a huge benefit for many, they can now be normalized and come out of hiding. They can now look around for work and get a better paying job. These are all great benefits that many would grab up. This is proven by statistics Rand has gone over.

Working for less than stellar wages with many mouths to feed. Look at the democrats platform. It's tailor made for their short-term needs and I really can't begrudge them for milking as much as they can from the democrats, who are masters at irresponsibly looting the treasury. It's futile to even compete with the duplicitious games they play.

 

[AlexAmore]

Working for less than stellar wages with many mouths to feed. Look at the democrats platform. It's tailor made for their short-term needs and I really can't begrudge them for milking as much as they can from the democrats, who are masters at irresponsibly looting the treasury. It's futile to even compete with the duplicitious games they play.

But I think you can compete. Republicans have been so hard-line on Hispanic issues that Hispanics immediately write them off. Hispanics don't even listen to the rest of the conservative message. The way to win friends and influence people is to do as Rand has been doing everywhere else; start with agreements, get people listening to you, get them to say "yes...yes....yes", and then gently sway them to your side on everything else.

It's much easier to influence and change a friend's mind. A friend knows you're on his side and have his best interests at heart. Rand is making friends with Hispanics.

 

[Brett85]

Liberals have a huge head start in courting their vote. It won't be long until Hispanics are the majority in vast regions and Republicans have simply trashed them and their culture directly and indirectly. Rand Paul is reaching out and that's all he can do at this point. Earlier the better. We're merely playing catch up at this point.

Agreed. Why do people expect Hispanics to have small government political views when a lot of conservatives constantly trash them by calling them "free loaders" and "welfare bums?" If I were a Hispanic I wouldn't vote for a party that constantly trashes me either.

 

[supermario21]

It's hard for Hispanics to support conservative causes when they're more worried about getting deported.

 

[Dianne]

Rand damaged himself today. Dumb speech and I hate to be the one to break the news to Rand, but all polls show what Hispanics favor big activist government..

Agree... he should have kept his dog out of that fight. The fact of the matter is, our unemployment rate is sky high .. Only people getting fat are those that work for the federal government.

The thought of allowing "freeloaders" to access free education, free medical care, free food, etc. while Americans are starving to death is disgusting.

Might I remind you that the GOP and the DNC are the same. Ever since Romney, who was a less than marginal candidate to begin with .... lost ... the hype has been the GOP needs to come to terms with immigration policies.

That is not true.. The reason they lost, which they won't admit... was their treatment of Ron Paul and many of the youth and elderly (like myself), that support him. We had millions who refused to vote for Obama or Romney.

That is the true reason Obama has a second term... not that illegal aliens were pissed. All hype, hype, hype... just to push forth an agenda that was planned 20 years ago.

 

[Dianne]

But I think you can compete. Republicans have been so hard-line on Hispanic issues that Hispanics immediately write them off. Hispanics don't even listen to the rest of the conservative message. The way to win friends and influence people is to do as Rand has been doing everywhere else; start with agreements, get people listening to you, get them to say "yes...yes....yes", and then gently sway them to your side on everything else.

It's much easier to influence and change a friend's mind. A friend knows you're on his side and have his best interests at heart. Rand is making friends with Hispanics.

This subject is amusing ... I see "Illegals" in almost every response. What is Illegal? Doesn't it mean against the law? Why do people like Rand and Rubio, the news networks stand up for Illegal people being in the country ... yet one ounce of pot is illegal. Banksters steal homes... Federal Government steals lives and money from American citizens ... Illegals enter the country and in the large percentage... steal money from American citizens in the form of welfare, food stamps, free medical care, disability, etc.

But boy oh boy....... Anyone find you with an ounce of pot in your back pocket... you are going down...... you are going down !!!!!

I would much prefer to see Rand focusing his energy on the unfairness of purported "LAW" and "FAIRNESS" in this country, then worrying about the safety and protection of "illegals"

 

[AuH20]

It's hard for Hispanics to support conservative causes when they're more worried about getting deported.

And who's fault is that??? How are Americans responsible for the plight of foreign peoples (this applies to the Israel question as well)? Explain to me how conservatives are the villains in all this when they rolled out the red carpet for these people?????

