Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

[erowe1]

And you're fine with that?

 

[AuH20]

Not sure exactly what that means. The least of evils right now is a divided government. But I think that the GOP establishment is every bit as "Lunatic" as the Democrats. Granted, most Tea Party types, even if not pure libertarians, are at least better. But the GOP Establishment is just as dangerous as the Dems, if not more so.

Two party oligarchy is better than one for the time being.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yes, but the GOP is not "Lesser" anything. They're both just pure evil.

 

[eating_nachos]

And you're fine with that?

Ok, so what's your solution?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

erowe1: 1. Eating_Nachos: 0

The last thing we need is ANOTHER unique identification number. I would argue MOST of us here don't even believe in the intrusiveness of the Social Security Number.

Not to mention, Rand mentioned nothing of amnesty or letting illegals cut to the front of the line. Rather, he's letting them come forward without penalty, giving them an option to continue working (and paying taxes) while they earn their citizenship.

 

[erowe1]

Ok, so what's your solution?

There is no way to deport the illegal immigrants who are here or to force them to self-deport that doesn't involve some gross violation of the liberties not only of them, but also of the rest of us. We have to let them stay.

 

[eating_nachos]

erowe1: 1. Eating_Nachos: 0

The last thing we need is ANOTHER unique identification number. I would argue MOST of us here don't even believe in the intrusiveness of the Social Security Number.

Not to mention, Rand mentioned nothing of amnesty or letting illegals cut to the front of the line. Rather, he's letting them come forward without penalty, giving them an option to continue working (and paying taxes) while they earn their citizenship.

E-Verify doesn't create a unique identifier.


Thanks for playing.

 

[Brett85]

What part of the Constitution gives the federal government the authority to mandate a program like E-Verify on every single business in the United States? I'm open to the idea of having a mandatory E-Verify program at the state level, but I don't see how the federal government has the authority to implement something like that.

 

[eating_nachos]

Who said anything about implementing it at the federal level?

 

[erowe1]

E-Verify doesn't create a unique identifier.

But it does require that we all have unique identifiers using forms of ID that already exist.

 

[eating_nachos]

You never answered my question. What's your solution?

 

[Brett85]

Who said anything about implementing it at the federal level?

That's what the Gang of Eight is trying to do. That's what's being proposed, to implement it at the federal level.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Hispanics, race obsessed leftists, those who want cheap labor and corporatists?

Mission accomplished. Just saw a segment on Fox's "The Five" about this. The global corporatists, human pyramid schemers, and cheap labor aficionados were very happy about it and applauded Rand's effort and principal. Of course they also pointed out that it's a shame that Rand will lose all of his "new" supporters over this.

 

[itshappening]

Brian's right. ABC News have picked this up which means they might do a report on it later. That's unusual. The corporatists approve.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS...way-undocumented-immigrants/story?id=18764277

 

[Carlybee]

It's already a requirement that all employers verify your eligibility to work in the US.

It's called an I-9 form but it just stays on file and is only as good as the documents presented. If the documents are bogus there's no way of knowing without either eVerify or if the SSA catches an anomaly when the W-2s are filed.

 

[eating_nachos]

Mission accomplished. Just saw a segment on Fox's "The Five" about this. The global corporatists, human pyramid schemers, and cheap labor aficionados were very happy about it and applauded Rand's effort and principal. Of course they also pointed out that it's a shame that Rand will lose all of his "new" supporters over this.

Yep, the donors have won again.

 

[erowe1]

You never answered my question. What's your solution?

Yes I did. I said we have to let them stay.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What if you are here legally? Should you have to prove that to someone before you're allowed to work here?

For many positions, people are required to show multiple forms of ID, be subjected to drug tests, physical examinations, blood tests, and full fingerprinting.

One time, I needed a notarized note from my mother saying that I was born in the US, where, the hospital, and on what date. That is not exaggeration or hyperbole. A literal "note from my mother". IIRC, I also needed a note from the hospital. Maybe it was a certification of live birth. More scrutiny than the POTUS.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Brian's right. ABC News have picked this up which means they might do a report on it later. That's unusual. The corporatists approve.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS...way-undocumented-immigrants/story?id=18764277

But some conservatives like former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have suggested that the undocumented be allowed to stay in the United States and not be able to become citizens unless they first return to their home country.

Translation: Jeb Bush is tougher on immigration than Rand Paul.

 

[supermario21]

Translation: Jeb Bush is tougher on immigration than Rand Paul.

It's kind of stupid though. Rand is tough where it matters and accepting where it doesn't. Why force people to go back if they're going to come back anyway, and give them an increased economic burden making it more likely they need government assistance? Rand wants to do the opposite, toughen the border and make sure there are stringent security and immigration requirements, and not force people currently here to leave, then come back. They would just apply and be sent to the back. By lessening the economic burden, not only will Rand allow them to eventually gain citizenship, but also not hurt them any more economically.