I personally have no problems with Hispanics and many Americans don't, as exhibited by the fact that many millions have been permitted to live here. They are generally hard-working and simply trying to survive. But when they start on the racism card, start demanding X, Y, Z and then vote overwhelming for a political party with no reservations about utilizing the force of the government to the maximum, that's when the niceties cease. Respect is a two way street.

 

[RonPaulMall]

But I think you can compete. Republicans have been so hard-line on Hispanic issues that Hispanics immediately write them off. Hispanics don't even listen to the rest of the conservative message. The way to win friends and influence people is to do as Rand has been doing everywhere else; start with agreements, get people listening to you, get them to say "yes...yes....yes", and then gently sway them to your side on everything else.

I think you are naive. The idea that a low skill, low income, low IQ demographic group is ever going to embrace libertarian ideas is fantasy land. The Democrats know this. That is why they are doing everything they can to flood America with third world immigrants. They are increasing their voting base. Instead of helping the Democrats, maybe the GOP should be, oh, I don't know, pointing out the fact that the Democrats are pursuing an immigration policy against the interests of all existing Americans in order to increase their own political power? The idea that this is all inevitable is silly. We can pursue any kind of immigration policy we choose. It is not "inevitable" that we pick the one that puts a priority on immigrants which have the least to offer. Especially when you consider the fact every other country on the face of the earth does the exact opposite.

 

[Slutter McGee]

Agree... he should have kept his dog out of that fight. The fact of the matter is, our unemployment rate is sky high .. Only people getting fat are those that work for the federal government.

The thought of allowing "freeloaders" to access free education, free medical care, free food, etc. while Americans are starving to death is disgusting.

Might I remind you that the GOP and the DNC are the same. Ever since Romney, who was a less than marginal candidate to begin with .... lost ... the hype has been the GOP needs to come to terms with immigration policies.

That is not true.. The reason they lost, which they won't admit... was their treatment of Ron Paul and many of the youth and elderly (like myself), that support him. We had millions who refused to vote for Obama or Romney.

That is the true reason Obama has a second term... not that illegal aliens were pissed. All hype, hype, hype... just to push forth an agenda that was planned 20 years ago.

I would disagree. Every fight is worth getting in as long as it is planned right. More fights mean more coverage. But I understand your sentiments.

Slutter McGee

 

[AlexAmore]

I think you are naive. The idea that a low skill, low income, low IQ demographic group is ever going to embrace libertarian ideas is fantasy land. The Democrats know this. That is why they are doing everything they can to flood America with third world immigrants. They are increasing their voting base. Instead of helping the Democrats, maybe the GOP should be, oh, I don't know, pointing out the fact that the Democrats are pursuing an immigration policy against the interests of all existing Americans in order to increase their own political power? The idea that this is all inevitable is silly. We can pursue any kind of immigration policy we choose. It is not "inevitable" that we pick the one that puts a priority on immigrants which have the least to offer. Especially when you consider the fact every other country on the face of the earth does the exact opposite.

At the same time I'm not sure we've ever had a libertarian who can speak and frames things at an 8th grade reading level. We have to look long term. These low skill, low income, low iq people (no matter what race) have far more babies than their counterpart. High IQ people might have one baby, we are certainly stagnant at best.

I don't know the best route. We need help with women, and Hispanics. I guess the other strategy is an amazing gotv program for people we know already like us, of course a Democrat will probably have us beat using Obama's infrastructure. So then it comes down to the message to motivate as many people as possible.

 

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

 

[cheapseats]

You're missing the point. Letting the illegals stay here is mistake. Even if they're not given amnesty and just granted legal status.

"Just" granted legal status = AMNESTY.

GOP already did the "one-time" amnesty thing under Reagan, re-MEM-berrrrr?

ONE TIME was a key selling point.

Same with the bailout of Chrysler back in the 70's.

"AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS" parlays into lower wages and higher benefits.

And more "Democratic" votes.

History repeats because PEOPLE REPEAT IT.

 

[cheapseats]

Yet there are a lot of illegals working. Rand Paul was saying we are vastly short of potential visas we could be giving out to working illegals.

OR our unemployment benefit clusterfuck can be mitigated by obliging American Unemployed to FILL THE OPEN JOBS in order to collect such benefits as are necessary to keep noses above water (in view of SUB-SUBSISTENCE WAGES).

MANY TIMES did I hear a Los Angeles bus driver announce THIS BUS ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL YOU PEOPLE BLOCKING THE AISLE MOVE TO THE BACK OF THE BUS.

It is obviously imperative that WORKING + REDUCED BENEFITS does not produce LESS "income" than straight benefits.

A visa is a huge benefit for many, they can now be normalized and come out of hiding. They can now look around for work and get a better paying job. These are all great benefits that many would grab up. This is proven by statistics Rand has gone over.

UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS can follow the same path.

 

[July]

Thanks for posting that! Are there any recordings of the whole entire speech (I wanted to hear Rand speak Spanish)?

I'm pleased Rand has offered a compromise that neither includes massively expanding the police state to round up and deport people (probably unlikely, since I don't think the establishment wants to deport them), nor expanding a mandatory e-verify system or introducing a national ID (this on the other hand, is exactly what I think the establishment would like to implement). I still have questions about what he means by "verify" if not through e-verify/national ID...hopefully he is just using tough sounding language there, because I hope Rand would not vote for any legislation with a national ID in it. Overall, I liked his speech. Admitting we can't round up and deport millions of people is a good step. I like how he frames the discussion in a rational way and shows there is reasonable middle ground, that it doesn't have to be a choice between rounding people up on buses or moving everyone to the front of the welfare line. Those arguments are more often used for purposes of demagoguery to shut down discussion, rather than to have a productive debate.

 

[cheapseats]

...I still have questions about what he means by "verify" if not through e-verify/national ID...hopefully...

"TRUST BUT VERIFTY." Indeed, how TO verify if not by e-verify/national ID . . . that leaves SOCIAL SECURITY numbers, yes? AUDITS & INSPECTIONS. Can you think of any other ways?

HOPEFULLY doesn't cut it anymore. HOPEFULLY is bedrock to Wishful Thinking.

Shall Rand, like Ron before him, be too REMOTE from randpaulforums.com to get horse's mouth clarification, allowing grassroots to go round & round SPECULATING and HOPING and ARGUING?

 

[TokenLibertarianGuy]

Thanks for posting that! Are there any recordings of the whole entire speech (I wanted to hear Rand speak Spanish)?

I've been searching but I haven't found any recordings of the full speech or even clips of him speaking spanish.

 

[AlexAmore]

"TRUST BUT VERIFTY." Indeed, how TO verify if not by e-verify/national ID . . . that leaves SOCIAL SECURITY numbers, yes? AUDITS & INSPECTIONS. Can you think of any other ways?

HOPEFULLY doesn't cut it anymore. HOPEFULLY is bedrock to Wishful Thinking.

Shall Rand, like Ron before him, be too REMOTE from randpaulforums.com to get horse's mouth clarification, allowing grassroots to go round & round SPECULATING and HOPING and ARGUING?

He's talking about the verifying the that the fence is being built. His whole amendment is about the fence.

 

[AlexAmore]

OR our unemployment benefit clusterfuck can be mitigated by obliging American Unemployed to FILL THE OPEN JOBS in order to collect such benefits as are necessary to keep noses above water (in view of SUB-SUBSISTENCE WAGES).

MANY TIMES did I hear a Los Angeles bus driver announce THIS BUS ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL YOU PEOPLE BLOCKING THE AISLE MOVE TO THE BACK OF THE BUS.

It is obviously imperative that WORKING + REDUCED BENEFITS does not produce LESS "income" than straight benefits.




UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS can follow the same path.

You sound exactly like Obama and the liberals that are freaking out about machinery and technology destroying jobs for the lower and middle class. It's complete BS.

 

[cheapseats]

You sound exactly like Obama and the liberals that are freaking out about machinery and technology destroying jobs for the lower and middle class. It's complete BS.

Technological advancements ELIMINATING jobs (efficiency) is a whole different ballgame than Illegal Immigrants FILLING AVAILABLE JOBS.

It is a whole different LEAGUE than Illegal Immigrants filling available jobs while RECORD NUMBERS OF AMERICAN UNEMPLOYED collect "unemployment benefits" (taxpayer dough).